The Chargers experiment in LA is only getting worse.LOL

[LesBaker]

When the Chargers aren't coming close to selling out, even with other teams' fans, then the lease won't seem a bargain.

It's a dollar a year, which works out to less than 7 cents a game.

fans will have a choice between visiting Vegas yearly or LA

But they won't be playing the same non division opponents from year to year so for the most part fans don't have to make a chioce. It'll be LA one year, then one, two or three years later it'll be LV. Divisional games are the only ones that will happen every year and those are more "premium" and will see plenty of traveling fans.

 

[LesBaker]

It was a business decision. Rams had the deepest pockets for the fanciest stadium so they get LA, but a second team in the countries "biggest market" was a desire for the NFL. But why would Kroenke pay all that money for a stadium if the Raiders moved in an completely outshine the Rams. Because lets face it, Raiders still have the biggest fan base in LA. So instead Chargers get LA so that the Rams can become LA's team and win over the city.

IMO that's why the Chargers got first rights........it was no secret they were going to take it. Thus keeping the Raiders out of the market.

The backfire was IMO that the NFL figured the Raiders would get something done in their market and stay.

 

[Akrasian]

It's a dollar a year, which works out to less than 7 cents a game.



But they won't be playing the same non division opponents from year to year so for the most part fans don't have to make a chioce. It'll be LA one year, then one, two or three years later it'll be LV. Divisional games are the only ones that will happen every year and those are more "premium" and will see plenty of traveling fans.

Well, nearly half of their rotating games will be the same - they each will play half of the two other divisions they face that year at home, there will be overlap. I expect them to have 5 of their 8 home games against the same opponent - 3 in the division, and two of the four home games against rotating divisions.

Oh, not that it matters overly much, but for the sake of math - a dollar a year over 8 games is over 12 cents a game. Counting preseason it's still a dime. These are billionaires - they count such things.

 

[RamFan503]

At what point do you think there was ever a chance she wanted to move back to LA? She despised LA.

Not to LA but FROM LA back in the 90s.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

Yeah, it would be a tough sell given the ridiculous lease. But man, is it going to look embarrassing for the NFL when the Chargers play in front of either a stadium that is only 1/4 full or is full of the opposition's fans during their home games. And that will ripple through the organization by making the Chargers a less attractive destination for free agents, their own or others.

that is WHY i just dont see them still playing in LA in five to ten years.

 

[janthony6]

Raiders would have done well in terms of selling tickets and fan support in LA initially. But last time they were here, once they started losing, fans stopped showing up- and then all the fights and gangs that came with them.

It was the right move to bring the Rams back. The NFL wants to make LA work and doing so requires bringing a functional franchise that has money to build something great and put a great product on the field. You can’t trust Mark Davis and Dean Spanos to get anything right. Stan was the best choice. Hopefully Dean finds a way to join Mark in Vegas after all.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

It was a business decision. Rams had the deepest pockets for the fanciest stadium so they get LA, but a second team in the countries "biggest market" was a desire for the NFL. But why would Kroenke pay all that money for a stadium if the Raiders moved in an completely outshine the Rams. Because lets face it, Raiders still have the biggest fan base in LA. So instead Chargers get LA so that the Rams can become LA's team and win over the city.

The Raiders have had the biggest fanbase in LA for the last several years ONLY because their team did not move clear across the country thousands of miles to travel to and stayed in California. With the Rams back and winning like they are,more and more young people who have grown up in LA that were not around when the Rams played in LA they did not have a team to root for so they adopted a team like the packers,raiders and cowboys but with the Rams putting on an offensive show and winning now and the Raiders being the joke of the league right now,the Rams will start gradually taking over the Raiders fanbase and the Rams will be the one the one that has the most fans in a few years.

I also wouldnt be too sure that the Raiders have the most fans in LA. most of them,not all but most,are gangsters.that was another reason the owners did not want the Raiders in LA,nothing has changed,they still start fights in the stands and many of them are amongst themselves same as the old days.LOL Many Ram fans i know that went to that game said thats what happened and i saw a video of it as well.

Plus their rally they had,they only had a 100 or so show up for the rally. Rams had over a 1000. Plus the LA times did a poll among NFL fans in LA and asked who they wanted back the most between the Rams,Raiders,and Chargers. Chargers to no surprise came in last with a mere 5% of the vote,Raiders second with 35%,Rams first with 60%.The Raiders while having a large fanbase there, have just a limited fanbase there.

LA wants winners.They will lose more and more interest in the Raiders as the years go by.Mark Davis is ruining that franchise and has ran it into the ground. With the Rams set to be winners for the next several years with Goff,less and less people will take an interest in the Raiders.LOL

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

Raiders would have done well in terms of selling tickets and fan support in LA initially. But last time they were here, once they started losing, fans stopped showing up- and then all the fights and gangs that came with them.

It was the right move to bring the Rams back. The NFL wants to make LA work and doing so requires bringing a functional franchise that has money to build something great and put a great product on the field. You can’t trust Mark Davis and Dean Spanos to get anything right. Stan was the best choice. Hopefully Dean finds a way to join Mark in Vegas after all.

