Starting to think we need to make a move or do something about our DE situation if we want a chance of repeating

[BonifayRam]

So Bonifay’d,my question to you is how many of these players will The Rams keep number wise at the OLB position?
The other question for all those that wanted to bag(still?) on Raheem Morris. What about the injury there in 2021,a long with the depth.

IMO the number is going to be low as far as rotations. I think the FSU udrfa, , plus DH who was a 7th pick will make the team because of special teams & easy to rotate to the practice squad if needed & develop.

The talent & depth is there,but I’ll never doubt a player fighting for a roster spot.

Hollins will be like that D. Fowler on the ROLB spot.He is a staple & going hard against Joesph Noteboom.
Right now CG48 is LOLB. Basically Floyd’s spot,but Leonard Floyd IMO will have a career season & be hard to get off the field.He will be a 3-down player, at least to what Raheem Morris feels fit.
Thad might be the guy who helps with there sets? The coaching staff stays in tune.

Making that guess this early is simply useless.

DC now has a legit all-pro superior 43D MLB'er available to him. DC has many more years of experience with a 43D than 34 D. Overall talent inside looks very strong with Lb'ers like BJ, EJ, TH, & CR.

Travin Howard has played the WSOLB post in college too. Then there's Taylor Rapp who is a much better hybrid ILB'er than Safety. So the talent pool inside is simply better than outside.

Many of the newly sighed OLB'er were 43 DE's hands in the turf in college. The better depth leans heavier towards 43D than the actual real 34D tweeners. In addition, DC Morris is fat with talented DT's.

The bottom line is there are very few speed pass rushers under contract @ this moment. IMO DC will need to scheme up the pass pressure utilizing from all units to be successful in this upcoming season.

 

[Allen2McVay]

And how does it benefit Stafford or the offensive line to lose both Whitworth and Havenstein in the same offseason.

It doesn't.

 

[dang]

I greatly enjoy reading your opinions, Oldnotdead. I really do.

But your obsession with trading away Hav just makes no sense. Rams are not gonna offload a top producing vet on a bargain contract in a SB window year. Fuhgedaboutit!

They’re always looking to ACQUIRE such players, man.

Snead will have to find his cap relief elsewhere if he even still wants an edge vet anymore. I’m wondering if he is even still trying hard to bring one in. Maybe a blockbuster move like Quinn would interest him?

Snead might just prefer to wait and see what he’s already got and pounce at trade deadline if he doesn’t like what he sees with his current crew.

I agree and I’ll take a chance and ask.

oldnotDead - What exactly is your obsession with cutting or trading Havenstein. It’s become quite irritating and troubling that most every one of your take repeats your very strong opinion on this. It ain’t going to happen but if it does I will be the first to eat crow and express my disgust with such a move.

 

[Allen2McVay]

I agree and I’ll take a chance and ask.

oldnotDead - What exactly is your obsession with cutting or trading Havenstein. It’s become quite irritating and troubling that most every one of your take repeats your very strong opinion on this. It ain’t going to happen but if it does I will be the first to eat crow and express my disgust with such a move.

Don't be too fast to 'eat crow' if it does happen (unlikely).

He's been recommending and predicting Havenstein's exit since prior to the 2020 season.

 

[So Ram]

Making that guess this early is simply useless.

DC now has a legit all-pro superior 43D MLB'er available to him. DC has many more years of experience with a 43D than 34 D. Overall talent inside looks very strong with Lb'ers like BJ, EJ, TH, & CR.

Travin Howard has played the WSOLB post in college too. Then there's Taylor Rapp who is a much better hybrid ILB'er than Safety. So the talent pool inside is simply better than outside.

Many of the newly sighed OLB'er were 43 DE's hands in the turf in college. The better depth leans heavier towards 43D than the actual real 34D tweeners. In addition, DC Morris is fat with talented DT's.

The bottom line is there are very few speed pass rushers under contract @ this moment. IMO DC will need to scheme up the pass pressure utilizing from all units to be successful in this upcoming season.

well Bonifay’d say as you want? Your right I makes useless statements.They don’t mean anything.Well sort of not true though,they do to me in my own crazy Rams head.
—-I’ve been a Sports Fan for awhile.I meant some Ex(baseball)Scout the other day.I get into teams the right way. Anyway should save it for my own post.

