What is wrong with Jared Goff?!?

[majrleaged]

Goff threw for 32 TDs in 2018, while we ran the ball a TON in the red zone. Gurley had 17 rushing TDs. So yea don't buy this narrative at all.

Difference is we would hit MULTIPLE deep passes a game. We've hit one deep TD this entire year, and we only hit 1 last year. Lots of misses down the field by Goff every week. This was an elite part of his game in 2017/2018 that seems to have fallen off a cliff. He would hardly miss on the deep shots before, now he cant hit one to save his life it seems. Hope this improves as the season goes along, but hard to be optimistic given the trend for the past 2 years honestly.

We need to focus on running the ball more and sticking with it to take the pressure off him. Akers needs to get 20 touches a week going forward, he's our best RB hands down. Play Henderson on 3rd down for his pass blocking and get Malcom off the field.

I'm telling you man, models have a lot of time on there hands. That can put pressure on the boyfriend to be available. He has not been the same since he started dating her, right around the KC game.

 

[jacktheripper85]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o7f3Myw8a_0

 

[RentonRamsFan]

First forum related post, so please be gentle I was thinking about the Niners game, and Goff in general. As a fan who watches games on TV, you don't get to see the full picture really, i.e. how the receivers are being covered, so I may be speculating quite a bit here. Though I did read somewhere (can't remember where) that Kupp was getting very little separation that day. So my thinking was that the Buccaneers game was pretty much the Woods+Kupp show - they were open all night and couldn't be stopped. Perhaps the game plan was to do more of that against the Niners. However, the Niners probably decided to take away both Woods and Kupp, and see if Goff could make that 2nd and 3rd read, which it seemed like he couldn't. Take the pick 6 for example, if you watch where Goff was going, it was to Kupp who was already double covered - triple if you include the lineman who dropped back and actually intercepted the ball. I guess what I'm suggesting is that maybe the Rams need to spread the ball more, and design more plays where Woods/Kupp are just decoys. Maybe a good example is the Seahawks game, where Reynolds led the team in receiving, and the RBs scored 3 TDs. Again, with the caveat that I don't have access to All-22 or anything like that to see the whole field.

 

[NJRamsFan]

First forum related post, so please be gentle I was thinking about the Niners game, and Goff in general. As a fan who watches games on TV, you don't get to see the full picture really, i.e. how the receivers are being covered, so I may be speculating quite a bit here. Though I did read somewhere (can't remember where) that Kupp was getting very little separation that day. So my thinking was that the Buccaneers game was pretty much the Woods+Kupp show - they were open all night and couldn't be stopped. Perhaps the game plan was to do more of that against the Niners. However, the Niners probably decided to take away both Woods and Kupp, and see if Goff could make that 2nd and 3rd read, which it seemed like he couldn't. Take the pick 6 for example, if you watch where Goff was going, it was to Kupp who was already double covered - triple if you include the lineman who dropped back and actually intercepted the ball. I guess what I'm suggesting is that maybe the Rams need to spread the ball more, and design more plays where Woods/Kupp are just decoys. Maybe a good example is the Seahawks game, where Reynolds led the team in receiving, and the RBs scored 3 TDs. Again, with the caveat that I don't have access to All-22 or anything like that to see the whole field.

Welcome aboard!

 

[badnews]

First forum related post, so please be gentle I was thinking about the Niners game, and Goff in general. As a fan who watches games on TV, you don't get to see the full picture really, i.e. how the receivers are being covered, so I may be speculating quite a bit here. Though I did read somewhere (can't remember where) that Kupp was getting very little separation that day. So my thinking was that the Buccaneers game was pretty much the Woods+Kupp show - they were open all night and couldn't be stopped. Perhaps the game plan was to do more of that against the Niners. However, the Niners probably decided to take away both Woods and Kupp, and see if Goff could make that 2nd and 3rd read, which it seemed like he couldn't. Take the pick 6 for example, if you watch where Goff was going, it was to Kupp who was already double covered - triple if you include the lineman who dropped back and actually intercepted the ball. I guess what I'm suggesting is that maybe the Rams need to spread the ball more, and design more plays where Woods/Kupp are just decoys. Maybe a good example is the Seahawks game, where Reynolds led the team in receiving, and the RBs scored 3 TDs. Again, with the caveat that I don't have access to All-22 or anything like that to see the whole field.

Nice post. Welcome to the finest football message board around.

