The Chargers experiment in LA is only getting worse.LOL

[bubbaramfan]

Chargers will always be the "red-headed step child" here in LA. If Dean-O wants his own city and venue, when it all plays out, His Chargers will end up in Mexico City. NFL will let him go with owners blessing, and Mexico City will welcome them with open arms and a full stadium every home game. Win-win for everybody.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

I wasn't aware of all that. Either way, he needs to just sell the team to someone who can take them back to San Diego and make it work. I think Larry Ellison of Oracle has a few billion $$$ of change in his couch cushions ...

the NFL should have never approved the vegas move that way davis would have had to sell the team to a guy like Larry Ellison.Many oakland fans were beating the drums for him to become their new owner.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

Facts? How about they won a super bowl here? Great way to endear yourself to a fan base is by winning. Raiders did a lot of that - and had Bo Jackson and Marcus Allen. Tom Flores at coach really brought in strong support from the Hispanic community.

But the fights in the stands when they sucked, NWA, all the gangs wearing the jerseys - maybe you don’t remember. It got bad and Davis turned down Inglewood’s $1M stadium to go back to Oakland because he’s dumb.

Anyways - I’m glad the Rams are here. They are set up to be extremely successful here and their fan base isn’t full of knuckleheads.

SK is better than Mark and Dean - doesn’t matter what his record is he’s better than Beavis and Butthead. He has his own money, land, and has a winner being built here for years to come. The other 2 clowns needed handouts.

Boy did it ever get bad.Howie Long went public and said that him and many of his teammates stopped taking their familys to games because they feared for the safety of their lives. because of the LA gang,Oakland fans still to this day get an unfair bad rap. Davis indeed turned down the Inglewood site cause yeah,he was dumb.He had good football knowledge but he was not a good businessman at all.

I really think though the main reason he turned down the Inglewood site is because after being there in LA for five years or so,he hinted he wanted to go back to LA when he told the newspapers me missed the load roars of the OAKLAND crowds.

I call them dumb and dumber but i like yours on those two clowns better,thats great.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

My uncle was business partners with weird Al and had season tickets. He said said the same thing when we went to the Chefs v Raiduh game. I also witnessed it first hand. Red everywhere except the cheap seats in the end zone where they also had cops lining the walkways. I thought that was odd until the game started and a fight would break out every five minutes. Mind you, this was Raiduh fan on Raiduh fan.

I’ve been to Oakland for a couple Rams v Raiduh games. Los Angeles Raiduh fans were NOT LA Raiduh fans. Yeah - beat that. I felt safer in Oakland.

Its very interesting that you say that and that is not a surprise in the least fights broke out every five minutes with the Raiders in LA,a lot of the fights were Raider fans fighting themselves is what is really comical about it.LOL

Yeah I have heard the same thing from many of the Oakland fans that the opposing fans have always left Oakland telling them how much fun they had there at the game and that they wanted to come back. Its sad that so many people dont understand that the oakland fans are not at all violent like the LA gangs were,that oakland gets the unfair bad rap still because of them.Before the Raiders moved to LA,they were only known as the outlaws,there was never any talk back then about them being gangsters and thugs.

 

[snackdaddy]

couldn't give a lesser crap about attendance. LA is a transplant city, always going to have opposing fans. This will never be like Green Bay or Philly, tho who the hell moves to those cities?

Will add, the coliseum is beyond horrific. Gut a sunburn in the Arizona game, parking is a joke (a big deal in LA) and literally half the stadium was under construction.

Yeah, LA is a transplant city. Not to mention a whole generation of fans lost being away for two decades. So it isn't surprising attendance was spotty early on and opposing fans were many. But its improving now. I hear people say there were a lot of Viking fans at the game but near the end Joe Buck mentioned the Rams fans were overwhelming the Viking fans.

