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the TD run vs the seahawks was a trick play>? wasnt he the only other player in the backfield other than foles?
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This is very well said. Make no mistake, homer stupid comments aside, the Rams scare us. Not so much the passing game, running and that solid D is nasty.
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And the Rams should scare the Viking fans too. Both the Rams and Vikings are similar. Both are up and coming and playing solid football right now. Both rely on the run and a good defense. Your QB is kind of like ours too, in the sense both are struggling but both have shown the ability to challenge the defenses at times and make big plays. You have a player like Diggs who is emerging and for us Austin is starting to make some big plays.
It should be a great game. What this game turn into a shoot out and both QBs throw for 300+ yards lol.
Good point about Gurley sitting, I didn't take that into account. That said I still have no confidence in this line at all to win a playoff caliber game on the road. If they don't turn the ball over we may have a close game. I'm really hoping things finally click, but I'm just not seeing it. Especially with Brown.
This Sunday will be fun as shit, I know that. I'm ready :boxing:
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Week 9: VIKINGS (5-2) vs. Rams (4-3)
An absolute must win game for the Vikings. Rams sitting at 4-3 and the Vikings at 5-2, this game could be the deciding factor in the playoff race.
Plus, the Vikings have shown that they can beat a divisional opponent on the road, they've gotten the Chicago monkey off of their back, now they need to show people that they can beat an opponent with a winning record.
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Rams need to do the same thing so this should be a good game. For us it seems to be all about two things, the OLine providing Foles with some time and the WR/TE actually catching and holding on to the ball. Best of luck guys cya on Sunday.
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this game is all about slowing down Todd Gurley and the Rams' DL.
the two key stats for both teams will be rushing yards, and sacks/hits/hurries.
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The Vikings absolutely need Sharrif Floyd for this game. I expect the Rams to lean on Gurley and I don't trust only having three active DTs for this game, one of which is a pass rush specialist in Tom Johnson.
If the Vikings can limit Gurley and rattle Foles, this will be a favorable game for MN. It will be difficult to score on the Rams, I wouldn't expect more than 24 points.
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I agree, it's about cutting down Gurley's yardage.
I think it'll be a 17-13 sort of game.
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Both of these teams are built for exactly that type of game. It should be fun for those that love the rushing game.
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How good is the Rams offensive line? I seem to recall that group really struggling early in the year/preseason.
Now Gurley has been a machine and is arguably the best RB in football.
Is there an area of their defense that we can exploit or is just going to be one of those games where we need to play field position and hopefully get a short field?
Kind of a must-win game for both teams. Rams need to keep pace with Arizona and us for that Wild Card slot and we need to bank as many wins as possible for that final 6 weeks.
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Sounds like both offensive lines will get destroyed. Fun smash mouth football ahead. Let's hope Vikings limit mistakes better, and we can shut down the power football.
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This game kind of reminds me of when the Vikings went against the chargers in Peterson rookie year. Explosive rookie against the consensus top back later in their career although Peterson might have lost the top spot by now. Hopefully the old guy comes out on top this time
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I'm really looking forward to this game. Should be a little bit of a blood bath
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This appears to be a first to 17 wins it type game, so it will probably be a shootout.
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This is big. If we can expect Gurley to get 20-25 carries and be the focal point of the Rams offense, we cant have Johnson in on base regularly. We may have to move Joseph to UT and bring in Ellis as NT just to have the needed beef and strength up front. Stopping Gurley will be the key to victory.
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Our interior line is going to be tested this weekend. And by tested I mean obliterated. Aaron Donald has had maybe the strongest start to a career of a defensive player that I've ever seen. Very well could be the best DT in the league already. He's insane. I have the feeling Fusco and Berger will be in for a long day.
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jrry32 - Donald is awesome and Michael Brockers is very underrated. Does the dirty work (stuffing gaps) and can cause problems when he's left 1 on 1.
This will also be a good test for Mark Barron. He's been lights out since replacing Ogletree. Our defense as a whole is playing like one of the top 3 defenses in football right now.
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Aaron Donald is an absolute monster. I'd say he's the best DT in the league.
I hope Norv Turner realizes he can't be calling a lot of deep drop back passes, and just try to get the ball out quickly. Bridgewater played great in the closing minutes of the game, but he needs to play better the entire game. I don't expect Adrian Peterson to do much against the Rams. maybe 30 yards.
all I've been hearing from Rams fans is how good of a season Janoris Jenkins is having. he'll be a great test for Stefon Diggs. maybe Mike Wallace will decide he wants to play and he'll help out the offense.
for the Vikings defensively, it's all about stopping Gurley. dude has been on a tear recently and doesn't look close to slowing down. having Floyd and Griffen back would be huge. The whole front 7 needs to play their very best this game. I'm not too worried about Foles, but he can make an occasional play or two. Tavon Austin is the only other weapon worth mentioning for St. Louis.
I'm calling it though: this is the week Xavier Rhodes gets back on track. no penalties, no catches and 1 interception. Rhodes closed incoming!
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Run, Run, Run. Put pressure on the best part of the opponent: the DL.
I would use heavy sets. I would use Asiata and McKinnon heavily. Run it straight down their guts. Often, with as much as you have.
