What is wrong with Jared Goff?!?

[Elmgrovegnome]

Sure, they should assuming the talent around them is the same.

Its hard for me to believe that anyone would suggest a prime NFL MVP Gurley behind the leagues best Oline BY FAR, with Watkins, Woods and Kupp, with a better offensive staff and more creativity in the playbook in any way compares to what Goff has been working with the past two seasons.

All of this talk about when Goff was good enough in 2018 and when he wasnt... laughable. He was 23 years old and in only his second year in a real offense, his second full season as a starter.
Think about that?
Also, in those games where Goff really struggled, part of that was McVays 11 offense tendencies finally being sniffed out. Yeah Goff played bad in those games but any young QB would have that day at Chicago, the gameplan wasn't ready for the defense. Thats as much on coaching as the QB.

Some people who are correct that Goffs play is a problem of late have been blaming him since before he really deserved it. That's why some Goff supporters like myself aren't too keen on saying "oh yeah they were right all along" because before they were right, they were dead wrong and with an agenda. Right now the agenda is still there only now they have the stats to support themselves too.

I think Mahomes and Lamar mania came and set the league on fire and now people have lost their damn minds about what they should expect from a young QB.
Well Goff entered the league very young with no experience in a pro system. His development was always going to take time. His 7 games his rookie season doesn't even deserve to count.

QBs who play the way he does are going to get beat sometimes and usually losing means some turnovers.

The concerns are the bad decisions. Early in the season he threw the ball away more. Now two games in a row he threw it right to a defensive lineman. He should know not to take those risks. Sure he is trying to make things happen, but knowing when to throw it away is just as important. It’s much better than turnovers that lead to touchdowns. That’s what I’m talking about.

I get that things aren’t the same. They never are. He has less time to throw than in 2018. He’s forced to play with shorter routes and more traffic. But protecting the ball has to have been drilled into his head from day 1. Early this season he was doing it. What changes over the course of a season? His check downs to backs have not been good lately. His accuracy is not what we have seen. Is that’s team problem? It’s a Goff problem.

I was excited when the Tams picked him. I’ve supported him all this time too. But regression in the things he personally has control over is frustrating. He was doing these things in September and most of October. Now he’s not. I hope this game was a turning point. That Niner game should/could have been a 7 point win. The Miami game should have been a win. How many playoff games will we say should have been a win? Wether the team is as good or not he has to take care of what he can control.

I hope he gets refocused, or the coaches can help him through it quickly because they could conceivably miss the playoffs with mistakes like we just saw. 7 wins doesn’t usually get a team to the playoffs.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Chicago has a good defense, Washington has a good defense when Chase Young is on the field, (Chase Young was on the field in the Rams game), Buffalo has a good defense, Philly defense was at full strength and Goff shredded them. The idea he doesnt play well against good defense is silly.

It’s more on good or bad Goff. It all comes down to his mental game and decision making. It’s frustrating to many fans because even this year we have seen him do all of those things right. Throwing the ball away, sliding on runs, setting his feet are all things he has done this year.

 

[Angry Ram]

So is it not possible to be a Goff supporter and yet be concerned about his erratic play as of late???

Asking for a friend...

I mean its really that simple, right? Some people are hell bent in pointing each and every single flaw he has, like its their only mission on this board.

Just take care of the ball, damn lol.

 

[dieterbrock]

It’s more on good or bad Goff. It all comes down to his mental game and decision making. It’s frustrating to many fans because even this year we have seen him do all of those things right. Throwing the ball away, sliding on runs, setting his feet are all things he has done this year.

Bad Goff was 2 games. San Fran and Miami. Both on a short week, after cross country travel, against a team coming off the bye. This board was literally singing Goff's praises after Seattle and Tampa game, and yet after 1 game, it's seemingly back to square 1

 

[Angry Ram]

Here's the Pro Bowl voting page, pretty cool to see all QBs numbers, from best to worst. Cool seeing how most QBs are within a pick or two. Still tho, just take care of the ball. It's happening too frequent the past couple games.

 

[Neil039]

Here's the Pro Bowl voting page, pretty cool to see all QBs numbers, from best to worst. Cool seeing how most QBs are within a pick or two. Still tho, just take care of the ball. It's happening too frequent the past couple games.

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‘That is a good perspective of what’s actually going on.

 

[Tano]

Chicago has a good defense, Washington has a good defense when Chase Young is on the field, (Chase Young was on the field in the Rams game), Buffalo has a good defense, Philly defense was at full strength and Goff shredded them. The idea he doesnt play well against good defense is silly.

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I said he doesn't play well until the second half against good defenses.

I should probably say when he doesn't play well it is usually in the first half versus good defenses. Then in the second half, he and McVay get on board with what needs to be done and then he plays well.

4 times this year we have seen him play poorly in the first half (Buffalo he wasn't horrible in the first half but I wouldn't say he was playing well either) and lost a close game due to a play or two that could easily have gone the other way for us to win those games once he started playing better in the second half.

 

[dieterbrock]

‘That is a good perspective of what’s actually going on.

