The Chargers experiment in LA is only getting worse.LOL

[tomas]

He was too stupid to understand that LA is only a ONE TEAM NFL market.two teams have NEVER worked.

Raiders and Rams would work.Raiders have a huge fan base in L.A.

 

[LesBaker]

You nailed it LoyalRam. The NFL never wanted the Rams to leave LA.They were very much against it.In the initial vote the majority of the owners voted against the move until the evil woman threatened them with a lawsuit and only then did the owners change their vote and give the majority vote for the Raiders to leave.

One thing we have found out about franchises moving, and this is true in every sport.

If an owner wants to move the league can't truly stop them from doing it.

it will be time to push the Chargers owners out to see if SD can be saved as a NFL city.

Well Spanos is truly and roundly despised so they won't be going back. It would take expansion and an owner who like others can build a stadium with a combination of his own money and G4 stadium funding from the NFL. The people of San Diego have voted down a stadium by a wide margin twice at least.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

I disagree.

The last thing the NFL wanted was the Raiders back in LA.

They have a better history there than the Rams do, and a deep fanbase.

I also disagree that the Rams belong in LA. They don't, it's a foolish thing to assume. They are there because it means $$$. In the modern era they spent more time in STL and out of LA as in LA. Want to compare modern era records?

And you lose your point when you say that LV was the obvious play for the Chargers, and that they will be on the move in 10 years. They have a lifetime one dollar lease LOL. ONE DOLLAR.

Try to keep up OK.

:blah:

Uhhh their history proves the Rams DO belong in LA. The facts are the Rams belong in LA,chargers belong in san diego and Raiders belong in Oakland. to say otherwise is foolish. you obviously made a mistake there saying the Raiders have the better history there. Lets see,the Raiders were there for 13 years before they moved back to Oakland where they belong,Rams were there for 49 years before they moved to st louis, do the math,the math shows the Rams have a MUCH better history in LA.you have been checkmated and lose.LOL thats grasping at straws using modern era saying the Rams dont belong in LA just because they were in st louis longer in the modern era.:rolllaugh: again do the math,49 years of history is much longer than 22 the one that needs to keep up is you since it cannot be dabated the Rams belong in LA,Chargers in San Diego,and Raiders in Oakland.


about the only thing you got right there is that the NFL owners did not want the Raiders in LA since they hate the Davis family which was WHY the chargers got the option to be the second team to join them over the Raiders.:rolllaugh:

you went down for the count earlier by someone,you go down again for the count by me this time.LOL

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

One thing we have found out about franchises moving, and this is true in every sport.

If an owner wants to move the league can't truly stop them from doing it.



Well Spanos is truly and roundly despised so they won't be going back. It would take expansion and an owner who like others can build a stadium with a combination of his own money and G4 stadium funding from the NFL. The people of San Diego have voted down a stadium by a wide margin twice at least.

See now your not rambling,now you know what your talking about.Thats what I said before,I think Spanos will sell the team in 5 to 10 years after he realises even if they are a great team,nobody in LA wants them.Then the new owner will move them back and build his own stadium UNLESS of course the NFL is in mexico by then as someone earlier said and the owner might do that at that point.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

Raiders and Rams would work.Raiders have a huge fan base in L.A.

Yeah but that wont happen.Like someone said earlier the NFL does not want the Raiders there.Thank god because the Raiders would really hurt the Rams fanbase there where the Chargers are no threat to them even if they are great someday they will never be embraced there. I could not believe how so many Ram fans i knew four years ago were so delusional actually seriously thinking the Raiders had any chance of coming back to LA. :rolllaugh:

I spelled it out to them dummies style too many times to remember back in 2014 when it was common knowledge by then the NFL was serious about getting an NFL team that no matter how many times I tried to explain it to all the nutcases who thought the Raiders had a chance that they would be back in LA that would never happen because of two reasons,ONE,the owners dont want a Davis owned franchise in LA because they hate the Davis family so he was never going to get the vote,TWO they wanted an owner with deep pockets in LA to run the franchise and Kroneke fits the bill being the second richest owner in the league. so I ALWAYS said IF there is a second team in LA it will be the chargers and that is a MAJOR if because they have no fans in LA.