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if we had an OL that could run block I would agree. I just don't see that working well for us though.
In this game I would use lots of quick screens/slants. Diggs, Wallace and Wright are all very fast and can make something happen once they have the ball, so I would say get the ball to the perimeter as fast as possible.
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We've got to come out slinging the ball around. Short and intermediate type drop backs, keep the ball moving. This ground and pound stuff isn't working this year for MN and plays to the Rams strengths. The Rams will have less incentive to run the ball if we can get up on them early. That should be the plan but I realize the defense of the Rams is stout.
I'd lean heavily on running a shotgun based offense with quick hitting completions. I realize this doesn't fit Petersons style but we need to move away from the mentality of catering an offense to Peterson.
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I have to disagree.
Coming out passing plays to our strengths more than the ground and pound. Obviously, if you can't run the ball, that's not going to help you. But I'd say our pass defense is more reliable and consistent than the rush defense. We give up yardage through the air but we also create a lot of negative plays (sacks, TOs, etc.).
is it in any way possible that all the maintain the running game talk Zimmer has been espousing the last 2-3 weeks has also been to set up the Rams to think/plan that's what we'll continue to do, but come out slinging instead against them...?
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Bridgewater getting out to a fast start is a must. The best way to neutralize Gurley is to take an early lead and get the Rams to rely more on Foles. And the only way that's going to happen is if Bridgewater starts the first quarter where he left off in the fourth quarter against the Bears.
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Agreed. First quarter must be won by MN to set the tone. Bridgewater needs to get in an early rhythm and drive us down the field for points. I fear leaning on Peterson too early will prevent Bridgewater from being effective early on. I'd prefer to use the pass the setup the run. Get out to an early lead, don't let up, and then pound the ball in the second half with Peterson.
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Captain Munnerlyn: “This guy, Todd Gurley, he’s special. He’s Adrian Peterson all over again. People don’t realize how big he is. He can hit you with the home-run speed. He’s a young Adrian Peterson, but I like our Adrian Peterson better.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...odd-gurley-is-adrian-peterson-all-over-again/
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I get the feeling this will be a really boring, slug fest. A lot of punts. May come down to which team protects the ball better and can score in the red zone. First team to 13 points wins kind of game.
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special teams will definitely be a big factor.
Blair Walsh has been far better than Greg Zuerlein this year, so that is an advantage.
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This is gonna be a wild one.
Get your popcorn ready.
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I agree with Swiss Vike . . . just like last week, we need to pound the ball. Hopefully the sun won't be in anyone's eyes this week and the WRs catch the ball the first half. As far as the Rams' defensive strength, wouldn't most say their strength is pass rush? How do you defeat that?
Extra blockers on deeper routes, sure. I'd say there's a good chance the Vikes use extra blockers and if Teddy's moving the ball through the air, they'll bring the house . . . screens and draws would be the way to go in that case. So, I have confidence in Zimmer and Turner to set up a good game plan. In the end, I'm glad it's home and outdoors.
Vikes 38 - Rams 20
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Last weeks offense was pretty unproductive until we went away from the run. Rams are too good on defense to give up that many points. I doubt either team surpasses 24 points.
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cool matchup this week...
* diggs vs jenkins. i haven't seen much of diggs, but heard he's been amazing. as far as jenkins goes, this is by far the best season of his career thus far. he has been so great this season for us. great test for him this week vs the red hot diggs.
tavon austin has been new and improved, i'm hoping he has a big game. i hope gurley has a big game, but at some point he's going to be limited in his impact and other guys are going to have to step up.
also looking forward to how the vikings play aaron donald. idk much about minnesota's interior offensive line, how are the guards and center? will they essentially have to double team aaron donald every play, or do they have a guy who can 1v1 him?
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Rams have allowed a total 8 Offensive TD's this year..
Intewasting and we have the best redzone D.. I still have a sour taste from last year
In which AD was allowed to play in one game.. Haha it's a ramslife..
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Anyone else think WR Brian Quick from the Rams would be a nice trade acquisition for the Vikings?
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No. I doubt he offers more than Johnson and Thielen at this point in the season.
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Jeff Fischer is a .500 coach through and through, so we should win.
Sometimes its that easy.
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so the time the titans went to the super bowl and the years the titans were a competitive franchise under fisher don't count?
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the best way to counter the rams defensive line is to do what the steelers did on their first 2 possessions when we played them. big ben was literally throwing the ball on 1 or 2 step drops. it was crazy. antonio brown killed us in the 1st quarter/half, then ben got hurt and everything went away. they didn't score much, but they were effectively able to move the ball down the field against us in the 1st quarter.
those 2 step drops were real frustrating to watch. couldn't even get anywhere near big ben as far as pressure goes.
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Announcers have been assigned. We get Brennaman, Davis and Siragusa. Personally, I've always found Siragusa to be utterly pointless. I've always wondered how he has a job in TV when he brings nothing useful to the table.
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i think i remember pretty clearly us doing a lot of quick passing last year when we played the rams... the result? 0 sacks taken.
some of you guys need to give norv more credit.
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I do worry that if we try and pound the ball early and often, we will just end up seeing another 18 carry 40 yard performance by Peterson going into the 4th quarter.
