Odell Beckham available for trade?

[jrry32]

Yeah, I honestly don’t quite understand those who DON’T want OBJ.

Snead and McVay clearly think he would be an immensely valuable addition.

Gonzalez writes that McVay thinks that Sammy was a huge loss... sure sounds like McVay thinks a deep threat to stretch the field is invaluable.

I’m amused by descriptions of OBJ: “crap bag... dork... bitch of all bitches.”

My response is, who cares? I don’t care if OBJ is a whiny prima donna, as long as he’s a fiery competitor who has a legit chance to push the Rams to the next level.

Deion Sanders? Unbearable. Michael Irvin? Please, shut up. Eric Dickerson? Selfish. Randy Moss? Same. Terrell Owens? Ugh.

But I would take every single one of these elite-athlete-douchebags in their prime if it meant my team had a greater chance to win a Super Bowl.

Personally, I think OBJ is an immature attention seeker. But on the field, I think he could help the Rams retain their status as the #1 Offense.

Lastly: if we didn’t have a prodigy as a head coach, and a strong core already in place, I’d be concerned. But I think McVay (and Whitworth and Woods and Kupp and gurley and other vets) will make sure OBJ stays in line.

The Rams are THISCLOSE to being a team with a real, legit chance to win the whole damn thing. I think OBJ could be the last piece, and I for one hope he joins us.

If that's how McVay feels, I understand the move. I just wish we could save the money and draft a guy to fill that slot.

 

[StealYoGurley]

But you're advocating for adding a high priced player who missed 12 games last year...

Injuries happen its part of the game. Aaron Rodgers missed 9 games last year doesnt make him any less valuble. He will still become the highest paid player in the near future.

Apples and oranges comparison. We only had two 2nd year TE's on the roster in McVay's first year of course we were adding a TE considering how much he ran 2 TE sets in Washington. That pick was obvious. We had last year 2 very productive WR's and 4 young guys backing up those 2 and Watkins. We've lost 1 guy who was our 4th leading WR. We're talking about replacing one guy in a group of 7 who was our deep threat that caught fewer passes over 20 yards than Robert Woods, Cooper Kupp and Todd Gurley.

Everett pick obvious? Im not trying to toot my own horn, but I don't know many people who had Everett as the pick on the forum or in the draftnick community besides me. More people than not were clearly against drafting a TE early. I remember because I fought them all offseason.

Like I said before people are underestimating the value and role Sammy played, but McVay through his offseason comments clearly doesn't. Schefter reported on his podcast the rams were close to the Chiefs offer. They clearly valued him and the role he played despite the lack of counting stats. There were many instances where Goff missed Sammy Deep or Sammy stooped running or ran the wrong route.

With all that said, OBJ is a more complete WR than Sammy. There aren't many receivers who can win on all 3 levels as consistently as OBJ does. If there's a chance to get OBJ Pharoh Cooper, Josh Reynolds, Mike Thomas, and dont get me started on Tavon arent stopping me from adding that major upgrade. OBJ is on a hall of fame trajectory. Those talents don't easily become available. Not even giving our current group a second thought if we can get a talent like that for a price that could never be fair for the giants.

 

[OregonRamsFan]

No matter what happens with OBJ, I am plenty excited about our future with our present coaches and players. We should have a stifling D, an improving offense that was ranked number 1 last year, and our special teams may be the best in the league as well. We are are a long way off from Fisher ball. It’s winning time folks!

 

[OldSchool]

Injuries happen its part of the game. Aaron Rodgers missed 9 games last year doesnt make him any less valuble. He will still become the highest paid player in the near future.



Everett pick obvious? Im not trying to toot my own horn, but I don't know many people who had Everett as the pick on the forum or in the draftnick community besides me. More people than not were clearly against drafting a TE early. I remember because I fought them all offseason.

Like I said before people are underestimating the value and role Sammy played, but McVay through his offseason comments clearly doesn't. Schefter reported on his podcast the rams were close to the Chiefs offer. They clearly valued him and the role he played despite the lack of counting stats. There were many instances where Goff missed Sammy Deep or Sammy stooped running or ran the wrong route.

With all that said, OBJ is a more complete WR than Sammy. There aren't many receivers who can win on all 3 levels as consistently as OBJ does. If there's a chance to get OBJ Pharoh Cooper, Josh Reynolds, Mike Thomas, and dont get me started on Tavon arent stopping me from adding that major upgrade. OBJ is on a hall of fame trajectory. Those talents don't easily become available. Not even giving our current group a second thought if we can get a talent like that for a price that could never be fair for the giants.