Remember the owners voted for the Rams to come back which I assume YOU ALL knew that would happen same as me? and then they gave the option for the chargers as the second team to come join the Rams as a tenant if they could not get anything done in SD. The owners of course did not think spanos would be stupid enough to move them and would get something done there because of that fact and also its well known spanos is bitter at Kroneke for a land deal he bought under his nose at one time so he does not like Kroneke at all so they assume he would never go to LA as a result but they were too stupid of course to understand that Spanos wanted out of san diego and was never going to try and stay and that he would never build his own stadium. God the NFL is run by idiots. amazing they did not think of any of that stuff.

the reason of course they gave the option to the CHARGERS as the second team to come in,is because as i said,the owners hate the Davis family and will never let a Davis owned Raiders franchise in LA again.:rolllaugh: they hate Al Davis and still have bitter feelings toward him for suing the league to move them so it did not take a genius to see the owners were never going to allow the Raiders to come back.:rolllaugh:

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

If they were going to move a team to LA, the Rams made sense.

Rams and Raiders had been in LA at the same time, and showed it didn't work with both of them - that's why they both moved away.

Chargers suck. They've lost the battle for LA, even before the move to the new stadium. They have a tiny amount of local fans, while the Rams keep adding new fans. They destroyed the SD fan base for the NFL, which they were counting on. Once the move is done, and they are selling a fraction of the tickets of the Rams, it will be time to push the Chargers owners out to see if SD can be saved as a NFL city.

Exactly.It did not work back then and it STILL is not working with two teams. If it did not work when the Raiders were there who have a much more huge fanbase,incredible the NFL thought this time would be different with a team nobody in LA wants. you nailed it,i could not have said it better myself,they destroyed the SD fanbase allowing this to happen.they never should have given spanos approval to move.

SD can be saved as an NFL city but like you said,they need to push the chargers owner out and get a new one who will build his own stadium like Kroneke is so he can bring them back to SD. as long as SD gets a new owner,they'll take them back.

winner for the best damn post on this thread.Akrasian is the champion and wins the award.:yay:ball:

 

[RamsCardsJazz]

Just move the Chargers to STL (I know that has a zero percent chance of happening), so every few years I only have to drive thirty minutes to watch the Rams.

 

[thirteen28]

The problem with teams like the Chargers and the Raiders (and formerly the Rams under Georgia) is that for their owners, their only source of wealth is the team itself. Thus, they don't have the $$$ or the pull to get a new stadium or build one themselves. Furthermore, the Chargers move to LA was wholly dependent on another team moving there because of that. But there was an obvious misreading of the market by both Spanos and the NFL, and I think you are going to see a lot of empty seats in Stan's house during Chargers home games.

What should have happened is that Spanos, realizing he couldn't afford a building on his own, should have found a rich billionaire from outside the NFL to buy the team and plunk down the $$$ for a new stadium in San Diego. And if Spanos could find some humility, he still has time to pull that off, because I bet the NFL would allow the Chargers to move back to San Diego if there was going to be a new stadium there, and I think the city would welcome them back under new ownership.

 

[Dieter the Brock]

:blah:

Uhhh their history proves the Rams DO belong in LA. The facts are the Rams belong in LA,chargers belong in san diego and Raiders belong in Oakland. to say otherwise is foolish. you obviously made a mistake there saying the Raiders have the better history there. Lets see,the Raiders were there for 13 years before they moved back to Oakland where they belong,Rams were there for 49 years before they moved to st louis, do the math,the math shows the Rams have a MUCH better history in LA.you have been checkmated and lose.LOL thats grasping at straws using modern era saying the Rams dont belong in LA just because they were in st louis longer in the modern era.:rolllaugh: again do the math,49 years of history is much longer than 22 the one that needs to keep up is you since it cannot be dabated the Rams belong in LA,Chargers in San Diego,and Raiders in Oakland.


about the only thing you got right there is that the NFL owners did not want the Raiders in LA since they hate the Davis family which was WHY the chargers got the option to be the second team to join them over the Raiders.:rolllaugh:

you went down for the count earlier by someone,you go down again for the count by me this time.LOL

Dude Chargers suck balls

And I don’t appreciate the way youre coming after Les Baker - that’s not what we do here - It’s against the entire vibe of the site. Go ahead and address his posts but don’t attack or try and belittle the man

 

[LesBaker]

I could not believe how so many Ram fans i knew four years ago were so delusional actually seriously thinking the Raiders had any chance of coming back to LA.