I'd love to pound the ball and control the clock but I think we will have to get up on them early through the passing game to do so.
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jrry32 - That's assuming the Rams use a similar game-plan against the Vikings. I doubt they will. The Rams were using that game-plan because of the Steelers' ability to get deep. Gregg Williams is very creative with his game-plans.
And they weren't really doing that much damage. They were putting up yardage but only had 9 points through 3 quarters when Ben got hurt.
Week 9: VIKINGS (5-2) vs. Rams (4-3)
An absolute must win game for the Vikings. Rams sitting at 4-3 and the Vikings at 5-2, this game could be the deciding factor in the playoff race.
Plus, the Vikings have shown that they can beat a divisional opponent on the road, they've gotten the Chicago monkey off of their back, now they need to show people that they can beat an opponent with a winning record.
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Rams need to do the same thing so this should be a good game. For us it seems to be all about two things, the OLine providing Foles with some time and the WR/TE actually catching and holding on to the ball. Best of luck guys cya on Sunday.
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this game is all about slowing down Todd Gurley and the Rams' DL.
the two key stats for both teams will be rushing yards, and sacks/hits/hurries.
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The Vikings absolutely need Sharrif Floyd for this game. I expect the Rams to lean on Gurley and I don't trust only having three active DTs for this game, one of which is a pass rush specialist in Tom Johnson.
If the Vikings can limit Gurley and rattle Foles, this will be a favorable game for MN. It will be difficult to score on the Rams, I wouldn't expect more than 24 points.
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I agree, it's about cutting down Gurley's yardage.
I think it'll be a 17-13 sort of game.
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Both of these teams are built for exactly that type of game. It should be fun for those that love the rushing game.
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How good is the Rams offensive line? I seem to recall that group really struggling early in the year/preseason.
Now Gurley has been a machine and is arguably the best RB in football.
Is there an area of their defense that we can exploit or is just going to be one of those games where we need to play field position and hopefully get a short field?
Kind of a must-win game for both teams. Rams need to keep pace with Arizona and us for that Wild Card slot and we need to bank as many wins as possible for that final 6 weeks.
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Sounds like both offensive lines will get destroyed. Fun smash mouth football ahead. Let's hope Vikings limit mistakes better, and we can shut down the power football.
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This game kind of reminds me of when the Vikings went against the chargers in Peterson rookie year. Explosive rookie against the consensus top back later in their career although Peterson might have lost the top spot by now. Hopefully the old guy comes out on top this time
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I'm really looking forward to this game. Should be a little bit of a blood bath
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This appears to be a first to 17 wins it type game, so it will probably be a shootout.
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This is big. If we can expect Gurley to get 20-25 carries and be the focal point of the Rams offense, we cant have Johnson in on base regularly. We may have to move Joseph to UT and bring in Ellis as NT just to have the needed beef and strength up front. Stopping Gurley will be the key to victory.
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Our interior line is going to be tested this weekend. And by tested I mean obliterated. Aaron Donald has had maybe the strongest start to a career of a defensive player that I've ever seen. Very well could be the best DT in the league already. He's insane. I have the feeling Fusco and Berger will be in for a long day.
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jrry32 - Donald is awesome and Michael Brockers is very underrated. Does the dirty work (stuffing gaps) and can cause problems when he's left 1 on 1.
This will also be a good test for Mark Barron. He's been lights out since replacing Ogletree. Our defense as a whole is playing like one of the top 3 defenses in football right now.
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Aaron Donald is an absolute monster. I'd say he's the best DT in the league.
I hope Norv Turner realizes he can't be calling a lot of deep drop back passes, and just try to get the ball out quickly. Bridgewater played great in the closing minutes of the game, but he needs to play better the entire game. I don't expect Adrian Peterson to do much against the Rams. maybe 30 yards.
all I've been hearing from Rams fans is how good of a season Janoris Jenkins is having. he'll be a great test for Stefon Diggs. maybe Mike Wallace will decide he wants to play and he'll help out the offense.
for the Vikings defensively, it's all about stopping Gurley. dude has been on a tear recently and doesn't look close to slowing down. having Floyd and Griffen back would be huge. The whole front 7 needs to play their very best this game. I'm not too worried about Foles, but he can make an occasional play or two. Tavon Austin is the only other weapon worth mentioning for St. Louis.
I'm calling it though: this is the week Xavier Rhodes gets back on track. no penalties, no catches and 1 interception. Rhodes closed incoming!
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Run, Run, Run. Put pressure on the best part of the opponent: the DL.
I would use heavy sets. I would use Asiata and McKinnon heavily. Run it straight down their guts. Often, with as much as you have.
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if we had an OL that could run block I would agree. I just don't see that working well for us though.
In this game I would use lots of quick screens/slants. Diggs, Wallace and Wright are all very fast and can make something happen once they have the ball, so I would say get the ball to the perimeter as fast as possible.
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We've got to come out slinging the ball around. Short and intermediate type drop backs, keep the ball moving. This ground and pound stuff isn't working this year for MN and plays to the Rams strengths. The Rams will have less incentive to run the ball if we can get up on them early. That should be the plan but I realize the defense of the Rams is stout.