And further proof of how Mahomes is so head and shoulders above the rest

 

[dieterbrock]

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I said he doesn't play well until the second half against good defenses.

I should probably say when he doesn't play well it is usually in the first half versus good defenses. Then in the second half, he and McVay get on board with what needs to be done and then he plays well.

4 times this year we have seen him play poorly in the first half (Buffalo he wasn't horrible in the first half but I wouldn't say he was playing well either) and lost a close game due to a play or two that could easily have gone the other way for us to win those games once he started playing better in the second half.

Chicago, Washington and Philly Goff was good in 1st half. And he was phenomenal against Buffalo in the 2nd half. Its conversations like this that I find so frustrating. Minimizing his efforts to fit a narrative. Yes, he was terrible against San Fran and Miami, why does it need to be a bigger issue than that? Geesh

 

[Tano]

And further proof of how Mahomes is so head and shoulders above the rest

Yeah he is extremely good but damn he has a very good to great supporting cast.

I like Higbee but he isn't Kelce.

And Goff doesn't have a Tyreek. The one thing that is missing from our offense that if we could get would make Goff a very good QB imho.

 

[Tano]

Chicago, Washington and Philly Goff was good in 1st half. And he was phenomenal against Buffalo in the 2nd half. Its conversations like this that I find so frustrating. Minimizing his efforts to fit a narrative. Yes, he was terrible against San Fran and Miami, why does it need to be a bigger issue than that? Geesh

Because Goff was not terrible in the second half against those two teams except for the first series against SF and I hate that play call everytime I see it. He wasn't great but he wasn't terrible and almost brought us back all 3 games. Well the defense brought us back against the last SF game but Goff didn't blow it either in the second half after that pick. A couple plays go either way and we get a field goal with SF needing a field goal to tie us. That third and one play is a perfect example. One missed block and we don't make it. I think if we make it, we move down enough for us to make a field goal.

 

[Angry Ram]

And further proof of how Mahomes is so head and shoulders above the rest

The thing that got me was Josh Allen. The dude has been praised (and rightfully) so, but he only has 8 more yards? Sure, he has more total TDs. But as far as TOs go, 8 picks and 5 lost fumbles. 5 TOs the last 4 games.

I think holding each QB to a high standard to minimize mistakes should apply to all QBs, but it just amazes me where some fans put all their energy into.

 

[dieterbrock]

The thing that got me was Josh Allen. The dude has been praised (and rightfully) so, but he only has 8 more yards? Sure, he has more total TDs. But as far as TOs go, 8 picks and 5 lost fumbles. 5 TOs the last 4 games.

I think holding each QB to a high standard to minimize mistakes should apply to all QBs, but it just amazes me where some fans put all their energy into.

Funny, I was looking at his numbers and thinking same. He went thru a 4 game stretch where he had 5 turnovers and the team scored only 75 points (18.8 ppg) going 2-2. I dont imagine they were calling for Barkley to get snaps in Buffalo...

 

[GoodBadUgly]

The concerns are the bad decisions. Early in the season he threw the ball away more. Now two games in a row he threw it right to a defensive lineman.

To be fair, the latest INT/pick-6 was absolutely his fault as his target was triple covered. The TB INT was not his fault at all. He had 4 lineman ready to block for Henderson, only one defender nearby, then Henderson doesn't turn around. Instead, he darts off away from his blockers and the ball gets thrown directly to the only defender within 10 yards.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. It is a disturbing trend that Goff sometimes seems to go to a target that he decides upon pre-snap and doesn't adjust to what the D does post-snap. But I have hopes he gets better with more exp. Yes, he's been in the league for a few years now, but he is mid-20s and I'm still a believer he'll get better at this. What is really of concern to me is the downtrend in his accuracy. He's missed wide open targets at times. If he makes even an average throw, we win at least 3 of these 4 losses.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Bad Goff was 2 games. San Fran and Miami. Both on a short week, after cross country travel, against a team coming off the bye. This board was literally singing Goff's praises after Seattle and Tampa game, and yet after 1 game, it's seemingly back to square 1

He was bad in the first half of Buffalo too. I was singing his praises a few weeks ago, but on a not so perfect roster he cannot afford to be inconsistent.
And if you can’t get up for your best game against your teams most hated rival then who do you play your best against?

I hope it’s just a bump in the road and Goff can play up to the best of his abilities moving forward.

 

[So Ram]

Yeah he is extremely good but damn he has a very good to great supporting cast.

I like Higbee but he isn't Kelce.

And Goff doesn't have a Tyreek. The one thing that is missing from our offense that if we could get would make Goff a very good QB imho.

Higbee was playing hurt. He bobbled a catch The Rams needed.

Gerald Everett reminds me of The Rams TE’s of the past Lance Kendricks.
Drops to many passes.I’d say smarter & a better blocker than Cook

 

[Malibu]

Fix the OL and Goff MAGICALLY performs great.

So many posts concentrate on Goff's performance, sure he has to shoulder some of the blame like sliding head first, seeing the field better when something is not there throw it away etc.