Not the Everett pick the adding a TE was obvious.

 

[jap]

Actually, I think Sammy was 4th behind Kupp, Woods and Gurley. Iirc...

The Gurley Man led the Horns in receptions last season (64 for 788 yards, 6 TDs), followed by Cooper Kupp (62 for 869, 5), then Robert Woods (56 for 781, 5), then Sammy (39 for 593, 8).

 

[jap]

If the Rams sign this Ahole, it won't be one or two games and he'll be bitching and moaning about not getting enough targets. No thanks

I'm not crazy about OBJ either, but you do not know that. Sammy came around . . . somewhat. We've got playmakers who can make defenders pay dearly for trying to strangle OBJ with coverage (Robert, Cooper, Todd, Tavon, etc.).

 

[Corbin]

Yeah, I honestly don’t quite understand those who DON’T want OBJ.

Snead and McVay clearly think he would be an immensely valuable addition.

Gonzalez writes that McVay thinks that Sammy was a huge loss... sure sounds like McVay thinks a deep threat to stretch the field is invaluable.

I’m amused by descriptions of OBJ: “crap bag... dork... bitch of all bitches.”

My response is, who cares? I don’t care if OBJ is a whiny prima donna, as long as he’s a fiery competitor who has a legit chance to push the Rams to the next level.

Deion Sanders? Unbearable. Michael Irvin? Please, shut up. Eric Dickerson? Selfish. Randy Moss? Same. Terrell Owens? Ugh.

But I would take every single one of these elite-athlete-douchebags in their prime if it meant my team had a greater chance to win a Super Bowl.

Personally, I think OBJ is an immature attention seeker. But on the field, I think he could help the Rams retain their status as the #1 Offense.

Lastly: if we didn’t have a prodigy as a head coach, and a strong core already in place, I’d be more concerned. But I think McVay (and Whitworth and Woods and Kupp and gurley and other vets) will make sure OBJ stays in line.

The Rams are THISCLOSE to being a team with a real, legit chance to win the whole damn thing. I think OBJ could be the last piece, and I for one hope he joins us.

Clearly they don’t think he’s that valuable or he would already be a Ram.

We merely inquired like a lot of others teams did. Why wouldn’t you? I’m not going to waste my time with the rest because this is not happening and I’ll bet ROD dollars on it versus anybody who thinks it will before the draft.

 

[XXXIVwin]

NY Daily News thinks Rams are leading contenders for OBJ. FWIW.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...ontender-land-odell-beckham-article-1.3901524

 

[Akrasian]

Yeah, I honestly don’t quite understand those who DON’T want OBJ.

Well, first there is the douchebag (your word) aspects of him. Some fans don't want to root for somebody like that. I think it can be overblown, but that is seemingly a part of it.

Secondly, there is the drug video. How anybody could not admit that there is a greater than usual chance of him getting suspended at some point in the future, mystifies me. That increases the risk of trading significant value for him, and then signing him to a big extension.

Third, there is the fact that he has made it clear that he wants a record setting extension. Certainly the most ever given to a WR, but likely he is demanding at least the biggest non-QB contract, and may hold out for the biggest ever including QB. He's a great player, but the Rams have the reigning defensive and offensive players of the year to sign over the next season or two, plus a young QB who is likely to deserve to be paid among the highest of QBs. Plus a top young CB, and various other good players. The salary cap is designed so that teams can't pay that many stars at the top of the scale and have any sort of depth. Add in that trading a first and likely a mid-round pick for him makes it tougher to have inexpensive depth in the pipeline.

Fourth, while he has missed major portions of two training camps due to injury, and is likely to miss some or all of the upcoming training camp too - making it 3 out of 5. Not a huge concern, perhaps, but certainly something that should be of some concern at least, for a player who will take several picks and be very expensive in terms of cap.

The Rams are THISCLOSE to being a team with a real, legit chance to win the whole damn thing. I think OBJ could be the last piece, and I for one hope he joins us.