 

[RamDino]

And how does it benefit Stafford or the offensive line to lose both Whitworth and Havenstein in the same offseason.

And Austin Corbett!

 

[fearsomefour]

Hollins is a solid player.
My only issue with him is when he first arrived with the Rams he would consistently give up the edge. This led to large runs. Miller added a lot to the pass rush obviously but was very good against the run as well. Hollins did improve with that as he went along. It will be interesting to see what is done opposite of Floyd.
Hollins makes the most sense.
Does Jones move to the outside?
The Rams have one of the young guys in Lewis or Garrett ready to go?
Is it going to be committee?
Will that 4th LB spot be manned by S as we have seen in years past?
It may vary week to week depending on the opponent.

 

[BonifayRam]

well Bonifay’d say as you want? Your right I makes useless statements.They don’t mean anything.Well sort of not true though,they do to me in my own crazy Rams head.
—-I’ve been a Sports Fan for awhile.I meant some Ex(baseball)Scout the other day.I get into teams the right way. Anyway should save it for my own post.

No, I am not smart enough to be able to answer your question, thus useless to burn off my one working brain cell.

Your question & statement was just fine , it's my old brain that is growing mostly useless.

 

[BonifayRam]

Hollins is a solid player.
My only issue with him is when he first arrived with the Rams he would consistently give up the edge. This led to large runs. Miller added a lot to the pass rush obviously but was very good against the run as well. Hollins did improve with that as he went along. It will be interesting to see what is done opposite of Floyd.
Hollins makes the most sense.
Does Jones move to the outside?
The Rams have one of the young guys in Lewis or Garrett ready to go?
Is it going to be committee?
Will that 4th LB spot be manned by S as we have seen in years past?
It may vary week to week depending on the opponent.

Certainly would not surprise me to see the Rams lineup 4 DL'ers (Robinson-Gaines-Donald-Floyd) & run 3 LB'ers out there in the base.

Bobby Wagner wearing the GREEN dot in the middle surrounded on the outside by fast mobile LB'ers (Ernest Jones & Travin Howard). DC Morris is fat with talented ILB'ers & DT's. He has a good amount of 43 type DE's lurking on his roster too.

Reference Justin Hollins my opinion is he is an excellent top reserve 34 OLB'er & has the size 6-5/250 & power to back up as DE in a 4-player DL. OLB Terrell Lewis weighs more than DT Aaron Donald & his weight is still listed the same as it was 3 yrs ago. I would bet big, Lewis is much stronger bigger & heavier now going into his 3rd NFL Training Camp on that massive long over 6-5 frame.

Lewis might really surprise if given the primary focus posting up @ DE on a four-man DL next to Aaron Donald. Lewis is far better rushing the passer than playing out in space on that right side going backwards or moving laterally.

Don't get me wrong here I prefer the 2020 34 Stanley defense myself but at this point, I do not see the right combo of Ram defenders to run that type of defense & be overly effective. You play with the cards your dealt!

 

[den-the-coach]

Hollins makes the most sense.
Does Jones move to the outside?
The Rams have one of the young guys in Lewis or Garrett ready to go?
Is it going to be committee?
Will that 4th LB spot be manned by S as we have seen in years past?
It may vary week to week depending on the opponent.

IMO, they will start with a combination of Hollins & Lewis as they were doing okay for the first several games until the acquisition of Miller. Both were hurt, so if Hollins can stay healthy I believe he can play most of the downs with Lewis coming in on the obvious passing downs.

The wildcard is Chris Garrett as if Lewis again struggles with health, Garrett will be called upon to rise to the occasion and I believe he has the goods. Also as @BonifayRam so eloquently communicates the defensive end position could evolve with the likes of Jonah Williams & Ernest Brown do they get more involved? Obviously if the front office believes there is a need, they will make a move, that has been established.

We also have to factor in a different position coach for the outside linebackers. Thad Bogardus has never coached a position in title, he's been with the Rams since McVay's Inaugural staff back in 2017 and has held the title of "Defensive Assistant & Defensive quality control coach before being Assistant Linebacker Coach last year." Now he teams with new Inside Linebacker Coach Chris Beake which does concern me a bit as Bogardus has never played including in college, he's obviously very smart and respected, but this was on move on the coaching staff that had my eyebrows raised a bit.

