The Goff Thread

[payote75]

Did Goff steal your boyfriend?

Any of us can make this place suck by being assholes to each other.

There's been a weird, very un-ROD like spirit of shit talking and trolling that hasn't been missed around here since LA Champ was talking about tractors.

Goffs not old or damaged. He's our QB for now. If he's not good enough this year, then McVay needs to figure out why and fix it for next year.
If Goff can play the way he has before used, he can again. Call me crazy but I think having better deep threats and better QB coaching probably made Goff a better QB? Having a great run game probably also helped a lot.. I think it's probably hard to pass against a top 10 defense and division rival when they are shutting down the run and taking away Kupp, meanwhile it would be cool if our TEs could be consistent threats for these types of games but nah.. its all on Goff and he was off. He came out crisp, accurate... then the shit started sliding like deck chairs on the titanic...

That's just an odd comment lmao... and there always can be some debating and some asshole comments especially after a loss but typically out of my million posts it doesn't get to that level often and it wasn't that harsh it was said more because it was insinuated that I was attacking goff on a personal level insulting him but like mature adults we cleared it Upanishads @jrry32 is usually a great poster so it happens to the best of us and sometimes it's just a misunderstanding. Mediation usually adds to the problem lolol but I agree with you. We all want the same thing here and that's a Rams Super Bowl ring. That being said we will disagree a lot and sometimes say the wrong thing or say something out of anger but you will never catch me troll anyone everyone's it's a reaction to someone taking the first shot. I respect people to much but will lose that when I feel attacked or dire specter or talked down to. I treat people the way I want to be treated simple rule in life.

Oh and even though I don't lean that way I'd lean that way and make goff my boyfriend for some of that exorbantent contract lmao.....what a life lol.

 

[Karate61]

Football smarts? Total B.S. in my opinion. Especially as a player. As a player, you are not creating, but rather executing.

And I'm sorry, but nothing in football can't be learned and INTEGRATED!

That's the problem with QBs playing poorly. They don't study and/or practice enough to do well. Look at the great ones. Their the 1st to arrive and last to leave. They make the effort to learn and integrate.

Look at Michael Vick. There's video of him showing us how he'd toss his weekly playbooks in the trunk of his car and never studied them. After Atlanta, he learned he needed to study and integrate to play at his optimal level, and did well as a quarterback post Atlanta.

Once you integrate, you don't have to "think". You can do other things, like study the field and the coverages while executing the plays.

In martial arts we did tons of Kata. For those that don't know, katas are forms; a series of moves strung together that can last from 15 seconds to over two minutes. After we learned and integrated them through study, our teacher would challenge us.

Our teacher would talk to us and ask us questions, etc. as we did our forms. I could have a full conversation while simultaneously doing my forms. That's integration!

I think it's obvious Goff doesn't study enough and doesn't integrate, and therefore doesn't execute often. I think Goff doesn't make the effort to be great, not that he's not smart enough to do so.

This shit pisses me off, btw. He's a multimillion dollar player. He's not making the effort to be great. He's out there guessing. Sometimes he guesses right, and others wrong. That's a loser I just described!

Goff is a loser...get rid of him! He doesn't appreciate and work hard enough to be a quality QB, and maybe never will.

 

[badnews]

Next year, with Brady hopefully done and Goff, coming off another winning season and probably another playoff win under his belt (yeah I'm calling a PO win and will stake all of my ROD cash against anyone willing to match it), comes back as the winningest QB of the previous 5 seasons - it's going to make some of yall go absolutely crazy and I really can't wait to enjoy that.

Goff had a bad game, this has been a bad season for him but he isn't a fucking bum.
Gtfoh.
If you want to call our players names, at the very least do it in the vent thread or do it in the GDT. Please re-read the ROD rules if you need to freshen up on when its cool to call our players names...

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

LOL here it is https://www.therams.com/video/sean-mcvay-reacts-to-rams-week-12-loss-to-49ers

You know games like this when we should win 100% have to just eat at McVay because he's so ultra competitive.

Thanks. McVay was pissed. You could really see it when he mentioned that the QB just needs to take care of the football the first time. I thought his head was going to pop.

Goff needs more angry McVay. Hopefully Sean lays into him.

I wonder if Goff has turned into one of these guys that lost the fire now that he has the life with a hotter girl than he could ever dream off if he’s a normal Joe and then the house,the money,etc...

He played with more fire two years ago. Now he comes in on some games like he is just going through the paces. You can always tell what kind of game it will be after Goff’s first series. It has to be very frustrating and deflating for the rest of the offense. I wanted the Rams to pick him but he just doesn’t seem like a leader. He doesn’t talk like a leader.He doesn’t carry himself like a leader.

