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Come on Jrry. Fans aren't quicker to recognize. They are just not bound by anything other than their fandom so they can spout off about firing people or making changes with no REAL consequences if they are wrong. That makes them right when they call for someone to be fired? Not in any reality. Do they see more than the organization at any given time? Not in any reality. Can they be right at times? The saying about a blind mouse comes to mind.
Fans are quicker to realize because they aren't held accountable. Thus, they're not motivated by bias or self-preservation.
Can fans be wrong? Certainly. But the fans have been right more often than the Rams have this past decade imo.
I'm not saying the fans are wrong about wanting Fisher replaced. I'm also not saying they are right in that it couldn't be either worse or that there is no way we are actually about to turn the corner. I have my assumptions and that includes not liking the trends I see. But I also don't put much stock in the idea that I or anyone else on here actually knows what they are talking about.
It can get worse. The team can turn the corner under Fisher. The problem is that the team turning the corner wouldn't be due to Fisher.
I also disagree with you. There are a lot of people here who know what they're talking about.
I get the want to win. The losing kills me. But put me in the camp with @Young Ram, @blackbart , @Ramlock and many others in that it is not out of the realm of possibility that the very staff many want fired, can turn it around and that it is possible we don't see all that is really going on that gives the Rams confidence that the product will get better - maybe even far better.
We don't disagree. I think Goff is going to be a good QB. Thus, I think that the Rams could very easily turn it around next year with Fisher. That's not the issue for me. I want to make the playoffs. But I also want to win Super Bowls.
Fisher has proven himself to be a mediocre coach. This team can absolutely win with a mediocre coach if Goff pans out like I think he will. But this team will be a lot better if we have a good coach. Especially a coach who will bring out the best in Goff. That's something I don't believe Fisher will do.
Thus, my problem isn't that I think Fisher is incapable of winning. It's that I think his flaws as a coach are currently causing this team to underachieve. I think his flaws as a coach will cause Goff to underachieve. I want a coach who will push this team and Goff to overachieve.
I've watched other franchises. I've seen them suck year after year and some catch fire a couple times. I understand when fans get restless. They are fans. We get up like we ourselves won something when our teams do well. We crash hard when we see our team play like they have all too often.
I'm a Rams fan. I won't ever be a fan of another NFL team. Unfortunately, that has meant taking the awful with the bad lately. Personally, I don't care what they do as long as it results in more wins and us getting to the post season with a chance to win it all. But I won't act like they would be perennial champs if they had only listened to me. I know this is a tough business. Many teams haven't sniffed the post season even though they act like fans and fire everyone after a few years. Some teams have made it to the playoffs a few times over the past decade even though they are still a mess. A few teams are seemingly always in it. Congrats to them and their fans. I hope thorough steadying the ship, we can be one of them.
More like one team (other than us). That's the Cleveland Browns.
Personally, I think the methodology has been strong with this regime. The results in terms of wins and losses have not been there. That sucks for us fans and everyone involved in the organization. Is that a result of bad coaching? It could very well be. From my view it appears so. And I'm ok with the idea of changing the staff but I don't want to see them go back to the methodology of too many other teams (including our own GSOT teams) that happened to catch lightning in a bottle in spite of methodology rather than because of it.
I don't see the methodology changing with the coaching staff. Demoff will continue to be a constant. He's the guy who has kept us in the free and clear in terms of the salary cap.
So fire Fisher, keep Fisher, clean house, move Fisher to an admin role, whatever. Just find a winning methodology and stick with it. To me, the base methods they are using make sense. But I'm a fan which means I really don't know for sure.
Personally, I don't think there's a winning methodology beyond finding a franchise QB and/or hiring a quality coaching staff. If you have one or both, you can succeed with a lot of different methodologies.
There are certainly losing methodologies, though. Like having people meddling at the top who don't really know the game of football.