But the truth is the run game against better defenses is not there and that is purely the OLs fault.

I saw a pass chart every completed pass was within 10 yards if the LOS. What that means Goff doesn't have the time to throw which means the OL is not giving him the time. Hence passes leaving his hand in 2 seconds or less. So defenses are clogging the field close to the LOS making it harder to complete those passes. We see DEs dropping back in coverage clogging to he throwing lanes more.

Have you noticed the size of the Rams pocket definitely not what Goff had in 17 & 18. Same with the time to throw is way shorter. Run blocking was way superior to now. All those factors tell me it is the OL that is the problem.

Me I would keep a TE or Back in on every pass play. I would use a fullback some of the times. 3-1 or 3-2 I would run more.

Lastly if I was Goff I would start improvising more little more school yard not so rigid on each play. The success of Mahommes is his improvising.

 

[dieterbrock]

He was bad in the first half of Buffalo too. I was singing his praises a few weeks ago, but on a not so perfect roster he cannot afford to be inconsistent.
And if you can’t get up for your best game against your teams most hated rival then who do you play your best against?

I hope it’s just a bump in the road and Goff can play up to the best of his abilities moving forward.

A bad half? Happens to all of them. He played great in the 2nd half and would have been credited with a historical comeback if the D could have stopped Buffalo on 4th down. But they didnt, and now the game is remembered for him having a bad half? (Also of note the team flew to the west coast, and back to east coast in 4 or 5 day period) Whenever I hear talk about Frank Reich bringing the Bills back from 35-3 down to beat the Oilers, I never hear how poorly he played in the first half, and how his pick 6 gave the Oilers that 35-3 lead. Strange.
Goff has played great against the 49ers and they lost, played poorly but team still had a 3 point lead late, and they still lost. I dont think getting up for the game is the issue

 

[badnews]

The concerns are the bad decisions. Early in the season he threw the ball away more. Now two games in a row he threw it right to a defensive lineman. He should know not to take those risks. Sure he is trying to make things happen, but knowing when to throw it away is just as important. It’s much better than turnovers that lead to touchdowns. That’s what I’m talking about.

I get that things aren’t the same. They never are. He has less time to throw than in 2018. He’s forced to play with shorter routes and more traffic. But protecting the ball has to have been drilled into his head from day 1. Early this season he was doing it. What changes over the course of a season? His check downs to backs have not been good lately. His accuracy is not what we have seen. Is that’s team problem? It’s a Goff problem.

I was excited when the Tams picked him. I’ve supported him all this time too. But regression in the things he personally has control over is frustrating. He was doing these things in September and most of October. Now he’s not. I hope this game was a turning point. That Niner game should/could have been a 7 point win. The Miami game should have been a win. How many playoff games will we say should have been a win? Wether the team is as good or not he has to take care of what he can control.

I hope he gets refocused, or the coaches can help him through it quickly because they could conceivably miss the playoffs with mistakes like we just saw. 7 wins doesn’t usually get a team to the playoffs.

Despite the back and forth on this thread and how it might read.. I am on the same page.

Goffs issues that are upsetting right now are those errors that only he can control. He isn't doing a good enough job. Full stop.

Where I might differ from some others is that I'm not as alarmed by it as they are and my confidence in him as our long term answer at QB in the big picture is still very strong.

 

[So Ram]

Fix the OL and Goff MAGICALLY performs great.

So many posts concentrate on Goff's performance, sure he has to shoulder some of the blame like sliding head first, seeing the field better when something is not there throw it away etc.

But the truth is the run game against better defenses is not there and that is purely the OLs fault.

I saw a pass chart every completed pass was within 10 yards if the LOS. What that means Goff doesn't have the time to throw which means the OL is not giving him the time. Hence passes leaving his hand in 2 seconds or less. So defenses are clogging the field close to the LOS making it harder to complete those passes. We see DEs dropping back in coverage clogging to he throwing lanes more.

Have you noticed the size of the Rams pocket definitely not what Goff had in 17 & 18. Same with the time to throw is way shorter. Run blocking was way superior to now. All those factors tell me it is the OL that is the problem.

Me I would keep a TE or Back in on every pass play. I would use a fullback some of the times. 3-1 or 3-2 I would run more.

Lastly if I was Goff I would start improvising more little more school yard not so rigid on each play. The success of Mahommes is his improvising.

LMAO - are kidding? Jared Goff improvise?

What is this a Blue Font or comedy post? Geez!!

Mahomes & Goff are totally 2 different style QB’s. Once Jared roles out to his right there is no turning back.He never slows down,maybe very seldom if at all because he has all day to throw. -Sad at how slow he is from a start & stop stand point.

Goff in the pocket does not have a great feel for the pass rush. He does get through his reads quickly,but has trouble going back to his reads.

Is the Offensive Line play very well? NO!! This Offensive Line is young & has good depth. They are an average group, and haven’t been blamed all that much. The Big Noteboom can’t play Guard was the Biggest Complaint.