 

[Mackeyser]

First forum related post, so please be gentle I was thinking about the Niners game, and Goff in general. As a fan who watches games on TV, you don't get to see the full picture really, i.e. how the receivers are being covered, so I may be speculating quite a bit here. Though I did read somewhere (can't remember where) that Kupp was getting very little separation that day. So my thinking was that the Buccaneers game was pretty much the Woods+Kupp show - they were open all night and couldn't be stopped. Perhaps the game plan was to do more of that against the Niners. However, the Niners probably decided to take away both Woods and Kupp, and see if Goff could make that 2nd and 3rd read, which it seemed like he couldn't. Take the pick 6 for example, if you watch where Goff was going, it was to Kupp who was already double covered - triple if you include the lineman who dropped back and actually intercepted the ball. I guess what I'm suggesting is that maybe the Rams need to spread the ball more, and design more plays where Woods/Kupp are just decoys. Maybe a good example is the Seahawks game, where Reynolds led the team in receiving, and the RBs scored 3 TDs. Again, with the caveat that I don't have access to All-22 or anything like that to see the whole field.

Welcome and excellent first post!

 

[dieterbrock]

On the model girlfriend thing...
If you're a 25 year old starting QB in the NFL with a 100 mill contract and you DONT have a supermodel girlfriend?
You're not doing it right

 

[Angry Ram]

First forum related post, so please be gentle I was thinking about the Niners game, and Goff in general. As a fan who watches games on TV, you don't get to see the full picture really, i.e. how the receivers are being covered, so I may be speculating quite a bit here. Though I did read somewhere (can't remember where) that Kupp was getting very little separation that day. So my thinking was that the Buccaneers game was pretty much the Woods+Kupp show - they were open all night and couldn't be stopped. Perhaps the game plan was to do more of that against the Niners. However, the Niners probably decided to take away both Woods and Kupp, and see if Goff could make that 2nd and 3rd read, which it seemed like he couldn't. Take the pick 6 for example, if you watch where Goff was going, it was to Kupp who was already double covered - triple if you include the lineman who dropped back and actually intercepted the ball. I guess what I'm suggesting is that maybe the Rams need to spread the ball more, and design more plays where Woods/Kupp are just decoys. Maybe a good example is the Seahawks game, where Reynolds led the team in receiving, and the RBs scored 3 TDs. Again, with the caveat that I don't have access to All-22 or anything like that to see the whole field.

Nah, you don't know how it works.

You have to criticize to no end, especially the week after a loss.

After a W, you don't post.

Now that you know, welcome

 

[Rams77]

I didnt read this whole thread but one thing that completely baffles me-Where the hell has Tyler Higbee been since that game against Buffalo?? He had like 3 TDs in week 2 and after his hot finish last year was on his way to becoming a star. Is he injured, has he regressed or is it just Goff not seeing the entire field?

 

[TexasRam]

I didnt read this whole thread but one thing that completely baffles me-Where the hell has Tyler Higbee been since that game against Buffalo?? He had like 3 TDs in week 2 and after his hot finish last year was on his way to becoming a star. Is he injured, has he regressed or is it just Goff not seeing the entire field?

Yea Higbee has been hurt. From what I can tell he was still not ready to roll vs SF though he played. He was a game time decision but was terrible vs SF. He failed to block Armstead at all on a critical 3rd and 1 and then later on dropped a critical pass right in his hands.

Regarding Kupp and Woods, The Niners DB’s and linebackers were getting away with holding our WR’s
All game. This became very clear when I rewatched them game. Our WR coach needs to coach them to start barking about this and putting their hands up to draw attention to it. Since they didn’t it carried on all game and not one flag was called.


Also, as NFL network pointed out. The biggest problem right now is Mcvay has got away from the QB rollouts where Goff is most efficient. This is where Higbee needs to be involved.

Per Bucky Brooks..

To his credit, Goff took the comments in stride, saying he has "a great relationship" with McVay and can handle criticism. But given the four-game slump, what's going on with No. 16?