I'd lean heavily on running a shotgun based offense with quick hitting completions. I realize this doesn't fit Petersons style but we need to move away from the mentality of catering an offense to Peterson.
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I have to disagree.
Coming out passing plays to our strengths more than the ground and pound. Obviously, if you can't run the ball, that's not going to help you. But I'd say our pass defense is more reliable and consistent than the rush defense. We give up yardage through the air but we also create a lot of negative plays (sacks, TOs, etc.).
is it in any way possible that all the maintain the running game talk Zimmer has been espousing the last 2-3 weeks has also been to set up the Rams to think/plan that's what we'll continue to do, but come out slinging instead against them...?
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Bridgewater getting out to a fast start is a must. The best way to neutralize Gurley is to take an early lead and get the Rams to rely more on Foles. And the only way that's going to happen is if Bridgewater starts the first quarter where he left off in the fourth quarter against the Bears.
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Agreed. First quarter must be won by MN to set the tone. Bridgewater needs to get in an early rhythm and drive us down the field for points. I fear leaning on Peterson too early will prevent Bridgewater from being effective early on. I'd prefer to use the pass the setup the run. Get out to an early lead, don't let up, and then pound the ball in the second half with Peterson.
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Captain Munnerlyn: “This guy, Todd Gurley, he’s special. He’s Adrian Peterson all over again. People don’t realize how big he is. He can hit you with the home-run speed. He’s a young Adrian Peterson, but I like our Adrian Peterson better.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...odd-gurley-is-adrian-peterson-all-over-again/
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I get the feeling this will be a really boring, slug fest. A lot of punts. May come down to which team protects the ball better and can score in the red zone. First team to 13 points wins kind of game.
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special teams will definitely be a big factor.
Blair Walsh has been far better than Greg Zuerlein this year, so that is an advantage.
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This is gonna be a wild one.
Get your popcorn ready.
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I agree with Swiss Vike . . . just like last week, we need to pound the ball. Hopefully the sun won't be in anyone's eyes this week and the WRs catch the ball the first half. As far as the Rams' defensive strength, wouldn't most say their strength is pass rush? How do you defeat that?
Extra blockers on deeper routes, sure. I'd say there's a good chance the Vikes use extra blockers and if Teddy's moving the ball through the air, they'll bring the house . . . screens and draws would be the way to go in that case. So, I have confidence in Zimmer and Turner to set up a good game plan. In the end, I'm glad it's home and outdoors.
Vikes 38 - Rams 20
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Last weeks offense was pretty unproductive until we went away from the run. Rams are too good on defense to give up that many points. I doubt either team surpasses 24 points.
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cool matchup this week...
* diggs vs jenkins. i haven't seen much of diggs, but heard he's been amazing. as far as jenkins goes, this is by far the best season of his career thus far. he has been so great this season for us. great test for him this week vs the red hot diggs.
tavon austin has been new and improved, i'm hoping he has a big game. i hope gurley has a big game, but at some point he's going to be limited in his impact and other guys are going to have to step up.
also looking forward to how the vikings play aaron donald. idk much about minnesota's interior offensive line, how are the guards and center? will they essentially have to double team aaron donald every play, or do they have a guy who can 1v1 him?
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Rams have allowed a total 8 Offensive TD's this year..
Intewasting and we have the best redzone D.. I still have a sour taste from last year
In which AD was allowed to play in one game.. Haha it's a ramslife..
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Anyone else think WR Brian Quick from the Rams would be a nice trade acquisition for the Vikings?
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No. I doubt he offers more than Johnson and Thielen at this point in the season.
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Jeff Fischer is a .500 coach through and through, so we should win.
Sometimes its that easy.
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so the time the titans went to the super bowl and the years the titans were a competitive franchise under fisher don't count?
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the best way to counter the rams defensive line is to do what the steelers did on their first 2 possessions when we played them. big ben was literally throwing the ball on 1 or 2 step drops. it was crazy. antonio brown killed us in the 1st quarter/half, then ben got hurt and everything went away. they didn't score much, but they were effectively able to move the ball down the field against us in the 1st quarter.
those 2 step drops were real frustrating to watch. couldn't even get anywhere near big ben as far as pressure goes.
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Announcers have been assigned. We get Brennaman, Davis and Siragusa. Personally, I've always found Siragusa to be utterly pointless. I've always wondered how he has a job in TV when he brings nothing useful to the table.
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i think i remember pretty clearly us doing a lot of quick passing last year when we played the rams... the result? 0 sacks taken.
some of you guys need to give norv more credit.
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I do worry that if we try and pound the ball early and often, we will just end up seeing another 18 carry 40 yard performance by Peterson going into the 4th quarter.
I'd love to pound the ball and control the clock but I think we will have to get up on them early through the passing game to do so.
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jrry32 - That's assuming the Rams use a similar game-plan against the Vikings. I doubt they will. The Rams were using that game-plan because of the Steelers' ability to get deep. Gregg Williams is very creative with his game-plans.
And they weren't really doing that much damage. They were putting up yardage but only had 9 points through 3 quarters when Ben got hurt.
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Guys call me a Homer I don't carecareThese vikes fans wanna act like their team is better then ours because of gain similar. And most on here wanna agree they are. HOWEVER those #s are skewed.
