The Chargers experiment in LA is only getting worse.LOL

[Dieter the Brock]

Spanos muat have read this thread....

 

[LesBaker]

I see some claims about the Raiders fans not supporting the team if they start losing. This implies, somehow, that Rams fans will support the team if they start losing. I'm not sure that's the case.

We already know it isn't the case, and it's arguably not the case when they are winning.

 

[RamFan503]

I read the attendance for the Minny game was 70,000. And though there were a lot of viqueens fans, they were clearly outnumbered if you watch all the towels waving and blue - not purple shirts.

 

[RamFan503]

Growing up the Rams were generally in the hunt most seasons. Attendance was very good - near or at the top of the league. I think with few exceptions, a team has to be winning fairly regularly to maintain the home crowd.

LA is not a bad sports town even though there is far more to do than most NFL cities. The fans do show up but it may take several winning seasons before that is a regular thing.

Hell - the Portland Trailblazers sold out for I think it was 15 straight seasons until the Trail Gangsta days when Witset (sp?) put out some unwatchable teams. Go figure.... attendance started to tank. If you look at the stands in the Pittsburg v Chefs game in Pittsburgh this season, there were plenty of empty seats and that place is usually packed.

Home crowds won’t show up to be embarrassed. It’s not an LA thing.

 

[Loyal]

Growing up the Rams were generally in the hunt most seasons. Attendance was very good - near or at the top of the league. I think with few exceptions, a team has to be winning fairly regularly to maintain the home crowd.

LA is not a bad sports town even though there is far more to do than most NFL cities. The fans do show up but it may take several winning seasons before that is a regular thing.

Hell - the Portland Trailblazers sold out for I think it was 15 straight seasons until the Trail Gangsta days when Witset (sp?) put out some unwatchable teams. Go figure.... attendance started to tank. If you look at the stands in the Pittsburg v Chefs game in Pittsburgh this season, there were plenty of empty seats and that place is usually packed.

Home crowds won’t show up to be embarrassed. It’s not an LA thing.

It's a Corvallis thing for Civil War games Mike Belotti

 

[RamFan503]

It's a Corvallis thing for Civil War games Mike Belotti

Did you ever go to one? I’ve been to one at both UofO and OSU (the original OSU btw - so fuck off buckeye fans ). That is a kick ass time no matter which side you’re on. I had a house divided hat so I was accepted by both sides - my oldest went to OSU and my youngest at UofO.

But that game is WAY bigger to the fans there than USC/UCLA or Stanford/Cal.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

The Raiders have had the biggest fanbase in LA for the last several years ONLY because their team did not move clear across the country thousands of miles to travel to and stayed in California. With the Rams back and winning like they are,more and more young people who have grown up in LA that were not around when the Rams played in LA they did not have a team to root for so they adopted a team like the packers,raiders and cowboys but with the Rams putting on an offensive show and winning now and the Raiders being the joke of the league right now,the Rams will start gradually taking over the Raiders fanbase and the Rams will be the one the one that has the most fans in a few years.

I also wouldnt be too sure that the Raiders have the most fans in LA. most of them,not all but most,are gangsters.that was another reason the owners did not want the Raiders in LA,nothing has changed,they still start fights in the stands and many of them are amongst themselves same as the old days.LOL Many Ram fans i know that went to that game said thats what happened and i saw a video of it as well.

Plus their rally they had,they only had a 100 or so show up for the rally. Rams had over a 1000. Plus the LA times did a poll among NFL fans in LA and asked who they wanted back the most between the Rams,Raiders,and Chargers. Chargers to no surprise came in last with a mere 5% of the vote,Raiders second with 35%,Rams first with 60%.The Raiders while having a large fanbase there, have just a limited fanbase there.

LA wants winners.They will lose more and more interest in the Raiders as the years go by.Mark Davis is ruining that franchise and has ran it into the ground. With the Rams set to be winners for the next several years with Goff,less and less people will take an interest in the Raiders.LOL

something else i forgot to mention is some of the ram fans in LA i talk they have already told me many of the younger fans they know that rooted for the packer,cowboys,niners and raiders when the rams were gone the past 22 years,they have come over and become Rams fans and they are trying to claim they have ALWAYS been Ram fans.LOL no surprise there that they wont own up they rooted for another team when they were growing up.LOL

 

[RamFan503]

something else i forgot to mention is some of the ram fans in LA i talk they have already told me many of the younger fans they know that rooted for the packer,cowboys,niners and raiders when the rams were gone the past 22 years,they have come over and become Rams fans and they are trying to claim they have ALWAYS been Ram fans.LOL no surprise there that they wont own up they rooted for another team when they were growing up.LOL

Not surprising at all. The home town has a big influence on fans young and old.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

Not surprising at all. The home town has a big influence on fans young and old.