 

[badnews]

Football smarts? Total B.S. in my opinion. Especially as a player. As a player, you are not creating, but rather executing.

And I'm sorry, but nothing in football can't be learned and INTEGRATED!

That's the problem with QBs playing poorly. They don't study and/or practice enough to do well. Look at the great ones. Their the 1st to arrive and last to leave. They make the effort to learn and integrate.

Look at Michael Vick. There's video of him showing us how he'd toss his weekly playbooks in the trunk of his car and never studied them. After Atlanta, he learned he needed to study and integrate to play at his optimal level, and did well as a quarterback post Atlanta.

Once you integrate, you don't have to "think". You can do other things, like study the field and the coverages while executing the plays.

In martial arts we did tons of Kata. For those that don't know, katas are forms; a series of moves strung together that can last from 15 seconds to over two minutes. After we learned and integrated them through study, our teacher would challenge us.

Our teacher would talk to us and ask us questions, etc. as we did our forms. I could have a full conversation while simultaneously doing my forms. That's integration!

I think it's obvious Goff doesn't study enough and doesn't integrate, and therefore doesn't execute often. I think Goff doesn't make the effort to be great, not that he's not smart enough to do so.

This shit pisses me off, btw. He's a multimillion dollar player. He's not making the effort to be great. He's out there guessing. Sometimes he guesses right, and others wrong. That's a loser I just described!

Goff is a loser...get rid of him! He doesn't appreciate and work hard enough to be a quality QB, and maybe never will.

Dude. I know its hard to watch but I don't believe for a second that Goff isn't putting in the work because he doesn't care. He's more likely fucking up because he's trying to hard to make something happen.
That tends to happen when the team hasn't been effective running the ball for weeks now. Same time Goffs ints skyrocketed.

Those games he was hitting his 1st 12 passes to 6 different guys: that doesn't happen for QBs who aren't putting in the work. I love your posts dude, but I think you're maybe letting the frustration cloud your perception a little.
Just like we made a bad choice at ST coordinator, maybe we made a bad choice in our QB coaching decision too?

Goff has to play better and he usually does. Consistency is the key, He's still going to be our QB next year so might as well try to focus on what needs to happen to get him playing at his best imo.

 

[jrry32]

Right okay dude.
I'm sure guys like Lafleur and Taylor and Watkins and Cooks aren't missed and the other QBs out there throwing to Tyreek Hill or Mike Evans or Mike Thomas or DeAndre Hopkins or Devante Adam's or DK Metcalf ... all of them would still be better than Goff if they didn't have those guys, right?
Russell Wilson doesn't need a good run game? I've seen that dude have games like Goffs today, the bum...

I want to see more of Van Jefferson. I hope he's ready mentally. Reynolds plays well every now and then, but he's just not consistent or physical enough. If Van can create separation like Woods and Kupp, he'll make things very difficult for DBs. I think he can do that. I hope McVay gives him some more opportunities after Reynolds's piss poor effort this week. Having a third guy to give DBs heartburn will only make this offense better.

 

[jrry32]

Thanks. McVay was pissed. You could really see it when he mentioned that the QB just needs to take care of the football the first time. I thought his head was going to pop.

Goff needs more angry McVay. Hopefully Sean lays into him.

I wonder if Goff has turned into one of these guys that lost the fire now that he has the life with a hotter girl than he could ever dream off if he’s a normal Joe and then the house,the money,etc...

He played with more fire two years ago. Now he comes in on some games like he is just going through the paces. You can always tell what kind of game it will be after Goff’s first series. It has to be very frustrating and deflating for the rest of the offense. I wanted the Rams to pick him but he just doesn’t seem like a leader. He doesn’t talk like a leader.He doesn’t carry himself like a leader.

Goff started this game 6/6 for like 70 yards. This idea that you can tell from the first series just isn't accurate. He looked sharp early. And then things went to shit.

 

[TexasRam]

Goff started this game 6/6 for like 70 yards. This idea that you can tell from the first series just isn't accurate. He looked sharp early. And then things went to shit.

I think he was referring to the Brown fumble which was clearly Goff's fault. If Goff was a leader he wouldn't have allowed Brown to fumble.

 

[jrry32]

Also, where were the fucking bootlegs? We ran one early that resulted in a long throw to Woods. We ran at least one or two others. None were negative plays. Those bootlegs have proven very effective against SF. I don't know why we're so quick to go away from them. They play to Goff's strengths.

 

[gabriel18]

Here’s proof your wrong.

Chicago
Seattle
Tampa

Mahomes vs the same defense had 160 yards passing and the same abysmal performance until a Tyreek Hill got wide open down field and mahomes lobbed it up.

The Niners defense is simply that good with Sherman. It’s why they were in the Super Bowl.