The vikes strength of schedule thus far is 32nd in the league thru week 8
Rams strength of schedule wk 8 is 15
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/3rdwnc/strength_of_schedule_through_week_8/
I'm on record for saying vikes d is more over rated the chip kelly
The vikes strength of schedule thus far is 32nd in the league thru week 8
Rams strength of schedule wk 8 is 15
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/3rdwnc/strength_of_schedule_through_week_8/
I'm on record for saying vikes d is more over rated the chip kelly
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Yep, I can't argue with that, but they beat the teams they should of - 49ers week one. I guess we'll just have to wait and see Sunday if either team is for real or not.
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It tells me that all they watch is ESPN highlights to determine who the good players and good teams are.
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Maybe, but in Foles case they aren't far off. Average is about the best that can be said.
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Some of the vikes fans get it like this guy. Except.. he missed a few things
- 7 of those points were a defensive TD.
- 7 were a blown coverage / miscommunication.
- 7 when a defender (Joyner) tripped.
And the Rams D has just been getting better. (Barron!)
Yes. This vikes fan gets it. All those nfl team ranking stats are misleading because they don't consider the Gurley factor and his impact on both O and D (keeping the D off the field).
What he didn't pick up on was the Barron factor which is HUGE for the Rams, but is not national news.
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A lot of people have overlooked Barron. I hope opposing coaches do too. He's been a key player in this defense.
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For those of you that haven't listened to the Football Outsiders interview they clearly think the Rams should be favored in this match up and use a lot of the points that are brought up in this thread. It's a very informative interview. This game will either have us all feeling like its 2014 all over again or that we have finally crossed the line in to being a "good" team that has a chance to win every game. I am hoping for the latter of course.
http://www.rams-news.com/football-outsiders-have-the-rams-as-clear-favorites-over-minnesota-audio/
http://www.rams-news.com/football-outsiders-have-the-rams-as-clear-favorites-over-minnesota-audio/
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After the grueling schedule they have faced I can see how fans would think they are legit.
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http://www.scout.com/nfl/vikings/fo...00-watched-replays-of-the-last-two-rams-games
WATCHED REPLAYS OF THE LAST TWO RAMS GAMES
When I started watching I was worried. I am not worried anymore.
Gurley is the real deal. If you miss a tackle on Gurley, he will take it to the house. Good thing is that the Vikes don't miss too many tackles.
Tavon Austin is quick as lightening, but he goes down easy. Not too worried about him returning punts. Locke hasn't allowed anyone to get much return yardage. Vikes special teams are special.
Foles is about the equivalent of Ponder on one of his good days. He isn't bad. He is awful.
Game plan for defense: "Get Foles in third and long." That is all you need to do.
Rams are a very undisciplined team. Penalties galore.
Rams defensive line is very good. Nick Fairley and Aaron Donald are very good, but I am not impressed with their secondary. They gave up yards to Josh McClown and Colin Kaepernick. Playing at home, they let the Browns and the 49ers stay in the game deep into the game, despite the fact that both the Browns and the 49ers did everything in their ability to hand the game the the Rams. Penalties, turnovers, safeties, dropped passes, etc. Those two wins were gift wrapped to the Rams.
The Vikes won't give the game away to the Rams in Minneapolis. The Rams will have to earn a win. The Vikes won't miss tackles and turn the ball over 4 times at home. I just don't see the Rams scoring much.
Game plan for offense: "Don't turn the ball over." Get an early lead and let the Rams try to play catch up.
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And they give up a lot of YAC 143.6 per game
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I'm probably being overconfident, but I think this is one has a chance to be a blowout for the good-guys. Obviously a lot has changed in a year, but the Vikes rocked them pretty hard in last year's opener in their house. They might be better than they were then, but I think the Vikings are clearly better than they were then.
On the other hand, I have said on a couple of occasions that I feel this is a team that will play to the level of their competition, so from that perspective, it could be another close one.
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Would be the 1st win for Zimmer as head coach of the Vikings against a team with a winning record.Here's hoping this is another one we can check off the list.
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Pretty much on point. Aaron Donald is special.
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Stop the run, make Foles beat you and get after him.
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Thanks for the great post and analysis. Containing Gurley is a major key. We held the Bears to less than a hundred rushing yards but Forte and Langford averaged about 4 yards a carry. Gurley is averaging 6.1 yards. From what I can see, unlike Forte, he is not yet a big receiving threat.
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This is going to be a tough game. The Rams DL is legit, they were the first team that made Rodgers uncomfortable (constant pressure, hits, a couple sacks, forcing him into 2 picks) all year.
Granted, we handled Denver a bit better than Green Bay did, but that was without Von Miller, right (where Green Bay had to face him as well).
If the Vikes OL gets dominated by the Rams DL, then Peterson will either need to break one or we'll need a lot of quick passes and broken tackles, and our defense to hold up.
This is far from a gimme game - this will be a physical war.
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Our o-line needs to play very solid, getting holes for AP and protection for TB. If they can keep the jailbreaks to a minimum, we will score more points that the Rams. The defense wont let Girlie break loose and will beat the fluids out of Foles.