IMO the Raiders would be in LA right now if the Chargers didn't have first rights to that market.

What should have happened is that Spanos, realizing he couldn't afford a building on his own

Actually he could have done it. The G4 money would be 400MIL, and he could have built a nice stadium and paid the balance himself. Instead he tried to get the taxpayers to pick up a big piece of the tab for a 1.8BIL stadium.

A really nice stadium can be built for A LOT less than that. Spanos is just a greedy pig and wanted more.

Look what the Vikings have for just over a billion. Spanos could have done that in SD with naming rights, G4 money, PSL's and some of his own contribution. He has a net worth of 2.5BIL, some say even more. He could have done something.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

NFL wants to expand. Lots of games in London and Mexico City. If they do expand, Chargers would be the perfect fit for Mexico City

Best damn post on this thread and the clear cut winner.

If they were going to move a team to LA, the Rams made sense.

Rams and Raiders had been in LA at the same time, and showed it didn't work with both of them - that's why they both moved away.

Chargers suck. They've lost the battle for LA, even before the move to the new stadium. They have a tiny amount of local fans, while the Rams keep adding new fans. They destroyed the SD fan base for the NFL, which they were counting on. Once the move is done, and they are selling a fraction of the tickets of the Rams, it will be time to push the Chargers owners out to see if SD can be saved as a NFL city.

exactly you nailed it. The Rams and Raiders being in LA at the same time did not work.Incredible that the NFL thought THIS time would be any different especially since the Raiders have a much larger fanbase in LA than the Chargers. san diego can be saved as city

Just move the Chargers to STL (I know that has a zero percent chance of happening), so every few years I only have to drive thirty minutes to watch the Rams.

speaking of st louis,sam farmer a week ago gave a very interesting talk on the mighty 1090 radio show that to no surprise,he doesnt hear any whispers from the NFL on getting a team back to st louis but SD on the other hand is another different story.I dont think its just a rumor we heard last year the owners wants the chargers back in SD. there is a lot of fire where that smoke is coming from is appears.

https://www.mighty1090.com/episode/...to-put-a-team-in-stl-but-so-is-another-story/

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

The problem with teams like the Chargers and the Raiders (and formerly the Rams under Georgia) is that for their owners, their only source of wealth is the team itself. Thus, they don't have the $$$ or the pull to get a new stadium or build one themselves. Furthermore, the Chargers move to LA was wholly dependent on another team moving there because of that. But there was an obvious misreading of the market by both Spanos and the NFL, and I think you are going to see a lot of empty seats in Stan's house during Chargers home games.

What should have happened is that Spanos, realizing he couldn't afford a building on his own, should have found a rich billionaire from outside the NFL to buy the team and plunk down the $$$ for a new stadium in San Diego. And if Spanos could find some humility, he still has time to pull that off, because I bet the NFL would allow the Chargers to move back to San Diego if there was going to be a new stadium there, and I think the city would welcome them back under new ownership.

oh yeah for sure. Like i said,it was widely reported last year that the NFL owners want the chargers back in SD but for the fans to take them back now,spanos will have to sell the team to an owner who will build the stadium,they want nothing to do with spanos,they wont accept the chargers back in SD with him as the owner as oakland did with Davis when the Raiders came back to oakland.they dont worship the ground spanos walks on as oakland for some bizaare reason did with Davis,i will never get that one.

 

[LesBaker]

he doesnt hear any whispers from the NFL on getting a team back to st louis

After what the NFL and Kroenke/Demoff did to STL they may not ever be welcomed in that town.