Chicago and Tampa got pummeled by good QB’s today.
49ers are a shell of the super bowl team.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Next year, with Brady hopefully done and Goff, coming off another winning season and probably another playoff win under his belt (yeah I'm calling a PO win and will stake all of my ROD cash against anyone willing to match it), comes back as the winningest QB of the previous 5 seasons - it's going to make some of yall go absolutely crazy and I really can't wait to enjoy that.

Goff had a bad game, this has been a bad season for him but he isn't a fucking bum.
Gtfoh.
If you want to call our players names, at the very least do it in the vent thread or do it in the GDT. Please re-read the ROD rules if you need to freshen up on when its cool to call our players names...

I would think a thread dedicated to one player would be fair game for both the good and bad parts of that player.

Yes Goff has the second most wins over 5 years, but how about over the last three years? What matters most is what he’s doing now. This is a playoff caliber team. It’s possibly a Super Bowl caliber team, but none of that happens unless Goff is playing to the best of his abilities. These windows don’t stay open too long. Players decline, cap casualties happen. Bad drafts happen. While this roster is at its best Goff needs to be at his very best too. As the most important player on the offense he has to play consistently well every week. He’s the rudder steering the ship. I agree that in some games he does not look prepared. It happens with teams that they are expected to beat. Miami was an expected win and both Niners games with injured players were expected wins. Maybe he doesn’t work as hard preparing for these types of games? Maybe he’s distracted? I don’t know, but he needs to go on lock down and play to the best of his ability every week, because we all know what that looks like. We’ve all seen it and the team has seen it. His bad games this year don’t look like he’s giving his best effort.

 

[Karate61]

Dude. I know its hard to watch but I don't believe for a second that Goff isn't putting in the work because he doesn't care. He's more likely fucking up because he's trying to hard to make something happen.
That tends to happen when the team hasn't been effective running the ball for weeks now. Same time Goffs ints skyrocketed.

Those games he was hitting his 1st 12 passes to 6 different guys: that doesn't happen for QBs who aren't putting in the work. I love your posts dude, but I think you're maybe letting the frustration cloud your perception a little.
Just like we made a bad choice at ST coordinator, maybe we made a bad choice in our QB coaching decision too?

Goff has to play better and he usually does. Consistency is the key, He's still going to be our QB next year so might as well try to focus on what needs to happen to get him playing at his best imo.

Appreciate all that, but did Goff look prepared today? For example, he sits in the pocket too long and takes sacks. He doesn't know what to do with the ball, loses track of time and awareness around him and boom, takes a sack. That's just one example I saw today, at Miami, etc. He's thinking about what to do, which leads to him becoming oblivious to what's going on around him. This is how I'm seeing it. Maybe he puts in the work some games, and not others like today...which shows in his inconsistency.

I didn't see a QB trying to extend plays and taking shots and sacks, like happens to some great QB's. I "often" see a guy who is unprepared, thinking, not decisive, and guessing.

We've seen a number of horrible throws to a variety of players. That shows me Goff...is Off!

 

[badnews]

Goff started this game 6/6 for like 70 yards. This idea that you can tell from the first series just isn't accurate. He looked sharp early. And then things went to shit.

It seems to me that if there is a tell lately that indicates a bad Goff day, it would be our run game. If we can bite off decent chunks on the ground, Goff plays under much better control.

When our run game keeps getting stuffed for 2, 3, minus 1 yards, he starts looking downfield, waiting to make a play... which results in late throws and ints and fumbles etc.

I really think he feels the pressure to pick up the team on his own when he needs to just stay settled and execute the plays available.

Goff was throwing the ball away a lot earlier this season. People bitched. He hasn't been throwing the ball away enough lately. People are bitching.

I get the bitching. Goff needs to be better.
I just refuse to subscribe to the line of thought that suggests that he can't or won't overcome it and continue to grow as a QB. Of course he will. He isn't damaged goods, he wants to be great, he just has to figure it out and get through this and I really think its in McVays best interest to really try to help Jared through this. If that means benching him for Wolford or babying him and holding his hand at the LOS, so be it. Thats his job.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Also, where were the fucking bootlegs? We ran one early that resulted in a long throw to Woods. We ran at least one or two others. None were negative plays. Those bootlegs have proven very effective against SF. I don't know why we're so quick to go away from them. They play to Goff's strengths.

I asked this two weeks in a row. What happened to the protecting Goff by rolling him out? That was an offensive staple for a while.

One criticism I have of McVay is that he seems to get too locked in on a game plan. He needs to change it up on the fly. Maybe those bootlegs are t really what he wants this offense to be, but he’s gotta go with what works best in every situation.