Well, with what is likely to be a dominating defense, and even without OBJ likely to have a good or better offense, most would say the Rams already have a real, legit chance to win the whole damn thing. Add in what the Rams could do with the money to sign some more depth, and a first round pick to fill in a defensive hole, or a WR, or a TE, and I have a hard time thinking that any team should be favored over them. The less depth they have, though, the more likely something going wrong is. Paying OBJ even the money he is already owed for 2018 would make it impossible to sign any good deals on free agents who suddenly become available, and not having a first means that the Rams are unlikely to find much in the draft really ready to help in 2018.

 

[XXXIVwin]

Well, first there is the douchebag (your word) aspects of him. Some fans don't want to root for somebody like that. I think it can be overblown, but that is seemingly a part of it.

Secondly, there is the drug video. How anybody could not admit that there is a greater than usual chance of him getting suspended at some point in the future, mystifies me. That increases the risk of trading significant value for him, and then signing him to a big extension.

Third, there is the fact that he has made it clear that he wants a record setting extension. Certainly the most ever given to a WR, but likely he is demanding at least the biggest non-QB contract, and may hold out for the biggest ever including QB. He's a great player, but the Rams have the reigning defensive and offensive players of the year to sign over the next season or two, plus a young QB who is likely to deserve to be paid among the highest of QBs. Plus a top young CB, and various other good players. The salary cap is designed so that teams can't pay that many stars at the top of the scale and have any sort of depth. Add in that trading a first and likely a mid-round pick for him makes it tougher to have inexpensive depth in the pipeline.

Fourth, while he has missed major portions of two training camps due to injury, and is likely to miss some or all of the upcoming training camp too - making it 3 out of 5. Not a huge concern, perhaps, but certainly something that should be of some concern at least, for a player who will take several picks and be very expensive in terms of cap.



Well, with what is likely to be a dominating defense, and even without OBJ likely to have a good or better offense, most would say the Rams already have a real, legit chance to win the whole damn thing. Add in what the Rams could do with the money to sign some more depth, and a first round pick to fill in a defensive hole, or a WR, or a TE, and I have a hard time thinking that any team should be favored over them. The less depth they have, though, the more likely something going wrong is. Paying OBJ even the money he is already owed for 2018 would make it impossible to sign any good deals on free agents who suddenly become available, and not having a first means that the Rams are unlikely to find much in the draft really ready to help in 2018.

Appreciate the well thought-out response.

Like all choices, there’s a balance of risks and rewards, and you describe the risks and downsides quite well IMO.

Only quibbles:

As I understand it, OBJ wouldn’t be a holdout risk because he’d essentially need to agree to a new contract in principle for the trade to be consummated.

Also, knowing Trader Les, I could easily see this being only a 1 or 2 or (at most) a 3 year deal. I kinda doubt the Rams would commit to more than that.

Also, Rams would inevitably get back a 3rd rounder as comp pick if/when OBJ walks. Snead seems to be deliberately gaming the system this way, I think it’s brilliant. We will likely get 3rd rd comps for TruJo and Watkins next year. Later, assuming he doesn’t re-sign, we could get a 3rd comp for Suh, too. Point being, I think Rams can go to “win now” mode because they have some extra draft capital in the near future.

Lastly, including TA in the deal, or cutting Barron or Webster, might allow for OBJ to come on board and not kill the cap. They can find a way to make it work.

Bottom line: if McVay thinks he’s worth the risk, then I do too.

But yeah, there are plenty enough downsides that I’d accept it if Rams get outbid for OBJ. But we’ll see. And yeah, of course, I also think Rams are SB contenders right now.

 

[tempests]

My response is, who cares? I don’t care if OBJ is a whiny prima donna, as long as he’s a fiery competitor who has a legit chance to push the Rams to the next level.

Deion Sanders? Unbearable. Michael Irvin? Please, shut up. Eric Dickerson? Selfish. Randy Moss? Same. Terrell Owens? Ugh.

But I would take every single one of these elite-athlete-douchebags in their prime if it meant my team had a greater chance to win a Super Bowl.

Given your handle and the two guys in your avatar I'd think you'd appreciate the other type of personality more. 1999 Rams weren't like that. Bunch of blue collar, lunch pail types who were completely united as a team and believed in themselves even as the rest of the world doubted them right through the Super Bowl.

London Fletcher was our fiery competitor, but he wasn't a whiny prima donna. Torry Holt was our most demonstrative WR, but his TD celebration didn't involve lifting his leg and urinating on the goal post. He organized a group celebration because when he scored, or when anyone scored, it wasn't about them. The Bob N Weave was a celebration of teamwork. Isaac Bruce didn't go on a boat trip the week before a playoff game and then drop as many passes as he caught when he came back.