What I think is comical is spanos is finding out that his ratings in SD ruled for charger games on tv when they were on the road,in LA,they are ranked horribly. oh and so much for the myth of what someone said earlier that the Raiders have more fans in LA than the Rams. Yeah while Maybe while they were gone 22 years sure that I have no doubt since the Rams were clear across the country but get this,Listen to this podcast of the ratings of some of the sports games.Our RAMS came in at FIRST place in LA in viewership in the game against the Seahawks,Dodgers playoff game against the Braves second, and the chargers/Raiders game was FIFTH behind the other baseball games.and this was against the RAIDERS who allegedly we are hearing,have more fans in LA than the Rams do. Not. HEE HEE.

excellent podcast,hope everyone listens in.

https://www.mighty1090.com/episode/...be-in-la-and-get-the-big-ratings-and-dollars/

 

[Loyal]

Did you ever go to one? I’ve been to one at both UofO and OSU (the original OSU btw - so freak off buckeye fans ).

YOUSONOFA...! ~Woody Hayes

 

[BonifayRam]

Ranking NFL teams by 2018 attendance through five weeks

https://247sports.com/nfl/carolina-...gs-through-five-weeks-122086639/#122086639_30

Through five complete weeks of the NFL season, fans across the league have turned out in droves in support of their teams at their home venues. Some have enjoyed more home games than others, with 14 teams in the league having already played three home games. The remaining 18 teams have played two home games.

After enjoying byes in Week 5, the Buccaneers and Bears unsurprisingly rank near the bottom of the league in total home attendance. Some teams near the bottom of our rankings below will be sure to catch up as more home games come in the weeks ahead. As it stands now, only eight teams in the league are filling out 100 percent or more of their stadium's capacity in the early going.

Below, we'll keep a running tally of NFL attendance figures throughout the season, including a ranking of each team by total cumulative attendance. We'll also breakdown all 32 teams by road attendance, percentage capacity, and more. It's important to note the rankings are done by cumulative and not average attendance, so if teams like the Cowboys and other large-venue franchises aren't at the top of the rankings for now, it's because they've had less home games to take advantage of.

32. Los Angeles Chargers: 76,110

Home Total: 76,110

Home Average: 25,370

Home Capacity Percentage: 94.0

Away Total: 138,134

Away Average: 69,067

32. Los Angeles Chargers: 76,110



7. Los Angeles Rams: 207,489

(Photo: Sean M. Haffey, Getty)
Home Total: 207,489

Home Average: 69,163

Home Capacity Percentage: 98.4

Away Total: 122,750

Away Average: 61,375

 

[Mackeyser]

Just wait until the new palace opens...

That place is gonna not only be a mecca for Rams fans, but gonna be swank af and be the spot to be and be seen with all the other stuff going on...

 

[TSFH Fan]

“We should have given him a puppy,” one AFC executive says.

This thread started out in the spirit of What were they thinking? Well, a NY reporter and Patriots fan with a book to sell claims to know, but at least one SD reporter isn't buying it:

Column |
NFL owners were 'miffed' with Spanos for moving Chargers, per new book
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...an-spanos-raiders-goodell-20180912-story.html

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and Chargers majority owner Dean Spanos aligned in San Diego in 2016 as part of a push to get a stadium subsidy. (John Gastaldo/San Diego Union-Tribune)

Tom Krasovic Contact Reporter
SEPTEMBER 13, 2018, 8:15 AM

In a new and entertaining book on the NFL, it’s reported that Dean Spanos surprised NFL power brokers when he chose to relocate his Chargers to greater Los Angeles; that Rams owner Stan Kroenke ignored Spanos for a week after the move was announced, and that club owners were “miffed” with Spanos for severing a 56-year relationship with San Diego despite having handed him an L.A. option.

“We should have given him a puppy,” one AFC executive says.

Spanos doesn’t come off as happy, either, in the early aftermath of the relocation,

“Now I know how Art Modell feels,” he says of the detested late owner who moved the Browns to Baltimore.

“Big Game, The NFL In Dangerous Times,” authored by New York Times Magazine writer and Patriots fan Mark Leibovich, devotes most of its 349 pages to other recent events and current topics, but Spanos gets a cream pie to the face from both Leibovich and the NFL power brokers he granted anonymity.

“He is generally well liked by his partners around the league, but no one would mistake him for a visionary or even that significant of a force. He seemed to engender greater sympathy than respect from his fellow owners, as if he were a hapless little brother. ‘Dino,’ they call him,’ ” Leibovich writes.

The spin that the anonymous NFL brokers put on Team Spanos’ relocation is that Spanos underachieved in attempts to get a San Diego stadium despite their noble efforts to empower him.