 

[badnews]

Appreciate all that, but did Goff look prepared today? For example, he sits in the pocket to long and takes sacks. He doesn't know what to do with the ball, loses track of time and awareness around him and boom, takes a sack. That's just one example I saw today, at Miami, etc. He's thinking about what to do, which leads to him becoming oblivious to what's going on around him. This is how I'm seeing it. Maybe he puts in the work some games, and not others like today...which shows in his inconsistency.

I didn't see a QB trying to extend plays and taking shots and sacks, like happens to some great QB's. I "often" see a guy who is unprepared, thinking, not decisive, and guessing.

We've seen a number of horrible throws to a variety of players. That shows me Goff...is Off!

His first 7 throws and 70 yards, yeah he looked prepared. One of those sacks was not really him holding the ball too long. I saw one that was. It happens.
I don't think Goff struggles because he doesn't care or doesn't prepare. He struggles when he tries to do too much.

 

[jrry32]

It seems to me that if there is a tell lately that indicates a bad Goff day, it would be our run game. If we can bite off decent chunks on the ground, Goff plays under much better control.

When our run game keeps getting stuffed for 2, 3, minus 1 yards, he starts looking downfield, waiting to make a play... which results in late throws and ints and fumbles etc.

I really think he feels the pressure to pick up the team on his own when he needs to just stay settled and execute the plays available.

Goff was throwing the ball away a lot earlier this season. People bitched. He hasn't been throwing the ball away enough lately. People are bitching.

I get the bitching. Goff needs to be better.
I just refuse to subscribe to the line of thought that suggests that he can't or won't overcome it and continue to grow as a QB. Of course he will. He isn't damaged goods, he wants to be great, he just has to figure it out and get through this and I really think its in McVays best interest to really try to help Jared through this. If that means benching him for Wolford or babying him and holding his hand at the LOS, so be it. Thats his job.

These are all great points. I think you're right. Jared presses to make a play, which leads to mistakes. The experienced guys are typically more content to take what a defense is giving them (although, we saw with Brady and Russ that isn't always the case; in fact, Russ has done some of the same this year when it comes to forcing things to try and create big plays). Goff needs to learn that it's better to let a drive go than turn the ball over. We don't need a TD on every drive.

 

[Karate61]

I asked this two weeks in a row. What happened to the protecting Goff by rolling him out? That was an offensive staple for a while.

One criticism I have of McVay is that he seems to get too locked in on a game plan. He needs to change it up on the fly. Maybe those bootlegs are t really what he wants this offense to be, but he’s gotta go with what works best in every situation.

Goff has less to think about when he's rolled out. Usually just one rusher to deal with.

He needs to become effective in the pocket, and develop pocket awareness, if he wants to be a good consistent qb!

 

[badnews]

Goff needs to learn that it's better to let a drive go than turn the ball over. We don't need a TD on every drive.

Exactly. I think the size of his contract, being the 1st pick, the chip on his shoulder, the lack of credit he gets when playing well... all of it kind of combines as a pressure to do it himself, (any normal human being in his shoes would feel an overwhelming need to earn that money, to deserve his draft position and to just be able to ball out like he knows he can. This offense, espescially this season, isn't built for a QB to play hero ball. It doesn't have a Tyreek Hill to throw as hard and far as you can at, or some giant size match up that always gives you a shot. Without an effective run game, this offense asks Goff to win the game by making precision passes all day long. Thats a recipe for turnovers unless everything goes off without a hitch... but this is football.

The truth is, both Goff and McVay are responsible for winning a lot of games for us in these last few years but both of them are still learning and both of them are responsible for their current standings, which seems about right based on their performance thus far this season.
If I was McVay I would be making sure Goff knows that we're in this together, that shit happens, we just have to be better and we can be. Good old fashioned coaching shit.
And he probably is doing that.

 

[Neil039]

I’ve vented my concerns, then 1 kept nagging at me.

Is it me, Goff never seems to command the pace if the game after a huddle? Not talking the hurry up. It seems he just ignores the play clock. By now he has to know when the mic cuts at 15 seconds he’s got to get the Offense set and ready to role. Many times over the past 3-4 games he doesn’t have the team set and blows a couple of timeouts each game (I didn’t watch today as I was frustrated after the 1st quarter). This may be impacted my McVay wanting him to audible, even so it’s gotta improve.

These are fundamental sequences of the game. Once again, my frustration is based off the blown victories this season. JMO

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I think he was referring to the Brown fumble which was clearly Goff's fault. If Goff was a leader he wouldn't have allowed Brown to fumble.

I only saw the end of this game. I'm referring to Miami, Buffalo, first 9ers game. But whatever you want to make of it. I guess those four turnovers in Miami were Browns fault too. Derr