For a coach trying to instill a new culture where the team is greater than the individual, I don't see where Beckham fits in. I can do without those "elite athlete douchebag" types because, well, it's more fun to win without them.

 

[PARAM]

I don't see them losing Gurley (or anybody) by signing OBJ. Pay OBJ up front and get rid of him after a couple of seasons. No problem.

 

[LuvMeThemRams]

Let's pull a Tonya Harding on him, then no one gets him.

 

[CGI_Ram]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-and-the-giants-now-appears-to-be-inevitable/

A showdown between Odell Beckham and the Giants now appears to be inevitable

The New York Giants are in a bind.

A confluence of events has created a climate around their ongoing contractual saga with Odell Beckham that very well could be pointing to a late-summer showdown between the incredibly-talented-but-sometimes-maligned receiver and the only NFL franchise he has ever known. An awkward mix of factors continues to feed an undercurrent of foreboding between these sides, and nothing that has occurred in this brief but hectic offseason has altered the landscape for the better.

Market forces are working against the Giants, with marginal wide receivers receiving $10M a year on new contracts in a wild tempest of free-agent signings, with a dink-and-dunk slot receiver getting traded on a $16M-plus franchise tag and with Sammy Watkins – arguably not even the best receiver on most of the pedestrian Bills and Rams teams he has played on – re-setting the market with an outlandish $34M guaranteed over the next two years in Kansas City. Oh yeah, OBJ noticed all of that, further fueling the argument that he should be worth $20M a year at least on a short-term deal if Watkins is worth $34M. And don't forget about Kirk Cousins becoming the first player in league history to receive a three-year, fully-guaranteed contract, a benchmark that players beyond quarterbacks will be seeking to attain.

Add in the fact that the Giants are caught somewhere between contending (or pretending to be contending) and rebuilding, with a new head coach and general manager but the same ol' Eli Manning under center, along with the newly-crowned Super Bowl champs also now in their division, and decisions about how to handle Beckham get even murkier. And then, not that this negotiating dance needed any more hurdles or potential pitfalls, the emergence of a video of Beckham and a model and various potentially controlled substances only codified the uncomfortable stance between the superstar and his employers.

Which brings us to the comments from owner John Mara over the weekend about no players being untouchable but Beckham not being actively shopped to other teams, hinting at an ambiguous transactional purgatory that will do nothing to pacify a restless fanbase that is trying to determine whether to start cutting the emotional cord with a player who has both confounded them with his athletic prowess and stupefied them with some of his antics and outbursts.

Welcome back to New York, Dave Gettleman, and, yes, Pat Shurmur, you ain't in Minneapolis anymore!

So, what happens next?

Well, as the Dolphins' trade of Beckham's longtime buddy Jarvis Landry to Cleveland for just a fourth-round pick reaffirmed, landing top value for a player who will demand a record contract from his new employer is rarely easy. Beckham is a far more dominant and explosive player than Landry, to be certain – it's not even close – but the reality of taking on someone in the middle of Beckham's situation with the release of that video, and paying him perhaps $60M over the next three years, and then also parting with a high first-round pick to do so, may be far more than the Giants could realistically hope for. Teams can smell their vulnerability, they fully realize the extent of the plight gripping this organization and its new regime, and good luck getting close to Beckham's on-field value in trade.

As to that on-field worth, you can make the case that Beckham is the best receiver in the game and that his first four NFL seasons are as impactful as most of the legends who have come before him. Since Beckham entered the NFL in 2014, only Antonio Brown has been targeted more per game (11.3-10.6), or caught more passes per game ( 7.7-6.7), and only Brown (104.1) and Julio Jones (103.6) average more yards per game than Beckham's 94.1. Yet where Beckham truly excels is the one aspect that should get you paid above and beyond any other metric – he hits pay dirt at a ridiculous pace. Despite missing almost all of 2017 to injury, Beckham's 38 receiving touchdowns since 2014 (in 47 total games) are second only to Brown's 44 (in 61 games). The Giants are 5-12 in the 17 games Beckham has missed due to injury or suspension (his one-game penalty for brawling with Josh Norman in 2015).