 

[Kupped]

Hollins is a solid player.
My only issue with him is when he first arrived with the Rams he would consistently give up the edge. This led to large runs. Miller added a lot to the pass rush obviously but was very good against the run as well. Hollins did improve with that as he went along. It will be interesting to see what is done opposite of Floyd.
Hollins makes the most sense.
Does Jones move to the outside?
The Rams have one of the young guys in Lewis or Garrett ready to go?
Is it going to be committee?
Will that 4th LB spot be manned by S as we have seen in years past?
It may vary week to week depending on the opponent.

If Hollins and Lewis can stay healthy, I think they'll have a functional rotation at that spot and be okay, with all the other additions.
But, the Lewis question of health is a big one.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I think I’d love to have The Mighty Quinn back and it makes sense. However he does better on a 4-3 as a true DE not how we changed ourselves up his final year with us.


That said, he was in a 3/4 last year so think maybe he’s crossed over with experience to work in any system?

I’d bet he’d be better than Hollins/Lewis.

Ps @El Chapo Jr It’s an option on your chat menu when your typing. I can’t remember which one now it’s been so long.

I used to be able to type, highlight the font and change it to blue before. For some reason now, whenever I hit those 3 dots that are next to the italic font symbol, my options to change/modify the fonts are greyed out do ya got me

 

[Corbin]

@CGI_Ram what is the solution to this? I know it's posted somewhere but didn't find in the search.

 

[CGI_Ram]

I used to be able to type, highlight the font and change it to blue before. For some reason now, whenever I hit those 3 dots that are next to the italic font symbol, my options to change/modify the fonts are greyed out do ya got me

@CGI_Ram what is the solution to this? I know it's posted somewhere but didn't find in the search.

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[Merlin]

And Austin Corbett!

I wasn't too concerned with losing Corbs prior to FA and I'm still not. His pass pro was good and he and Hav really worked well together on the stunts and shit down the stretch run, but his run blocking wasn't all that. He's not a Saffold level loss at OG in other words.

Also I think the Rams wanted to improve in the run game. They got stoned on the ground vs Cincy and limped to that win just about. So where do they improve? Well RG would be one of the spots and they identified Bruss for that role.

Bruss is really physical in the run game, so there's a chance we'll end up better there at RG by the time the playoffs roll around. I think the biggest deal is going to be learning the stunts and twists in the pass game, defensively they're going to face a lot of great fronts starting with week one. But as it pertains to Corbs specifically I am not concerned at all and I am quite happy with Bruss.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

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Was supposed to say so ya got me instead of do.....I just reread it lol

 

[RamDino]

I wasn't too concerned with losing Corbs prior to FA and I'm still not.

I agree Merlin. That "losing Austin Corbett" take was in response to oldnotdead's take on trading Havenstein. Someone mentioned losing both of their starting O-tackles and how that would help the offense, and I mentioned losing Austin Corbett as well. That would mean the Rams basically turning over 3/5's of their line. And that is never a good thing (unless it's from the Fisher era). Big Rob stays!

 

[FrantikRam]

Do you honestly think Von's play is up for debate here. His ass was coasting hard prior to joining this staff and none of his 2021 Denver film really shows who he was with us, which was a force of nature off that edge in both phases. He changed this defense during that run.

So nobody we have on the roster is going to equal him. Period. Knowing that, what Les and Sean have tried to do is capitalize on Wagner being available by boosting the run defense and reloading the secondary.

The run defense should be excellent. Thus the pass defense is going to determine our season. If this secondary can improve, then they might be able to overall still field a good defense. But those dudes are going to have to cover this year.

I guess I do.

He stepped up in the playoffs. But our pass rush was really no better in the regular season with Von than it was without him.

I think he's probably an 8 sack guy now for the regular season without AD - he just won't have the juice to play hard for 17 games. Phenomenal for the playoffs though if he's healthy.

That's why I think Wagner over him in the regular season makes us a better defense. We got some diminishing returns with him, Floyd and AD in the regular season - but with Wagner, we have a great player at each level now.

 

[Merlin]

I can't argue with any of that Frantik and hope that's how things turn out. We can argue the in-season effect of Von but you are right his best was in the playoffs.

 

[RamDino]

I think the Rams were ready to offer Von Miller 15 - 17 mil per year but for less years than the Bills. McSnead definitely thought he was worth a lot to the defense.