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Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware both played against us. They each had a sack and a host of other disruptions.
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http://www.scout.com/nfl/vikings/fo...hts/14252238-who-gets-more-yards-ad-or-gurley
WHO GETS MORE YARDS AD OR GURLEY
I know the answer. As a viking fan i say AD.
Gurley has four consequitive games over 125 yards
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Not against the VIKINGS defense he don't........
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I'm going to go with Gurley but that Teddy has much more passing yards and attempts than Foles.
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I'll go with Gurley. Reminds me of a young AP. Vikes gotta bring their big boy pants for this game.
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...After 2012 there's no way I'm betting against AD.
This is week #8 and about the time AD hits the next gear.
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I hope it is an epic running game by both and AP breaks a long one to win it. I'm tired of all this passing! AP gets 210yrds and 3TDs and Gurley about 140/ 2TDs.
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I think AD will want to show the kid he rules
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Gurley doesnt even look like a 30 year old AP, nevermind a young one. Thats hilarious..
How many more guys are we gonna hear about looking like AP? Nobody is like Peterson or is going to be like Peterson. That much has been established already.
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Gurley, world class speed, elusive, hits hard, I haven't seen a back like
this come into the league in years, and that includes AP.. Not taking anything
away from AP, but this guy is the best in the nfl.
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I am a Gordon fan growing up in Kenosha, WI. But, as much as I like him, I wanted draft Gurley if we traded AD. Gurley like AD and the Seahawks RB, is excellent getting YAC but is also elusive enough to get plenty of yards before contact. He will be best RB in NFL. In fairness to AD, he has a nice line to run behind. AD has few holes with the current line. It wasn't the good prior to lose 2 starters.
He has 226 yards on his 4 longest carries of the last 4 games. He has 575 yards on 94 carries for a nice 6.1 YPC. But take away his longest runs and he is at 349 yards on 92 carries for a 3.8 YPC. I'd rather face a guy that gets one big run and otherwise averaging less than 4 yards/carry which leads to more 3rd downs for our defense. Would suck if he repeatedly was pounding away at 6 yards a pop. That isn't the case. He is somewhat all or nothing statistically but still I love the kid.
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Isn't that true for AD as well (and every RB). If you took away AD's 4 longest runs he would probably be averaging under 3 yds and maybe less.
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I would not be shocked at all if this becomes Peterson's best game of the year. We all know that Peterson is a fierce competitor, and I don't think he's going to let a rookie upstage him.
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Their line is not that good. Its like ours
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Gurley.
He's better.
I said it.
He's a better running back. Not just at this point in his career. He's the first guy to come out since AP that you see run and you go - wow, he's actually better than AP - although you could always argue Marshawn Lynch for best NFL running back, too.
This isn't just Chris Johnson/Jamal Charles/LeShon McCoy type speed/quickness. And while DeMarco Murray is a good running back (not so much this year), he had such a great offensive line that you never really thought - that guy's better than AP.
Some guys "flashed" a few games - Eddy Lacy, Doug Martin. LaVeon Bell flashes, too. Very good running backs. But not "transcendent" running backs.
Gurley is. And right now, barring injury, he looks better, all-around, than Peterson. The Rams got themselves a good one.
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Heard this a million times already, nobodies come close to taking his crown. We'll see how long he can keep this pace up, my guess is he will be lucky to have half the career AP finishes with.
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"Barring injury", Im gonna go out on a limb and say he doesnt make it far enough to even tough Peterson because of injuries.... Takes a special player to be able to bang, year after year and consistently perform. Thats why nobodies taken the crown yet. The man is a beast. Good luck to Gurley but my guess is you fall short like all the others.
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In Gurley's last four games he went against:
Cleveland - 32nd ranked against the run
Cardinals - 8th ranked against the run
Packers - 22nd ranked against the run
49ers - 26th ranked against the run
FYI - Did Gurley put them there or are they just bad and Gurley/Rams take advantage?
Vikings are now ranked 10th against the run as of today in yards against.
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http://www.scout.com/nfl/vikings/forums/1554-purple-thoughts/14251794-rams-board-is-awful-quiet
RAMS BOARD IS AWFUL QUIET
They must all be Cards fans over there.
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Board died years ago - they all switched to another website.
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I think they all moved here: www.ramsondemand.com/forums/rams-nfl-talk.26/
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Holy crap, the homers on that board are some of the worst I have ever seen. I consider myself a Vikings homer but those guys take it to another level.
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I just reviewed some of their threads. Hard to read. Can't say I saw much in the way of this being a game. They expect Gurley to roll all over us and win. Even the Packer boards give us credit for being a threat to them.
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WATCHED REPLAYS OF THE LAST TWO RAMS GAMES
When I started watching I was worried. I am not worried anymore.
Gurley is the real deal. If you miss a tackle on Gurley, he will take it to the house. Good thing is that the Vikes don't miss too many tackles.
Tavon Austin is quick as lightening, but he goes down easy. Not too worried about him returning punts. Locke hasn't allowed anyone to get much return yardage. Vikes special teams are special.
Foles is about the equivalent of Ponder on one of his good days. He isn't bad. He is awful.
Game plan for defense: "Get Foles in third and long." That is all you need to do.