Which brings us to the other mitigating factors. Beckham's attitude – whether it be the dog-on-a-fire-hydrant celebration or the sideline flare-ups or the sparring with opposing defensive backs or his offseason pursuits – has rubbed people the wrong way at times and created headaches for the Giants. Of course, I'd point out that's not exactly an anomaly for a dominant receiver and to this point his only suspension came from an incident with Norman which frankly both sets of head coaches and myriad assistants on the sidelines allowed to escalate far too long. Whether this incident on the video tape results in NFL discipline is the obvious elephant in the room, but Beckham hardly carries the kind of rap sheets (DUIs, weapons-related charges, domestic violence arrests) that didn't preclude far lesser players from still earning copious NFL paychecks.

If you don't believe there is a team out there that would pay Beckham $40M, guaranteed, for two seasons of work given the explosion in the receiver market, you are being naïve. Two teams have already moved on from Watkins – selected 10 picks ahead of Beckham via a perverse trade from former Bills general manager Doug Whaley – Watkins's foot malady has consistently kept him from remaining fully healthy and he's been flashy but largely just functional since entering the league. He ranks 50th in receptions per game (3.7), 39th in targets per game (6.7), 29th in yards per game (58.7) and 17th in receiving touchdowns (25 in 52 games) in that same span as Beckham.

Beckham should be shipping a crate of Hawaiian shirts to Andy Reid in Kansas City right now.

But given all of the baggage for Beckham in New York, would the Giants be willing to be the team to pay that price to keep him? Mara is certainly hedging his bets, but the problem is, the Chiefs already gave all that money to Watkins and Landry already landed in Cleveland and Oakland gave $15M for two years to a 33-year old Jordy Nelson and the Jaguars already conspired to guarantee $28M over the next two years to Donte Moncrief and Marqise Lee (gulp!). And the teams that have continued to sniff around remaining free-agent pass catchers, like Baltimore and Seattle, are looking for bargains now. Owners set their budgets before March and general managers generally blow them out in the first week of the market and then prices go down.

Beckham would be an exception, but if teams don't think he's long for New York anyway, they'll be willing to wait. Trading him now is hardly impossible, but it would've been a heck of a lot easier before the flurry of over a dozen trades that already were agreed to before the market even officially opened. And the prospects may not get better until or unless he is in the clear from the league office regarding the video tape.

This much is clear – despite his personality conflicts – Beckham is one of the faces of the NFL, he enjoyed no shortage of marketing and commercial campaigns and industry execs suggested he could be pulling down $10M per year in that area alone. Now, of course that money goes away if he isn't playing football, but Beckham is fortified for a holdout if need be. Make no mistake.

The odds of him playing out this year on the fifth-year option figure of $8.5M are bleak. Or, I should say, the odds of him reporting for work in Week 1 are beyond slim under that scenario. That's $1.1M less than Moncrief is guaranteed for this season (not including the millions more Moncrief can earn in incentives). Not happening. And he's not reporting to any team that may trade for him unless a fat contract extension is forthcoming, either, from everything I gather.

He's played four seasons for a total of $10.4M despite being one of the NFL's primary attractions. He'll be a bargain no more.

And if he's not extended or traded before the season, then one need only go back to Duane Brown's conflict with the Texans from a year ago to find a template for Beckham. He'll sit out into the season's midpoint – one can only wonder how the Giants would fare without him for at least the first eight games – and then report just in time to receive an accrued season toward unrestricted free agency. Not the cloud any team would want hanging over a new coaching staff coming off a 3-13 campaign. Saquon Barkley with the second-overall pick better be instantly transformational to overcome this potential mess.

Mara's consternation may be far from over. The best player on his team, still just 25 years old, has ample leverage at a time when the Giants have fallen well below expectations. I don't envy Mara's position, and as has been the case too often in recent years (the handling of Tom Coughlin's ouster and Josh Brown's suspension and Manning's benching), Giants ownership is getting national attention for reasons they'd rather avoid.

 

[CGI_Ram]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-odell-beckham-jr-makes-sense-for-both-teams/

Why a Giants-Rams trade for Odell Beckham Jr. makes sense

ORLANDO – Should the New York Giants trade star receiver Odell Beckham Jr.?

The answer is maybe.

Should the Los Angeles Rams make the move to get him?

Depends.

The Giants say they aren't actively seeking to trade their high-profile receiver, but any player is available for the right price and the Giants have seemingly tired of Beckham's off-field issues and his act.