The crowd sure sounded pro Rams on TV. And people who were there mentioned all the support for the Rams with so many Rams fans in attendance. With the winning comes support. I imagine it will be even better in two more years.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

Rams have taken a lot of flack, and so have the fans, for being less popular in LA. This week they went head to head in LA with the Raiders and Chargers and won the tv ratings.


View: https://twitter.com/FredNBCLA/status/1049310261667090432

what the LAMESTREAM media fails to mention when talking about how the ratings were so bad in LA the last couple years is they fail to mention the valid good reasons LA had for not showing up for games in LA towards the end of the season tjeir first year in LA AND during the first half of the season last year and for tuning out the Rams during that time in viewership.

The REASON Ram fans were staying away in the second half of the first season In LA was not because they were losing but because they hated the PRODUCT they had on the field. Kroneke failed to convince anybody in LA that he was interested in winning in LA the fact he brought along Jeff Fisher the worst coach in the NFL along with him there.I was flabbergasted that he did that.I NEVER expected Kroneke to bring him to LA with him.

Then he kept him for most the season and because of THAT,fans stayed away from the games and the tv set,Not because of the losing.who wants to support a team when the owner is looking like he doesnt even care about winning there as is the obvious case with mark davis of the raiders? I could not blame the fans for staying away.I know I wouldnt have shown up for games until Kroneke got rid of Fisher if I lived out there.

The fans had signs all over the place that said Fire Fisher.It did not look like Kroneke was listening to them for the longest time so who can blame them for not showing up.I cant. then last year they still had the bad taste in their mouth of Jeff Fisher even though he was gone that they stayed away most the time in the first half. Then when it was obvious Mcvey was NOTHING like Fisher and WAS a good coach who knew what he was doing,the fans since then have been packing them in.

 

[EastRam]

No team other than the GB Packers are exempt from moving.

The NFL will always follow the money. Every team that has moved is an owner chasing money.

Fans don't matter. Cities don't matter.

None of the teams that have moved were ever losing money. They just weren't making enough money to satisfy the lust for more money.

Edit: Not one owner has ever moved a team and said I'm moving because we can't win in this market.

That's just life in the NFL.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

My different opinion is simple.
You have no idea how the Raiders are going to do in Vegas. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. You are however, entitled to your opinion. As am I in disagreeing.

And the Coliseum is NOT filled with opposition fans - of course there are some, always have been - it’s LA after all.

But simply said, you’re wrong, and as usual, have nothing to back up what is basically conjecture and opinion.

But I need to explain a different opinion rating?

Pretty funny Les.

Pretty funny indeed.that is some funny stuff LOL for anybody to say the Raiders will do well in vegas from what we know,its every bit as much a risky gamble for them in an unknown market as it was for the chargers in LA. Because from the facts we know,the raiders going to vegas is a major risky gamble and that is because vegas doesnt even pack them in for their college games in their hometown.they have problem getting butts in the seats for THOSE games.

Plus Vegas has the most poor population in the country with many working two jobs to support themselves. They are counting on visitors at hotels to flood those gates but all those vistors are going to be for the OPPOSING fans.LOL the LA fans wont drive down there for EVERY home game they have,just a couple or so you totally nailed it there that we dont know for sure how well the raiders are going to do there.zero,nada zip.for sure.:yay:

Thats funny as hell also that it was falsely mentioned the LA coliseum is opposed with opposing fans. sure the second half of the season in their first year back in LA when the fans were mad at Kroneke for keeping Jeff Fisher as long as he did.:rolllaugh: That of course carried over into the first half of the season last year as well cause as i said,they still had the bad taste in their mouth of Jeff Fisher. But once they saw that Mcvey was nothing like Fisher and was not an idiot like him,the opposing teams fans were far fewer than Rams fan in the second half of the season last year and this year as well.

someone did not watch the vikings/Rams game either because it was shown to the whole world the vikings had a very small minority of fans there for that game,that the Rams fans GREATLY outnumbered them,you could easily tell with all those thousands of waving yellow towels when they scored.very few for the vikings when they scored.

someone around here is wrong all the time as usual indeed.just as you said so well:rolllaugh:

and please,lets stop the nonsense I am belittiing anyone as mentioned earlier ,addrressing a post and proving someone doesnt know what their talking about all the time is not attacking someone,its just correcting them.major big difference.LOL

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

Thx for posting that OS. The real "battle for LA" is between the Rams and Raiders and from recent TV logs, Rams are winning.

