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Unless Carberry used some sort of voodoo magic to injure all of our OLs, I don't think it's fair to blame him for his unit not performing when we lost like 7 of our top 9 OLs to injury and are relying on street FAs at multiple starting spots.Quick do Carberry next
It made sense to me to leave if he wanted a shot at being a NFL HC. But after the way this year went, he wasn't going to get considered for a promotion in the short term, so heading back to Kentucky is understandable.Not true at all. He's an extremely sought after coach in SEC and they fired their OC weeks ago. If anything it was a weird move he left there in the 1st place
Lexington isn't LA, but it's definitely not a rural setting, my friend.Maybe Coen doesn’t like LA. It’s not for everyone, he might want to go back to a rural setting.
I’m sure there are a lot of factors that came in to the decision that have nothing to do with his job responsibilities with the Rams.
True but just outside of Lexington is, there’s not much of that left between Semi Valley and San Diego. And, no one wants to live around BakersfieldLexington isn't LA, but it's definitely not a rural setting, my friend.
Unless Carberry used some sort of voodoo magic to injure all of our OLs, I don't think it's fair to blame him for his unit not performing when we lost like 7 of our top 9 OLs to injury and are relying on street FAs at multiple starting spots.
I think Baldy was pro-Carberry last year.
View: https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1475925194522910722
Our OLs have gotten zero push for years, before Carberry got there. That's a result of McVay and Snead's preference for OLs who are lighter and more intelligent, skilled, and agile.Not what I was referring to at all. Our lineman get zero push in the run game since Carberry came on board. DFarr and maybe even Baldy did a breakdown of Carberry's run blocking scheme last season and it is not good.
Havenstein is not light. Whitworth was not light. Edwards was an OT playing G. They are/were big enough. Denver always had light linemen and they could run the hell out of the ball.Our OLs have gotten zero push for years, before Carberry got there. That's a result of McVay and Snead's preference for OLs who are lighter and more intelligent, skilled, and agile.
David Edwards is 6'6" 308. He's not a large OG. Reality is reality. McVay and Snead have a preference. That preference is not for 340 pound OGs.Havenstein is not light. Whitworth was not light. Edwards was an OT playing G. They are/were big enough. Denver always had light linemen and they could run the hell out of the ball.
You should have a talk with the HC, then.It's obvious the run scheme here lacks imagination and any type of positive consistency.
Crosby is one of the best EDGEs in the NFL this year. Havenstein's job is made harder by the fact that the interior OL isn't effective, which limits the QB's ability to step up in the pocket, and our LT is a street free agent, which limits the help Havenstein can get with Crosby. Havenstein, while a very good RT, has always had his limitations against top EDGE rushers when he's not getting help.Even Havenstein's pass blocking was horrendous and it looked like technique/scheme issues to some extent. Sure Crosby is a beast, but show him different looks. Don't retreat back to the QBs lap immediately off the snap everytime. Hit him first occasionally at the line. The coach can chip him occasionally. Instead it was a race back to Mayfield on every snap.
And who also happen to be available with lower picks. Maybe if the Rams had, or had used, higher picks they might have gotten skill and power.Our OLs have gotten zero push for years, before Carberry got there. That's a result of McVay and Snead's preference for OLs who are lighter and more intelligent, skilled, and agile.
Regardless of all that...they are big enough and as you said the scheme is a problem. So not sure what the disagreement is here regarding the run game.David Edwards is 6'6" 308. He's not a large OG. Reality is reality. McVay and Snead have a preference. That preference is not for 340 pound OGs.
Denver didn't burn teams by pushing them around. They used movement and scheming. Kyle Shanahan does the same. We also run a ZBS, but McVay doesn't scheme up his rushing attack as well as the Shanahans do/did.
You should have a talk with the HC, then.
Crosby is one of the best EDGEs in the NFL this year. Havenstein's job is made harder by the fact that the interior OL isn't effective, which limits the QB's ability to step up in the pocket, and our LT is a street free agent, which limits the help Havenstein can get with Crosby. Havenstein, while a very good RT, has always had his limitations against top EDGE rushers when he's not getting help.
Agree but have no idea who that would be. Maybe someone from Cleveland? Callahan perhaps????RT Rob Havenstein is at his best when the offense runs the ball. The problem is McVay has had no running game for years now. Waste of one of the best run-blocking RT's in the NFL. Don't blame Havenstien. It's a shame to waste him with this pass first run last offense.
I would hope that McVay would look for a new OC who has a great mind for building a run game to go with what McVay has created thus far in the passing game.
Rams won the SB with Carberry as the OL coach. I have been critical of Carberry this season.
The disagreement here is that we don't have an OL designed to push guys around. We have an OL designed to create horizontal movement, not vertical movement. And McVay is the guy who schemes the offense. When the offense struggles, people have a tendency to blame the assistants. McVay is the guy pulling the strings. He's a great coach, but he has some weaknesses.Regardless of all that...they are big enough and as you said the scheme is a problem. So not sure what the disagreement is here regarding the run game.
BTW, watch film on Jackie Slater one on one with Reggie White in the 89' Wild Card game. He mixed things up on every play...kept him off guard. Havenstein just retreated back on every play.
Let's be clear, Havenstein having some limitations against speed is not a good reason to release him. There are ways to cover for that weakness, particularly for an OL like Havenstein who is great in many other respects. He's a top 10 player at this position. But it's harder to mask that weakness when you're having to mask the weaknesses of the rest of the OL.I've been saying for years Havenstein sucks against speed but no one believed me. All you had to do was go back and watched how old man Carlos Dunlap owned Rob every time the Rams played Seattle. Everyone thought it was an anomaly. Go back and look at his college film. Havenstein has heavy feet, i.e. slow feet which is death in the NFL. Why do you think he gets so damn many false starts? He's looking for an edge because he's beat at the snap. Why do you think I've been advocating to release Havenstein? But he's locked in for one more year due to cap numbers, especially if Stafford retires. But they have an out in 2024 in Havenstein's contract. Releasing him will actually clear cap.
I've said it ever since they signed Skura that he sucked. I've seen him play before he got here and he plays like another Blythe. Nsekhe is worth signing to a one or two year contract to play swing OT.
The Ram OL outlook next year is actually pretty good. I think they have the makings of a decent OL. If Noteboom can return to form they means they can play Jackson at LG which will plug that hole. Shelton can stay at RG and they can give Bruss a year to develop. Then they would move Jackson to RT and Bruss to OG (right or left). IMO that would mean 2024 OL would be better than the 2021 version.