He is coming off a season shortened by an ankle injury and he's had his share of issues away from the field.

On the field, Beckham is an amazing talent, one who can change a game with one catch and run. That's why the Rams would make a lot of sense for Beckham Jr.

It's clear Los Angles is all-in the next two years as they get the luxury of using the rookie contract of quarterback Jared Goff as a way to handle their cap. That's why they were able to trade for corners Marcus Peters and Aqib Taliband sign Ndamukong Suh to make the defense better.

They lost speedy receiver Sammy Watkins in free agency to the Chiefs, so that's one part of their offense that is missing. Beckham is a much better player than Watkins, which is why acquiring him is intriguing.

The Rams are interested, even if they can't say it. What would the price be? I hear it's two first-round picks, this year's (No. 23) and next year's, which they would hope would be later in the first round.

But they likely wouldn't make that deal unless they could get assurances that Beckham would sign a long-term deal. It's too risky otherwise since 2018 is the final year of his contract.

He is scheduled to make $8.4 million next year, which is underpaid by league standards, especially when you consider Watkins got $16 million a year from the Chiefs. There is no way they would trade and then be forced to put the franchise tag on him next year if they didn't get a new deal.

"Hypothetically, a player of his caliber can kind of really do everything," Rams coach Sean McVay said. "We don't really get into situations of discussing players that are under contract with another team."

Rams general manager Les Snead echoed those sentiments when I interviewed him for CBS Sports HQ on Tuesday because of the league's tampering rules. But it's apparent the Rams have an interest.

It also sounds like the Giants are willing to let him go. Would two first-round picks be fair to get back? If you look at the Giants roster, they have a chance for a complete makeover.

They could also trade out of the second spot in the draft to a quarterback-needy team – if they are sticking with Eli Manning for now – and they could add even more picks. This could be a draft to re-load for the future if they were to make those two moves.

It would be a win-win for both. The Rams and McVay would get a home-run threat for their offense and truly be poised to make a push in the NFC, while the Giants can focus on the future without the Beckham distraction.

The trade makes sense.

Let's see it happen.

 

[RamsJunkie]

3 elements that must be satisfied for Odell Beckham trade — and source says Giants star told two Rams players he wants in

ORLANDO — Broadway Beckham Goes Hollywood could be Steve Tisch’s next movie.

Rams coach Sean McVay was careful Tuesday not to give the Giants any ammunition to file tampering charges, but Los Angeles’ interest in trading for Odell Beckham Jr., is real.

Very real.

The Giants’ interest in trading him is to be determined. Nobody can prevent a team from calling and the team on the receiving end will always listen. When there’s conversation, anything can happen.

McVay, the new state of the art offensive coach in the NFL, led the Rams to the NFC West title and their first playoff berth since 2004 in his first year on the job in 2017. He was named coach of the year.

He has Jared Goff, one of the best young quarterbacks, and running back Todd Gurley, the offensive player of the year. OBJ would complete the Triplets, giving him his own Aikman, Smith and Irvin.

Can it work?

“As long as we have a lot of snaps a game, I think we can keep everybody happy, if that’s the case,” McVay said.

Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham is being pursued by the Rams.
(BILL KOSTROUN/AP)

There are three elements to Beckham being traded to the Rams that must be satisfied for this to happen:

– Do the Rams want Beckham to add to McVay’s offense? Yes. Definitely.

– Does Beckham want to play for the Rams? One source told me Beckham has told a couple of Rams players he wants in. He does love New York, so his feeling for the Rams could quite possibly be only if the Giants trade him. The Rams are going to want to get him signed to a long-term extension to avoid playing the franchise tag game with him in 2019 and 2020 after he plays for the $8.4 million fifth-year option.

– Do the Giants even want to trade Beckham? Pat Shurmur desperately wants an opportunity to coach Beckham and give him some tough love to help him grow up. He’s in love with his talent. John Mara has backed off being in a rush to sign a check for $50 million guaranteed and it doesn’t take much to see he’s grown weary of Beckham’s childish act. The Giants don’t want to trade Beckham but if they feel he is poisoning the locker room with his selfish behavior, they could be ready to move on.

Of course, from a football standpoint, it makes no sense for the Giants to get rid of OBJ. He’s a once in a generation player. He is the most explosive offensive weapon in team history. Mara is a patient man — he learned that from his father — but every man has his limits. Mara’s talks with Beckham have not made an impact.