What a lot of the LA Raider fans that want the Raiders back cant accept is even BEFORE the Rams came back to LA,the Rams in that REAL battle for LA between the two biggest fan bases of the three,the Rams won that battle YEARS ago,here are three facts to prove it.

Just look up the attendance numbers the year the Raiders went to the superbowl in LA,that stadium was half empty all the time averaging just over 42,000 a year,then the next year AFTER winning the superbowl,for the HOME OPENER no less the Raiders had,they drew a crowd of just over 46,000 for that game. The Rams on the other hand drew a crowd of over 65,000 for their home opener that year.The OAKLAND Raiders might have won a superbowl out there in LA but clearly nobody in LA cared.:rolllaugh:

Then when the LA times did a poll between football fans in 2014 thinking the NFL would be back in LA by 2015,the Chargers to no surprise came in at just 5% of the votes,Raiders SECOND,at 35% of the votes,and Rams in first with 60% of the votes. Then when the Raiders organized a rally for Raider fans to come out and support the effort to get them back,they had a laughable turnout of around just over 100 or so.:rolllaugh: The Rams though,guess? over a 1000 at the LA coliseum.

LA is CLEARLY and has always been Rams country you just obviously did not see as many people in their Ram jerseys out in LA as you did Raider fans because they went into hiding after they left for st louis where the raiders still had them in the same state.The Rams fans are not in hiding anymore though.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

couldn't give a lesser crap about attendance. LA is a transplant city, always going to have opposing fans. This will never be like Green Bay or Philly, tho who the hell moves to those cities?

Will add, the coliseum is beyond horrific. Gut a sunburn in the Arizona game, parking is a joke (a big deal in LA) and literally half the stadium was under construction.

Next time put on better suntan oil.LOL while true that LA is a transplant city and there will be opposing fans,and they will never be like green bay,philly or denver,the REASON the Rams will succeed in LA is unlike the Raiders,they have the history and tradition. and not just a limited fanbase to support them as the Raiders do out there. For most The 49 years they were there before the move to the midwest,they always ranked in the top five in league attendance. "Brought back the LA Rams proved that in one of their blogs" and I assume you watched the Vikings game correct? That game you could see the obvious the Ram fans took over that stadium and greatly outnumbered the viking fans.

Other than the early ninety when the evil woman owner dismantled the team trading away eric dickerson,kevin greene and others did the fans get so sick of her they stopped showing up for games.hey stopped showing up not because of the poor play on the field but because they hated the OWNER of the team,they begged her to sell.when she would not,they did not want to give her a dime more of their money which they did not realise played into her hands so she could claim she was not getting fan support so she could move the team to her hometown where she was a showgirl slut. she is burning in hell now.LOL

prior to that,these were common crowds the Rams had in the decades of the 50's until the early 90's.

oh and i know you will love these two videos as well,you can see the shots of the fans in BOTH the LA coliseum in the first one and in the second one being in anaheim.packed stadiums.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP61GDj25x8


did you watch that video above? looks like not an empty seat in the house to me.DONT go by just the photo,watch the VIDEO.
same story below,looks like a packed house to me.LOL


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iepQ6vAipA

 

[bubbaramfan]

What most don't know is the Rams held the attendance record for a regular season game for over 55 years.
On Nov 9th 1958 for a game vs the 49ers at the LA Colesium, a paid attendance of over 97,000 and a total attendance of over 102,000 for that game.

The Rams regularly drew over 90,000 in the 50's, 60's and 70's.