Rams are a very undisciplined team. Penalties galore.
Rams defensive line is very good. Nick Fairley and Aaron Donald are very good, but I am not impressed with their secondary. They gave up yards to Josh McClown and Colin Kaepernick. Playing at home, they let the Browns and the 49ers stay in the game deep into the game, despite the fact that both the Browns and the 49ers did everything in their ability to hand the game the the Rams. Penalties, turnovers, safeties, dropped passes, etc. Those two wins were gift wrapped to the Rams.
The Vikes won't give the game away to the Rams in Minneapolis. The Rams will have to earn a win. The Vikes won't miss tackles and turn the ball over 4 times at home. I just don't see the Rams scoring much.
Game plan for offense: "Don't turn the ball over." Get an early lead and let the Rams try to play catch up.
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And they give up a lot of YAC 143.6 per game
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I'm probably being overconfident, but I think this is one has a chance to be a blowout for the good-guys. Obviously a lot has changed in a year, but the Vikes rocked them pretty hard in last year's opener in their house. They might be better than they were then, but I think the Vikings are clearly better than they were then.
On the other hand, I have said on a couple of occasions that I feel this is a team that will play to the level of their competition, so from that perspective, it could be another close one.
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Would be the 1st win for Zimmer as head coach of the Vikings against a team with a winning record.Here's hoping this is another one we can check off the list.
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Pretty much on point. Aaron Donald is special.
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Stop the run, make Foles beat you and get after him.
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Thanks for the great post and analysis. Containing Gurley is a major key. We held the Bears to less than a hundred rushing yards but Forte and Langford averaged about 4 yards a carry. Gurley is averaging 6.1 yards. From what I can see, unlike Forte, he is not yet a big receiving threat.
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This is going to be a tough game. The Rams DL is legit, they were the first team that made Rodgers uncomfortable (constant pressure, hits, a couple sacks, forcing him into 2 picks) all year.
Granted, we handled Denver a bit better than Green Bay did, but that was without Von Miller, right (where Green Bay had to face him as well).
If the Vikes OL gets dominated by the Rams DL, then Peterson will either need to break one or we'll need a lot of quick passes and broken tackles, and our defense to hold up.
This is far from a gimme game - this will be a physical war.
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Our o-line needs to play very solid, getting holes for AP and protection for TB. If they can keep the jailbreaks to a minimum, we will score more points that the Rams. The defense wont let Girlie break loose and will beat the fluids out of Foles.
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Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware both played against us. They each had a sack and a host of other disruptions.
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http://www.scout.com/nfl/vikings/fo...hts/14252238-who-gets-more-yards-ad-or-gurley
WHO GETS MORE YARDS AD OR GURLEY
I know the answer. As a viking fan i say AD.
Gurley has four consequitive games over 125 yards
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Not against the VIKINGS defense he don't........
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I'm going to go with Gurley but that Teddy has much more passing yards and attempts than Foles.
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I'll go with Gurley. Reminds me of a young AP. Vikes gotta bring their big boy pants for this game.
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...After 2012 there's no way I'm betting against AD.
This is week #8 and about the time AD hits the next gear.
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I hope it is an epic running game by both and AP breaks a long one to win it. I'm tired of all this passing! AP gets 210yrds and 3TDs and Gurley about 140/ 2TDs.
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I think AD will want to show the kid he rules
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Gurley doesnt even look like a 30 year old AP, nevermind a young one. Thats hilarious..
How many more guys are we gonna hear about looking like AP? Nobody is like Peterson or is going to be like Peterson. That much has been established already.
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Gurley, world class speed, elusive, hits hard, I haven't seen a back like
this come into the league in years, and that includes AP.. Not taking anything
away from AP, but this guy is the best in the nfl.
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I am a Gordon fan growing up in Kenosha, WI. But, as much as I like him, I wanted draft Gurley if we traded AD. Gurley like AD and the Seahawks RB, is excellent getting YAC but is also elusive enough to get plenty of yards before contact. He will be best RB in NFL. In fairness to AD, he has a nice line to run behind. AD has few holes with the current line. It wasn't the good prior to lose 2 starters.
He has 226 yards on his 4 longest carries of the last 4 games. He has 575 yards on 94 carries for a nice 6.1 YPC. But take away his longest runs and he is at 349 yards on 92 carries for a 3.8 YPC. I'd rather face a guy that gets one big run and otherwise averaging less than 4 yards/carry which leads to more 3rd downs for our defense. Would suck if he repeatedly was pounding away at 6 yards a pop. That isn't the case. He is somewhat all or nothing statistically but still I love the kid.
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Isn't that true for AD as well (and every RB). If you took away AD's 4 longest runs he would probably be averaging under 3 yds and maybe less.
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I would not be shocked at all if this becomes Peterson's best game of the year. We all know that Peterson is a fierce competitor, and I don't think he's going to let a rookie upstage him.
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Their line is not that good. Its like ours
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Gurley.
He's better.
I said it.
He's a better running back. Not just at this point in his career. He's the first guy to come out since AP that you see run and you go - wow, he's actually better than AP - although you could always argue Marshawn Lynch for best NFL running back, too.