Exactly,you nailed it.INITIALLY they would have done well and sold tickets especially when they had that winning season a couple years back but when they lose,the Raider fans dont show up.

They just showed up in large crowds for the LA game because they wanted to see the Raiders in LA again the Raider fans out there.LA Ram fans knew better enough to stay away from that game knowing full well the thugs down there in the East part I think it is,would start fights again same as they always did. There were quite a few Ram fans that left that game because of the fights that went on in that preseason game.

Heck the Raiders always had half empty stadiums there all the time even when they WERE great.:rolllaugh: That stadium would average just like 42,000 fans a game that year they went to the superbowl. The year they won the superbowl,the next season for their home opener,they season opener just drew over 44,000 fans. true story.:rolllaugh:

The Rams on the other hand that same season in a baseball stadium,they drew a standing room only crowd of over 65,000.

The Oakland Raiders might have won a superbowl out there in LA but clearly nobody in LA cared.:rolllaugh:

Those two clowns Dumb and Dumber,Spanos and Davis would have destroyed NFL football in LA.The NFL screws things up constantly first letting the chargers go to LA and now the Raiders to vegas but they clearly made the right choice in Kroneke and giving it to the Rams.The NFL needed an owner with deep pockets who could build and finance his own stadium.Dumb and Dumber could not do that.Stan was clearly the right choice. Excellent choice selecting Kronke for LA.Horrible choice in wanting to get two teams there.

Bill Plaske of the LA time nailed it in this great article here.

The choice should be clear: Bring the Rams back to Los Angeles
http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-nfl-la-plaschke-20160108-column.html

 

[Akrasian]

Another thing that could eventually incentivize the Chargers to move - while their lease is only a dollar a year - they get zero of the non-football revenue of the stadium. Also, a significant amount of revenue for things like luxury boxes, goes to the costs of building the stadium - i.e., basically to Kroenke. The Chargers only get 18.75% of luxury box revenue and of PSLs, for instance.

If they aren't selling tickets, the dollar lease won't actually be a good deal for the Chargers. They will tough it out for a while, but as it is they have not gotten a big boost in team value from the move, and unless they become popular they won't - the deal is set up so that Kroenke's construction costs are substantially being paid down by things like naming rights, psls, jointly sold luxury boxes (likely all of them) etc. So that's money in Kroenke's pocket, and not Spanos'. If Spanos had his own stadium, chances are that would be money in his pocket. Basically, Kroenke set up the deal so it looked generous, but denied the Chargers a lot of sources of revenue - and a lot of that goes to pay off the stadium that Kroenke solely owns. I suspect a bottle or two of champagne were opened by the Rams' negotiators when it was signed.

 

[LesBaker]

Raiders would have done well in terms of selling tickets and fan support in LA initially. But last time they were here, once they started losing, fans stopped showing up- and then all the fights and gangs that came with them.

Back that up with facts. Like attendance and W-L record.

Al Davis moved for MONEY, twice.

You can’t trust Mark Davis and Dean Spanos to get anything right. Stan was the best choice.

SK doesn't have the best track record with his franchises. He has been fortunate with the Rams but go look around at the other teams he owns.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

Another thing that could eventually incentivize the Chargers to move - while their lease is only a dollar a year - they get zero of the non-football revenue of the stadium. Also, a significant amount of revenue for things like luxury boxes, goes to the costs of building the stadium - i.e., basically to Kroenke. The Chargers only get 18.75% of luxury box revenue and of PSLs, for instance.

If they aren't selling tickets, the dollar lease won't actually be a good deal for the Chargers. They will tough it out for a while, but as it is they have not gotten a big boost in team value from the move, and unless they become popular they won't - the deal is set up so that Kroenke's construction costs are substantially being paid down by things like naming rights, psls, jointly sold luxury boxes (likely all of them) etc. So that's money in Kroenke's pocket, and not Spanos'. If Spanos had his own stadium, chances are that would be money in his pocket. Basically, Kroenke set up the deal so it looked generous, but denied the Chargers a lot of sources of revenue - and a lot of that goes to pay off the stadium that Kroenke solely owns. I suspect a bottle or two of champagne were opened by the Rams' negotiators when it was signed.

The other thing that has not been mentioned yet is Spanos as far as paying in money to be in LA right now as of the moment has it made.He does not have to pay rent money till he moves into the new stadium and right now he is not paying any money for the relocation fee.That does not start until he moves into Inglewood. When it comes time to pay the piper and he sees he has to start forking out some major dough for both those things ,you think he wont panic and sell the team? LOL

 

[janthony6]

Back that up with facts. Like attendance and W-L record.

Al Davis moved for MONEY, twice.



SK doesn't have the best track record with his franchises. He has been fortunate with the Rams but go look around at the other teams he owns.

Facts? How about they won a super bowl here? Great way to endear yourself to a fan base is by winning. Raiders did a lot of that - and had Bo Jackson and Marcus Allen. Tom Flores at coach really brought in strong support from the Hispanic community.

But the fights in the stands when they sucked, NWA, all the gangs wearing the jerseys - maybe you don’t remember. It got bad and Davis turned down Inglewood’s $1M stadium to go back to Oakland because he’s dumb.