His brethren gave Spanos first dibs to join Kroenke in his privately financed Inglewood palace, though not before he would have to spend a few years in a small soccer stadium in Carson. Along with dangling an extra $100 million in NFL money toward a San Diego project — the carrot — the League handed Spanos the L.A. option as leverage (the stick) to get a deal done in San Diego.

Sympathy for Spanos, therefore, was in short supply when he invoked Modell.

Owners “were miffed at him for turning what had appeared to be a somewhat elegant solution to the L.A. problem into a towering embarrassment,” Leibovich writes.

I don’t buy it
The spin of NFL dismay with “Dino” is convenient and reported accurately, I believe, but it’s not altogether convincing.

The NFL didn’t want the Raiders in Los Angeles yet gave Raiders owner Mark Davis the option to co-habitate with Kroenke if Spanos passed on going north. So when Spanos blocked the Raiders from going to L.A., the NFL lords had reason to celebrate, even if it’s also true that they regarded “Dino” as a lightweight and felt pangs of remorse about leaving San Diego.

Houston Texans owner Bob McNair had ripped San Diego’s political leadership of the past several years, cherry-picking long-ago incidents of corruption at City Hall. Per Chargers stadium consultants Fred Maas and Mark Fabiani, when NFL officials attended a fruitless meeting in 2016 between the club and a coalition led by Mayor Kevin Faulconer, the NFL men pressed Faulconer and deemed him insincere about wanting to keep the team in San Diego.

It’s interesting that Spanos felt so besieged he’d claim to feel as reviled as Modell.

If he were to still feel that way, it adds some degree of weight to conjecture — which I’ve heard in NFL circles — that Spanos, with input from his three siblings, will sell the team within several years of the move into the Kroenke Dome on the grounds that the company’s value will have peaked. There’s also a theory that “Dino” will fall back in love with the NFL if the team can have a lot of success on the field.

Tom.Krasovic@SDUnionTribune.com; Twitter: SDUTKrasovic

 

[Mackeyser]

That totally makes sense.

I can see Spanos selling because his dad was worth a ton, but he's not and the only way he really and truly gets money of his own to join the billionaire's club is to sell the team.

The problem for him is that upon selling, he'll be selling a team without a fan base and without a stadium (renting isn't owning as every billionaire is keenly aware).

Honestly, I think it would make the most sense if the league wants to expand abroad to see the Chargers move to Mexico City or London.

Mexico City makes more sense with respect to travel, London with respect to expanding the Euro fanbase.

 

[RamFan503]

Ranking NFL teams by 2018 attendance through five weeks

https://247sports.com/nfl/carolina-...gs-through-five-weeks-122086639/#122086639_30

Through five complete weeks of the NFL season, fans across the league have turned out in droves in support of their teams at their home venues. Some have enjoyed more home games than others, with 14 teams in the league having already played three home games. The remaining 18 teams have played two home games.

After enjoying byes in Week 5, the Buccaneers and Bears unsurprisingly rank near the bottom of the league in total home attendance. Some teams near the bottom of our rankings below will be sure to catch up as more home games come in the weeks ahead. As it stands now, only eight teams in the league are filling out 100 percent or more of their stadium's capacity in the early going.

Below, we'll keep a running tally of NFL attendance figures throughout the season, including a ranking of each team by total cumulative attendance. We'll also breakdown all 32 teams by road attendance, percentage capacity, and more. It's important to note the rankings are done by cumulative and not average attendance, so if teams like the Cowboys and other large-venue franchises aren't at the top of the rankings for now, it's because they've had less home games to take advantage of.

32. Los Angeles Chargers: 76,110

Home Total: 76,110

Home Average: 25,370

Home Capacity Percentage: 94.0

Away Total: 138,134

Away Average: 69,067

32. Los Angeles Chargers: 76,110



7. Los Angeles Rams: 207,489

(Photo: Sean M. Haffey, Getty)
Home Total: 207,489

Home Average: 69,163

Home Capacity Percentage: 98.4

Away Total: 122,750

Away Average: 61,375

You left out the Raiduhs at #30.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

This

:blah:

Uhhh their history proves the Rams DO belong in LA. The facts are the Rams belong in LA,chargers belong in san diego and Raiders belong in Oakland. to say otherwise is foolish. you obviously made a mistake there saying the Raiders have the better history there. Lets see,the Raiders were there for 13 years before they moved back to Oakland where they belong,Rams were there for 49 years before they moved to st louis, do the math,the math shows the Rams have a MUCH better history in LA.you have been checkmated and lose.LOL thats grasping at straws using modern era saying the Rams dont belong in LA just because they were in st louis longer in the modern era.:rolllaugh: again do the math,49 years of history is much longer than 22 the one that needs to keep up is you since it cannot be dabated the Rams belong in LA,Chargers in San Diego,and Raiders in Oakland.


about the only thing you got right there is that the NFL owners did not want the Raiders in LA since they hate the Davis family which was WHY the chargers got the option to be the second team to join them over the Raiders.:rolllaugh:

you went down for the count earlier by someone,you go down again for the count by me this time.LOL

This Raider fan gets it what I am talking about on the FACTS how the Rams belong in LA,chargers in SD,Raiders in Oakland,he GETS it,this is excellent post he made on discussing the chargers bombing in LA. gives standing ovation to him.