Studying the All-22 Coaches Film, the quarterback is solid with his footwork and fundamentals when operating from a clean pocket. Goff sets up quickly and delivers dimes when he isn't under pressure. He continues to display masterful ball-handling and execution on play-action fakes, and fires the ball to his receivers within the strike zone on intermediate throws between the numbers. When Goff is able to play in rhythm, he is as good as any quarterback in football.
That said, the veteran has struggled when opponents disrupt the timing of the Rams' passing game through pressure or tight coverage. As a play-action-heavy team, the Rams rely on deception to create easy opportunities for the quarterback. The combination of offensive line movement and ball fakes lures second-level defenders to the line of scrimmage, leaving huge voids for Goff to exploit on an assortment of mid-range routes. The tactics worked brilliantly during the first half of the season, with Goff connecting on 69.2 percent of his play-action passes over the opening eight games, posting sparkling numbers across the board: 8.8 yards per attempt, 6:0 TD-to-INT ratio, 115.7 passer rating. Goff was able to generate outstanding production via play-action while only tossing the ball an average of 6.4 air yards per attempt.
Over the past three games, though, he has completed just 63.3 percent of his throws off play-action, with slashed figures everywhere else, too: 7.0 yards per attempt, 0:3 TD-to-INT ratio, 44.7 passer rating. Goff is actually averaging 8.3 air yards per attempt, but posting significantly diminished returns. Why?
McVay has changed his play-calling emphasis to feature more traditional play-action passes instead of the stretch-bootleg combinations that were so effective earlier in the season. During the first four weeks of the season, per Next Gen Stats, the Rams' play-action stretched outside of the tackle box on 28.3 percent of play-action dropbacks. Since Week 5, that figure has dropped to 19.5 percent. The decrease in movement passes (bootlegs/nakeds) is puzzling, based on Goff's efficiency and effectiveness on such plays this season.
Just check out this breakdown of Goff's play-action production in 2020, courtesy of NGS:
Table inside Article

	Dropbacks	Comp pct	Yds per att	TD-to-INT	Passer rating
PA inside tackle box	105	64.4	7.8	4:3	88.9
PA outside tackle box	32	80.0	10.6	2:0	133.2

What does that tell us? McVay deserves blame here, too, for failing to put his quarterback in the best position to succeed. The coach should consider utilizing more bootlegs and naked passes to get his quarterback into a groove.
The stretch-bootleg concepts create hesitation for the defense, giving Goff layups in the flat (bootlegs frequently feature an eligible receiver in the flat with an intermediate crosser working across the field at 10-to-12 yards). The catch-and-run nature of these completions enables the quarterback to pick up cheap yards on throws that travel fewer than 5 yards. Given Goff's effectiveness and efficiency in executing bootlegs, it makes sense for the Rams to scheme them up more to help the QB1 repair his confidence over the next few weeks.

As a quarterback who is heavily reliant on his play-caller to craft a plan that gives him the best chance to succeed, Goff's failures are really a byproduct of McVay not being on his game. If the offensive wizard wants his QB1 to perform better down the stretch, it is on him to maximize Goff's strengths, instead of calling a series of plays that highlight some of the 26-year-old's deficiencies as a rhythm passer

Regarding the interception to Kinlaw, rewatch the tape. Goff was hit as he was throwing. That is not on the QB in any universe. The fumble and overthrow interception to Higbee was on Goff.

 

[RentonRamsFan]

Yea Higbee has been hurt. From what I can tell he was still not ready to roll vs SF though he played. He was a game time decision but was terrible vs SF. He failed to block Armstead at all on a critical 3rd and 1 and then later on dropped a critical pass right in his hands.

Regarding Kupp and Woods, The Niners DB’s and linebackers were getting away with holding our WR’s
All game. This became very clear when I rewatched them game. Our WR coach needs to coach them to start barking about this and putting their hands up to draw attention to it. Since they didn’t it carried on all game and not one flag was called.


Also, as NFL network pointed out. The biggest problem right now is Mcvay has got away from the QB rollouts where Goff is most efficient. This is where Higbee needs to be involved.

Per Bucky Brooks..



Regarding the interception to Kinlaw, rewatch the tape. Goff was hit as he was throwing. That is not on the QB in any universe. The fumble and overthrow interception to Higbee was on Goff.

Awesome post, and totally respect your opinions. IMO, the interception to Kinlaw was on Goff - sure, he was hit, but I think he was going to Kupp who was double covered - problem #1. And problem #2, the pressure came right up the middle, so he definitely saw it - you don't force a throw to a double covered receiver knowing you're probably going to get hit. The smart play is to tuck it in and take a sack and move on to the next play.

Here's a good view of the play and how I came to my conclusions:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq1H2WUZupo

 

[Aulac]

On the model girlfriend thing...
If you're a 25 year old starting QB in the NFL with a 100 mill contract and you DONT have a supermodel girlfriend?
You're not doing it right

Do you think she can make enough money so Goff can take a discount alas Tom Brady and the Patriots?

 

[rdlkgliders]

He is a high midpak to top 3rd QB 8 -14. Great tools poor head at times. lacks urgency and awareness. Still a fair 1st round pick and in time the 100 mil may seem fair. For those of us wanting a top 5 I just don't think that is a real possibility without mental growth which is unlikely since his short comings seem to be directly tied to his personality.

Not thrilled and not giving up

 

[rdlkgliders]

I think some people underestimate the OL we had in 2017-18. They could move people out of the way for a big explosive back (Gurley, Chungus), and gave JG a lot of space on passing downs.