 

[thirteen28]

IMO the Raiders would be in LA right now if the Chargers didn't have first rights to that market.




Actually he could have done it. The G4 money would be 400MIL, and he could have built a nice stadium and paid the balance himself. Instead he tried to get the taxpayers to pick up a big piece of the tab for a 1.8BIL stadium.

A really nice stadium can be built for A LOT less than that. Spanos is just a greedy pig and wanted more.

Look what the Vikings have for just over a billion. Spanos could have done that in SD with naming rights, G4 money, PSL's and some of his own contribution. He has a net worth of 2.5BIL, some say even more. He could have done something.

I wasn't aware of all that. Either way, he needs to just sell the team to someone who can take them back to San Diego and make it work. I think Larry Ellison of Oracle has a few billion $$$ of change in his couch cushions ...

 

[LesBaker]

I wasn't aware of all that. Either way, he needs to just sell the team to someone who can take them back to San Diego and make it work. I think Larry Ellison of Oracle has a few billion $$$ of change in his couch cushions ...

If someone did buy it, and I'm not sure Spanos is motivated to sell, they would probably be welcomed back as a hero.

But Spanos has a one dollar a year lease. He's poised to make mountains of money in LA. so it would probably take a really crazy deal to buy the team from him, then the new owner would devalue the team by moving it while making less money.

That's a tough sale to make.

 

[thirteen28]

If someone did buy it, and I'm not sure Spanos is motivated to sell, they would probably be welcomed back as a hero.

But Spanos has a one dollar a year lease. He's poised to make mountains of money in LA. so it would probably take a really crazy deal to buy the team from him, then the new owner would devalue the team by moving it while making less money.

That's a tough sale to make.

Yeah, it would be a tough sell given the ridiculous lease. But man, is it going to look embarrassing for the NFL when the Chargers play in front of either a stadium that is only 1/4 full or is full of the opposition's fans during their home games. And that will ripple through the organization by making the Chargers a less attractive destination for free agents, their own or others.

 

[LesBaker]

Yeah, it would be a tough sell given the ridiculous lease. But man, is it going to look embarrassing for the NFL when the Chargers play in front of either a stadium that is only 1/4 full or is full of the opposition's fans during their home games. And that will ripple through the organization by making the Chargers a less attractive destination for free agents, their own or others.

The same thing will happen in LV with the Raiders. Though I'm not sure how much players actually care about that sort of thing.

Honestly I don't think the NFL cares who buys the tickets. Ticket brokers are going to suck up PSL's and single game seats in huge numbers for LV. And probably again for LA as well, look at the Rams games now, the stands are filled with opposing fans. Fans of opposing teams will pay a premium to go see their team in those two markets, especially if they live in a cold weather city.

 

[Akrasian]

When the Chargers aren't coming close to selling out, even with other teams' fans, then the lease won't seem a bargain. The first result will be that they'll be the home team for out of the country games most years - the home team for those games get paid as if they were selling out their home stadium, so Spanos will be pressured to accept that. But even then the other games won't be selling out. At some point, it becomes more profitable to pay rent and sell more tickets and related revenue sources. And to the extent that any of those revenues are shared, the rest of the league will be pressuring the Chargers to make more money.

Before they announced their move, they sold 66,000 seats per game in 2015. I doubt they sell near that many in LA, unless they slash ticket prices. Keep in mind in terms of tourist tickets - fans will have a choice between visiting Vegas yearly or LA - I suspect the Raiders win that choice. It'll only be the fans who can afford both in the same year that might buy Chargers' tickets.

 

[Jorgeh0605]

It was a business decision. Rams had the deepest pockets for the fanciest stadium so they get LA, but a second team in the countries "biggest market" was a desire for the NFL. But why would Kroenke pay all that money for a stadium if the Raiders moved in an completely outshine the Rams. Because lets face it, Raiders still have the biggest fan base in LA. So instead Chargers get LA so that the Rams can become LA's team and win over the city.

 

[OldSchool]

They couldn’t even sell out 27k with all those Faider fans.