The owner of the San Diego Chargers that's a lot of nerve to use LT Damien Thomas to support the Chargers that ran out of San Diego I'm a Raider fan and I was outraged on the way the owner handled it it was one of the most horrible despicable things that a franchise could do to a city and the commissioner Rodger supported the move to LA should have never went that way San Diego should have stayed in San Diego the Raiders should have stayed in Oakland and it'll only move it should have been allowed was the Rams going back to LA to their natural home commissioner always talks about stable bility and commitment to cities and franchises moving from City to City he's against it he's a lying lies to his teeth he speaks with the Crooked tongue commercial

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

speaking of LT,that guy is a traiter the fact he begged the san diego fans to start supporting them.If I grew up in SD and was a charger fan,i would burn his jersey in a heartbeat after his comments.he is a sellot to san diegos same as howie long,lincoln kennedy and charles woodson are to oakland fans.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

Ranking NFL teams by 2018 attendance through five weeks

https://247sports.com/nfl/carolina-...gs-through-five-weeks-122086639/#122086639_30

Through five complete weeks of the NFL season, fans across the league have turned out in droves in support of their teams at their home venues. Some have enjoyed more home games than others, with 14 teams in the league having already played three home games. The remaining 18 teams have played two home games.

After enjoying byes in Week 5, the Buccaneers and Bears unsurprisingly rank near the bottom of the league in total home attendance. Some teams near the bottom of our rankings below will be sure to catch up as more home games come in the weeks ahead. As it stands now, only eight teams in the league are filling out 100 percent or more of their stadium's capacity in the early going.

Below, we'll keep a running tally of NFL attendance figures throughout the season, including a ranking of each team by total cumulative attendance. We'll also breakdown all 32 teams by road attendance, percentage capacity, and more. It's important to note the rankings are done by cumulative and not average attendance, so if teams like the Cowboys and other large-venue franchises aren't at the top of the rankings for now, it's because they've had less home games to take advantage of.

32. Los Angeles Chargers: 76,110

Home Total: 76,110

Home Average: 25,370

Home Capacity Percentage: 94.0

Away Total: 138,134

Away Average: 69,067

32. Los Angeles Chargers: 76,110



7. Los Angeles Rams: 207,489

(Photo: Sean M. Haffey, Getty)
Home Total: 207,489

Home Average: 69,163

Home Capacity Percentage: 98.4

Away Total: 122,750

Away Average: 61,375

comedy gold.LOL

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

That totally makes sense.

I can see Spanos selling because his dad was worth a ton, but he's not and the only way he really and truly gets money of his own to join the billionaire's club is to sell the team.

The problem for him is that upon selling, he'll be selling a team without a fan base and without a stadium (renting isn't owning as every billionaire is keenly aware).

Honestly, I think it would make the most sense if the league wants to expand abroad to see the Chargers move to Mexico City or London.

Mexico City makes more sense with respect to travel, London with respect to expanding the Euro fanbase.

Thats not something i thought of

when spanos finally sells,the new owner I guarantee will do one of two things. Either move them back to SD where he knows there is a fanbase waiting and knows HE will be welcomed with open arms same as Kroneke was in LA OR the NFL might be wanting to expand by that time and push for Mexico.I never thought of mexico as an option but that would work for the chargers having a fanbase there as well. Mexico is for sure an option. The new owner will have to be close to Kroneke in having deep pockets to finance and build his own stadium thats for sure.

The only thing is we are hearing not just whispers but thanks to the post of TSFH fan, there is hard evidence it is not a rumor,that the NFL is already panicking over the chargers move to LA finally seeing what we all knew would happen,that they basically have SIXTEEN road games all year long instead of 8 so they are in serious discussion mode trying to keep a lid on it that they want the Chargers back in SD.LOL

where we have not heard any serious talk as of yet at the moment at least,on a team in Mexico but that could all very well change when they move into Inglewood and spanos realises he is going to have to tarp off the upper deck for charger games,then at that point we MIGHT hear some talk of Mexico.Mexico would work for the chargers.

London is a pipe dream by idiot Goddel.