View: https://youtu.be/rPe2PdCxtcA

I agree in part on this however the excellent to great QB's will find a way to develop at a faster rate than the tangential challenges posed and presented by the changing dynamics of his team and the league. There are examples I am sure but most Great QB's will not have huge drop offs and certainly not in back to back seasons. I understand the term huge is certainly objectively based.

 

[KayJay]

Warner forecasts NFL futures for Jared Goff, Carson Wentz

NFL Network's Kurt Warner forecasts NFL futures for Los Angeles Rams quarterback Jared Goff and Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz.

www.sportingnews.com

 

[badnews]

If the only thing you'll be pleased with is a bona-fide top-5 Quarterback that will carry the team to a bunch of Lombardi trophies, #16 isn't that guy yet and it's possible he may never be.
On the other hand, if you would be thrilled to have a young, healthy and talented QB who will win a bunch of games and put us in the conversation, Goff can be that guy. He is that guy.

He's not the Ol' Gunslinger, running down the field fist bumping the air every time he completes a 3rd down. He's not intense like Tom The Bitch Brady and he isn't going to chew out his WRs or call his plays at the line like Peyton Manning. Jareds laid back nature might affect his play - but our team has great chemistry and respect for each other and the QBs personality is a big part of that mix. These guys all play for each other and that's priceless.

Another thing Goff has going for him: Sean McVay believes in him. McVay could have brought in his own QBs and he could have told the Rams not to lock him up. He did the opposite, he bought stock in Jared Goff and I trust McVays judgment.

2020 might not be the best year for judging anyone. Some guys depend on their routines.

After his rookie season under Fisher was finally, mercifully over, Goff looked into the cameras and promised that he would keep working and he would get better.
His word was good, he clearly worked very hard and he came back the next season and did great for a raw young QB. He was not only learning the fundamentals of the pro-offense but a new playbook too. That showed a lot of dedication, imo.

Lastly, despite his early nerves and Belichicks great game plan in the SB, #16 did his job and made one of his best throws for a should-be TD to tie the game up with under 5 min left in the 4th.
If Brandin Cooks could have helped out his QB more at the end of this game, this whole thread could be about a kid with one SB ring already.


View: https://youtu.be/D8NPxLc12Y8

 

[Karate61]

Difference is we would hit MULTIPLE deep passes a game. We've hit one deep TD this entire year, and we only hit 1 last year. Lots of misses down the field by Goff every week. This was an elite part of his game in 2017/2018 that seems to have fallen off a cliff. He would hardly miss on the deep shots before, now he cant hit one to save his life it seems. Hope this improves as the season goes along, but hard to be optimistic given the trend for the past 2 years honestly.

This has become "another" sad part of Goff's game. The guy can't throw deep any longer. Why not? Sure makes the offense more predictable and easier to defend when you're not worrying about balls being tossed down field.

Why though? Has McVay lost confidence in Goff, or has Goff become gun shy, and stays away from going deep?

This year's offense has become B O R I N G!

 

[TexasRam]

For the most part Kurt's evaluation reflects reality as it stands today, as the media has described it.

I am a massive Warner fan so don't get me wrong.

But Warner had 2 Hall of Fame WR's and a Hall of fame RB in the one Super Bowl he won.

When Warner played the same Patriots coach in the Super Bowl that Goff did, Warner didn't carry his team. He had an entire Pro Bowl Roster of WR's and couldn't carry his team.

Warner's default when blitzed was to dump it off to Faulk and lucky for Warner, Faulk not only was an incredible WR but he could take the ball down the field for massive gains. Holt and Bruce were perennial Pro bowlers. Even without Warner they were.

The one thing Warner as an analyst often fails at is context. It really shows up here.

Warner has the same QB rating as Goff yet played with the most talented offense probably of all time.

How did Russell Wilson do when we shut down his WR Metcalf? Did he "Carry the team"?

Why did Aaron Rodgers score 3 pts vs the same team Goff torched? Did he "Carry the team"?

The History don't fit the narrative when we take a minute to analyze it.

 

[nighttrain]

" Another thing Goff has going for him: Sean McVay believes in him. McVay could have brought in his own QBs and he could have told the Rams not to lock him up. He did the opposite, he bought stock in Jared Goff and I trust McVays judgment. "

 

[Ewe83]

I wish I knew why Jared had games like last week, I suspect several things are at play in that but yeah it's frustrating, he looks amazing one week and pedestrian the next, this is why my biggest problem with him is consistency. I don't think it's all on him and I think having a new QB coach every year or I think it's been every year probably doesn't help things. I'm very disappointed about last week, but Jared is still my guy. Hope he shows up with the world beater attitude today