Anyways - I’m glad the Rams are here. They are set up to be extremely successful here and their fan base isn’t full of knuckleheads.

SK is better than Mark and Dean - doesn’t matter what his record is he’s better than Beavis and Butthead. He has his own money, land, and has a winner being built here for years to come. The other 2 clowns needed handouts.

 

[LesBaker]

@VegasRam explain.........

 

[LesBaker]

Facts? How about they won a super bowl here? Great way to endear yourself to a fan base is by winning. Raiders did a lot of that - and had Bo Jackson and Marcus Allen. Tom Flores at coach really brought in strong support from the Hispanic community.

But the fights in the stands when they sucked, NWA, all the gangs wearing the jerseys - maybe you don’t remember. It got bad and Davis turned down Inglewood’s $1M stadium to go back to Oakland because he’s dumb.

Anyways - I’m glad the Rams are here. They are set up to be extremely successful here and their fan base isn’t full of knuckleheads.

SK is better than Mark and Dean - doesn’t matter what his record is he’s better than Beavis and Butthead. He has his own money, land, and has a winner being built here for years to come. The other 2 clowns needed handouts.

Exactly what I was tlaking about thank you for illustrating my point.

 

[EastRam]

Facts? How about they won a super bowl here? Great way to endear yourself to a fan base is by winning. Raiders did a lot of that - and had Bo Jackson and Marcus Allen. Tom Flores at coach really brought in strong support from the Hispanic community.

But the fights in the stands when they sucked, NWA, all the gangs wearing the jerseys - maybe you don’t remember. It got bad and Davis turned down Inglewood’s $1M stadium to go back to Oakland because he’s dumb.

Anyways - I’m glad the Rams are here. They are set up to be extremely successful here and their fan base isn’t full of knuckleheads.

SK is better than Mark and Dean - doesn’t matter what his record is he’s better than Beavis and Butthead. He has his own money, land, and has a winner being built here for years to come. The other 2 clowns needed handouts.

When the time comes And hopefully it will be a long time coming.

I want to see how many LA Ram fans show up when the Rams are not winning.

sellouts with half the fans supporting the other teams don't count.

Support the team like Browns, Packers and Seattle fans do in down years knowing when to be loud and knowing when to sit on their hands.

Then and only then will I be all in on LA supporting any NFL team.

I'm not pointing fingers at Ram fans like us that know how to support a team thru good times and bad.

It's up to SK to sell his PSLs to Ram fans and not price the real fans out of the Stadium.

 

[LesBaker]

The other thing that has not been mentioned yet is Spanos as far as paying in money to be in LA right now as of the moment has it made.He does not have to pay rent money till he moves into the new stadium and right now he is not paying any money for the relocation fee.That does not start until he moves into Inglewood. When it comes time to pay the piper and he sees he has to start forking out some major dough for both those things ,you think he wont panic and sell the team? LOL

I dunno who you are, but you are badly informed. Very badly. And you should have someone proofread your posts.........

His rent is ONE DOLLAR a year in the new stadium.

He has YEARS to pay off the relocation fee.

There is no "MAJOR DOUGH" he has to pay.

But even if there was he is worth plenty to pay it, sorry to inform you.

You're totally clueless and no longer worth responding to. You've clearly NOT kept up with any of this.

Enjoy your stay here.

 

[pmil66]

In MLB, the gate receipts are split 60/40 with the visiting team, the home team keeps the 60%. Have to believe there is a similar split in other sports, including the NFL. There will be a bit of pressure put on the Chargers, by the other owners, in the next few years to build a fan base.

 

[RamFan503]

Back that up with facts. Like attendance and W-L record.

Al Davis moved for MONEY, twice.

My uncle was business partners with weird Al and had season tickets. He said said the same thing when we went to the Chefs v Raiduh game. I also witnessed it first hand. Red everywhere except the cheap seats in the end zone where they also had cops lining the walkways. I thought that was odd until the game started and a fight would break out every five minutes. Mind you, this was Raiduh fan on Raiduh fan.

I’ve been to Oakland for a couple Rams v Raiduh games. Los Angeles Raiduh fans were NOT LA Raiduh fans. Yeah - beat that. I felt safer in Oakland.

 

[RamFan503]

To add. Al Davis moved for money but it was a leverage move to get that money. It didn’t happen in LA so he moved back. He didn’t get a new stadium in either place.

 

[RamFan503]

I dunno who you are, but you are badly informed. Very badly. And you should have someone proofread your posts.........

His rent is ONE DOLLAR a year in the new stadium.

He has YEARS to pay off the relocation fee.

There is no "MAJOR DOUGH" he has to pay.

But even if there was he is worth plenty to pay it, sorry to inform you.

You're totally clueless and no longer worth responding to. You've clearly NOT kept up with any of this.

Enjoy your stay here.

Sorry Les. Most of Spanos “money” is the value of his team unless something changed recently.

His slum lord daddy made most of his money off sweetheart deals from the govt. Sonny boy was trying to emulate his dad in his dealings with San Diego.