This isn't just Chris Johnson/Jamal Charles/LeShon McCoy type speed/quickness. And while DeMarco Murray is a good running back (not so much this year), he had such a great offensive line that you never really thought - that guy's better than AP.
Some guys "flashed" a few games - Eddy Lacy, Doug Martin. LaVeon Bell flashes, too. Very good running backs. But not "transcendent" running backs.
Gurley is. And right now, barring injury, he looks better, all-around, than Peterson. The Rams got themselves a good one.
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Heard this a million times already, nobodies come close to taking his crown. We'll see how long he can keep this pace up, my guess is he will be lucky to have half the career AP finishes with.
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"Barring injury", Im gonna go out on a limb and say he doesnt make it far enough to even tough Peterson because of injuries.... Takes a special player to be able to bang, year after year and consistently perform. Thats why nobodies taken the crown yet. The man is a beast. Good luck to Gurley but my guess is you fall short like all the others.
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In Gurley's last four games he went against:
Cleveland - 32nd ranked against the run
Cardinals - 8th ranked against the run
Packers - 22nd ranked against the run
49ers - 26th ranked against the run
FYI - Did Gurley put them there or are they just bad and Gurley/Rams take advantage?
Vikings are now ranked 10th against the run as of today in yards against.
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http://www.scout.com/nfl/vikings/forums/1554-purple-thoughts/14251794-rams-board-is-awful-quiet
RAMS BOARD IS AWFUL QUIET
They must all be Cards fans over there.
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Board died years ago - they all switched to another website.
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I think they all moved here: www.ramsondemand.com/forums/rams-nfl-talk.26/
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Holy crap, the homers on that board are some of the worst I have ever seen. I consider myself a Vikings homer but those guys take it to another level.
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I just reviewed some of their threads. Hard to read. Can't say I saw much in the way of this being a game. They expect Gurley to roll all over us and win. Even the Packer boards give us credit for being a threat to them.
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I don't think Peterson will have much to say about it! Our "D" will stop him, and Gurrrrrley will Plow-through the Vikings "D" Line!!
Peterson gets, MAYBE, 75 Yards! Gurley 175 Yards!!:yess:
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Yea, I'm sure no other team is good at tackling either and look how that worked out.
You should be more worried about him in the passing and rushing game.....
And yet his stats are identical to Bridgewater...Would still take him over Foles though.
When will people realize we don't care about giving up yards. between the 20's we let you dink and dunk all you want, then we put on the pressure in the red zone and you might get a fg. Hence why we have the best red zone defense by far.
And howd we let the Browns and whiners stay in the game? Was it by allowing each only two field goals the entire game? Yea...we sure let them stay in the game so deep into the games...outscored them 51-12...
And I bet if the Rams win, he will say the Vikes gave the game away, book it.
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In Gurley's last four games he went against:
Cleveland - 32nd ranked against the run
Cardinals - 8th ranked against the run
Packers - 22nd ranked against the run
49ers - 26th ranked against the run
FYI - Did Gurley put them there or are they just bad and Gurley/Rams take advantage?
Vikings are now ranked 10th against the run as of today in yards against.
Hmm, and in the last four games AD has gone against
Denver - 3rd against the rush AP rushed for 81 yards and 1 td
Kansas City - 19th against the rush AP rushed for 60 yards 0 td's
Detroit - 31st ranked against the rush AP rushed for 98 yards 0 TD's
Bears - 23rd ranked in rush defense AP rushed for 103 yards 0 td's
So yea....Did AP put them there?..........or are they just bad and the rest of your team took advantage of it?.....cough cough....
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You want to stack the box...boom...screen to Austin.(because that doesn't involve the OL pass blocking)
I sure hope we are going to get a heavy dose of TA early and often. When they overcome the shock and adjust, here comes the Gurley man.
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It's a fun little game. We read comments from some Vikings fans who dismiss the Rams and predict a blowout so we defend our team and we're called blind homers on a new level. Fact is every team has homers, every team has realistic fans and every team has very harsh critics of their team. Some fans are smart enough to know this and be able to see it in themselves and others. Some aren't and we get posts like those I quoted. Fact is ROD is some of the harshest critics of the Rams out there. There are some here though also that think no matter what's going on we can win every game.
For the most part from both fan bases I've seen the same thing. We're two very similar teams. Strong defenses, strong run games, strong special teams and passing games that could be better. I fully expect Vikings fans to think they're going to win the game. It's a very even contest. I think the Rams could go in and steal a win on the road. Even Vegas agree's with me. The game started of Vikings +2.5, you get 3 points for being at home putting the Rams a half point favorite on a neutral site.
I think some Vikings fans are wrongly dismissing our secondary, this year it's been a very underrated portion of our team. Our defensive philosophy allows teams to build up some yardage but then when you get into our half of the field it toughens up. When/if you get into the red zone it's a whole other world. Take Arizona for instance, coming into our game there they were 11 of 12 in the red zone. Our game in their stadium? They were 0 for 5. That's the #2 scoring offense in the NFL that we held to field goals until a touchdown late in the game. Fifty five minutes in their own stadium without a touchdown. I only hope their coaching staff is disregarding the Rams as much as some of their fans are.
My prediction for the game? Rams win late 17-16.