 

[1maGoh]

SK doesn't have the best track record with his franchises. He has been fortunate with the Rams but go look around at the other teams he owns

That's the exact opposite of the narrative that was popular when he initially bought the team. When he bought the Rams, every team he owned was recently very successful (consistent playoff appearance and a few championship appearances, maybe a win; I don't remember exactly). That was part of the excitement in him buying the Rams. Once he had to turn ownership and control over to his family, they stopped being successful. Coincidentally, once the Rams got to SK's preferred location the Rams have been successful.

This recent look at his franchises that he doesn't run anymore had no bearing on the supposed quality owner that he was when he did own and run them. And just like those franchises then, the Rams are successful now.

If that doesn't fit your world view, I'm sorry. It is what it is, though.

 

[LesBaker]

That's the exact opposite of the narrative that was popular when he initially bought the team. When he bought the Rams, every team he owned was recently very successful (consistent playoff appearance and a few championship appearances, maybe a win; I don't remember exactly). That was part of the excitement in him buying the Rams. Once he had to turn ownership and control over to his family, they stopped being successful. Coincidentally, once the Rams got to SK's preferred location the Rams have been successful.

This recent look at his franchises that he doesn't run anymore had no bearing on the supposed quality owner that he was when he did own and run them. And just like those franchises then, the Rams are successful now.

If that doesn't fit your world view, I'm sorry. It is what it is, though.

You obviously don't follow basketball or hockey because neither of his teams have had much success since he bought them so it has nothing to do with worldview it's a matter of wins and losses and the title that has hockey team won it one with everybody that was in place when he already bought the team since then they have sucked

 

[LesBaker]

NFL owners were 'miffed' with Spanos for moving Chargers, per new book

This is complete bullshit. The owners made it a requirement that Kroenke build the stadium to house two teams........offices, locker rooms and all..........and gave TWO teams the right to move there. SD had first right and said out loud they were going unless a new stadium in SD was handed to them.

How could they be "miffed". That's a flat out lie. Everyone knew it was going to happen.

The problem for him is that upon selling, he'll be selling a team without a fan base and without a stadium (renting isn't owning as every billionaire is keenly aware).

Again the rent thing......it's a dollar a year. He's getting many of the benefits of owning a stadium for a buck a year.



It's been that way for awhile haha.

Chargers will always be the "red-headed step child" here in LA. If Dean-O wants his own city and venue, when it all plays out, His Chargers will end up in Mexico City. NFL will let him go with owners blessing, and Mexico City will welcome them with open arms and a full stadium every home game. Win-win for everybody.

Nah. If the Rams go in the tank people will stop showing up. It's just that way in pro sports because of the cost to go to a game.

If the Rams are putting a 4-6 win team on the field and the Chargers are winning 9-12 games and hosting playoff games guess who will sell more tickets.........

 

[Akrasian]

Again the rent thing......it's a dollar a year. He's getting many of the benefits of owning a stadium for a buck a year.

He's also missing out on many of the benefits of owning a stadium, many of the revenue resources by contract are going to pay off the stadium - i.e. are going to Kroenke, who owns the stadium and all the stuff around it. That's costing Spanos many millions a year in revenue - revenue going to Kroenke. While the rent is nominally a dollar a year, losing out on many millions in revenue matters just as much. If he'd taken a lesser stadium deal in LA at a higher price, with more beer, etc. than he would have sold in San Diego he'll be okay. So far though it doesn't appear that will be the case. Selling tickets to visitors won't be a good solution, since that will likely hurt home field advantage, making it harder to win and hurting the development of a local fan base.

And yes, the NFL has to be concerned since revenue is partially shared. If the Chargers did well in the move, that would be one thing. The Chargers sucking and making such idiotically short sighted decisions as playing in a tiny soccer stadium and trying to make up for it with outrageous prices is hurting the Chargers and other teams. Chargers should have played in the Rose Bowl or another large stadium, and charged low to build up the fan base, for long term success.