If he gets traded, Beckham to the Rams makes sense. Los Angeles GM Les Snead is not afraid to deal. Already this offseason, he’s traded for cornerbacks Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib, traded away defensive end Robert Quinn and just invested $14 million in Ndamukong Suh. Peters, Talib and Suh all arrive with character questions.

OBJ spends his offseason in LA when he’s not getting videoed in Paris hotel rooms with models he just met, so presumably if he’s traded away, the Rams will be his preferred destination. The Rams own the 23rd pick in the first round. That’s the starting point for negotiations. They don’t have a second-round pick. That went to the Bills last year for Sammy Watkins, whom they allowed to leave as a free agent. He signed with Kansas City. The Giants should demand next year’s No. 1 as well.

If GM Dave Gettleman is going to trade Beckham, he will open up the bidding. The 49ers, with the ninth pick, should want OBJ as a weapon for Jimmy Garoppolo. The Patriots own the Niners’ second-round pick in the Garoppolo trade, but the Niners own the Saints second-round pick after an exchange of picks during last year’s draft.

The Giants should demand two first-round picks in any OBJ trade. That’s what Bill Parcells received for Keyshawn Johnson when he traded him to the Bucs in 2000. Tampa had the 13th and 27th picks in the first round. Parcells was convinced Johnson would hold out that summer and didn’t want to burden rookie coach Al Groh with the distraction.

Eventually, Mara and Tisch may not want Shurmur to have to deal with the daily Beckham questions if he holds out of camp. The difference with Keyshawn is he was not showing his immaturity on an almost daily basis. Beckham has not been arrested or gotten into trouble off the field, but he continues to do things, like putting himself in that situation in Paris with the hotel room video, that have the Giants wondering if he’s ever going to get it.

There was an NFL Network report Monday that said Beckham will not show up for the Giants or anybody else without a new contract. Up close, OBJ’s act seems much worse to the Giants than it would to the Rams, because viewed from a distance going on a boat trip to Miami less than one week before playoffs doesn’t seem so bad, but the Giants know the damage it did to their chances in Green Bay.

“Hypothetically, a player of his caliber can kind of really do everything,” McVay said. “We don’t really get into the situations of discussing players that are under contract with any other team, just out of respect for tampering and the things that come with that.”

McVay wants players who love football. Beckham checks that box. If the Giants are going to trade Beckham, the deadline is the first round of the April 26 draft. If they are going to dump their best player, they need an immediate return.

 

[Fiji Fan]

 

[LesBaker]

Giving up draft picks, even just a 1 this year and a 3 next year for a one year rental for a player coming off of season ending ankle surgery and one that brings a diva attitude and immaturity all around is in no way shape or form an intelligent use of resources.

In fact it's crazy.

He may not be back up to speed this year because ankles like knees and backs can take time to fully come up to speed. Even cleared to play doesn't mean 100% back to pre-injury status.

McVay's offense doesn't need a "true #1" WR, in fact his play design and play calling would never accommodate that type of player. Beckham will want at least 10 passes thrown his way, it's been that way since he was a rookie. That will rarely happen in this offense, there are too many different types of weapons deployed on almost each play and Goff has been taught to spread it all over the field. Beckham won't be happy. And we know what that will lead to.

Also factor in that he is a UFA after the season and he has made ALL KINDS of noise about being the highest paid player, wanted over 20MIL a year, he won't set foot on the field without a new deal from the Giants and all the rest of the shit he has tossed out there makes a trade for him extremely unattractive.

If Snead pulls the trigger on this deal I'd be shocked because the only way you get to keep him past this year is franchise tag him which will cost nearly 17MIL next year and even more the year after that for a player the offense really and truly doesn't need.

I would MUCH rather have those picks in Snead's hands so he can steadily add talent..........and those dollars in Demoff's pockets because while I dislike him he is truly excellent and putting together contracts and we have guys that will be looking to get paid.

 

[Merlin]

Truth. But, hey, we're riding that offseason high, right?

I fully agree. Snead has rolled enough dice now irt the Rams' locker room balance. OBJ might put them over the critical mass into dumbf*ckery. Hell, they might already be there as of right now, we'll have to wait and see how these guys all mesh. So I remain hopeful some other team puts up a better offer for him.