 

[LesBaker]

Selling tickets to visitors won't be a good solution, since that will likely hurt home field advantage, making it harder to win and hurting the development of a local fan base.

I don't think any owners care who buys the tickets and beer though.

The Chargers sucking and making such idiotically short sighted decisions as playing in a tiny soccer stadium and trying to make up for it with outrageous prices is hurting the Chargers and other teams. Chargers should have played in the Rose Bowl or another large stadium, and charged low to build up the fan base, for long term success.

I agree, that was a bad move on their part.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

You left out the Raiduhs at #30.

Yeah but thats unfair for them to rank the Raiders at #30 and to put them in the same breath as the Chargers at not drawing well like they try and say..

In 2012 they put the tarps over the stadium and reduced the capacity to 53,200. People did not sit in the mount davis seats because they were such horrible seats and the view was obstructed was why they did not sell out during those years.Prior to the Mouth Davis seats.that stadium was constantly ALWAYS packed and you could hardly ever find an empty seat in the house.

They fail to mention in that article that the reason they are ranked at number 30 is because they have the smallest stadium capacity of all 32 teams in the NFL. You watched the Rams/Raiders monday night game right? I am sure you then also noticed as i did that the place was packed right?

The Coliseum's new capacity will be 53,250, by far the smallest in the NFL. (Chicago's Soldier Field is second, at 61,500.) Season ticket


Prior to the move from Oakland to LA when they did not have the Mt Davis seats.every sunday their games always looked like this.a packed house just like these pics below.

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x808f85c31b8063f1:0x7057c9bec0f06fd5!2m22!2m2!1i80!2i80!3m1!2i20!16m16!1b1!2m2!1m1!1e1!2m2!1m1!1e3!2m2!1m1!1e5!2m2!1m1!1e4!2m2!1m1!1e6!3m1!7e115!4shttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/p/AF1QipN1xsDVI6QRbiqTCJln83g2fTHTB60_G1F8q5tt=w240-h160-k-no!5soakland+alameda+county+coliseum+seating+capacity+-+Google+Search&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipN1xsDVI6QRbiqTCJln83g2fTHTB60_G1F8q5tt&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjUiribtP_dAhUD-6wKHQ0cAN4QoiowDXoECAgQCQ

NO WAY can the media put a spin on this and even think about putting the Raiders in the same breath as the Chargers at not drawing well.

apples and oranges from them to rank the Raiders at 30. :rolllaugh:

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

View: https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1049665461879824386

Alex would never have sold the team if he still remained the owner.The last ten years he had dementia and was not really aware of what was going on around him.Because of that,many that knew him dont think he even knew about the relocation. Dean totally stabbed him in the back.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

Growing up the Rams were generally in the hunt most seasons. Attendance was very good - near or at the top of the league. I think with few exceptions, a team has to be winning fairly regularly to maintain the home crowd.

LA is not a bad sports town even though there is far more to do than most NFL cities. The fans do show up but it may take several winning seasons before that is a regular thing.

Hell - the Portland Trailblazers sold out for I think it was 15 straight seasons until the Trail Gangsta days when Witset (sp?) put out some unwatchable teams. Go figure.... attendance started to tank. If you look at the stands in the Pittsburg v Chefs game in Pittsburgh this season, there were plenty of empty seats and that place is usually packed.

Home crowds won’t show up to be embarrassed. It’s not an LA thing.

The Bring the Rams back to LA site they documented how the Rams the majority of their time in the LA coliseum,always ranked in the top five in league attendance.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

What most don't know is the Rams held the attendance record for a regular season game for over 55 years.
On Nov 9th 1958 for a game vs the 49ers at the LA Colesium, a paid attendance of over 97,000 and a total attendance of over 102,000 for that game.

The Rams regularly drew over 90,000 in the 50's, 60's and 70's.

Dont forget to mention as well that the Rams first preseason game back in LA in the 2016 season set a record for the largest pre season attendance record in America as well.