The Chargers experiment in LA is only getting worse.LOL

[Mackeyser]

Spanos would not be paying relocation fees if he'd stayed in SD. He was already in SD. The point is discussing the downsides to the move he already committed to. The Chargers are on rails now and they must see this bad move until the end.

Spanos can do nothing to salvage the situation here.

Also, playing in a top tier stadium with zero access to significant revenue resources means he will struggle to sign franchise players because he won't have the liquid cash to do it.

Afaik, the escrow must be fully funded, it cannot be leveraged (the NFLPA would never go for that, otherwise a cash-strapped owner could literally be in position to not be able to pay a bonus).

Spanos won't own the franchise forever, no one does.

The problem for the NEXT owner is that the Chargers are at the bottom of fan attendance and revenues, including licensing revenues and the new stadium doesn't increase his income substantially. It may reduce costs, but not so much that the net is substantially better.

Paying nothing in rent doesn't change the revenue model, it simply allows for reduced income. The problem is that the revenue reductions I'd wager are much greater than anticipated. Fans didn't just "get over" the move. They aren't filling StubHub. Even with dirt cheap tickets, they're only close to capacity due to other team's fans seeing a chance to see their team. Once in the new stadium, how many Charger fans are going to pony up for legit expensive tickets? Pretty sure when those numbers come out that they will be abysmal.

As for Spanos' liquid situation, seeing as it will take 5+ years to sort out all Fred Spanos' estate including what to liquidate to pay taxes (the taxes on his estate eclipses the total net worth of all his children combined), the Spanos' are in no position to put, say $80M in escrow when Bosa comes up for his contract or $40M for Gordon.

Bottom line is that the Chargers have very little in liquid revenue that only decreases by the day and Spanos doesn't have the liquidity to simply put out tons of cash (which may have been a big part of why he wasn't interested in SD at all unless they simply gave him everything).

To put it simply, even paying $16M in rent in SD was far better insofar as their revenues eclipsed that by a fair margin.

Reducing the rent to nothing does improve their cash flow a little bit and it would have been quite a lot IF they still garnered fan support. With so little fan support, that revenue number plummets.

Why's that a problem? The differential was greater in SD, so they are netting less money now. Moreover, they have less access to supplemental or ancillary income like parking and concessions which could also extend to concerts and other events. THAT's the benefit of owning.

The Spanos' are so boxed in that the only thing that can save them is the one thing they will never have thanks to this move...fan support. The TV contract and opposing fans aren't enough to save them.

 

[Mackeyser]

That's just not true.

I was mistaken as to how much revenue would be cut off. Apparently, Kroenke is more generous than Autry was.

As 503 noted, the many of the typical revenue sources will substantially be devoted to construction costs.

So, you can he pays nothing in rent, but that's not really true and it's a gross mischaracterization of the accounting on this.

In SD, he'd have more access to revenue sources that he either has no part of now or has to give 80% towards construction costs.

Bottom line is that he'd have more revenue coming in and less costs.

This was a move to increase the value of the team.

It makes no sense if the goal was to remain a long time owner.

It makes tons of sense if the goal is to sell the team, even if it's been nuked from orbit to do it.

Any new owner is going to have to factor not only the lack of a fanbase, but an entire former fan base which is actively antagonistic.

But yeah, if the only goal was to increase the value to sell the team, he did it.

Beyond that, it was maybe the dumbest move an NFL franchise owner has ever done.

It really can't be understated how badly the Chargers are performing as a financial entity right now.

 

[Karate61]

Uhh lay off on the SD fans,.I salute and admire them for NOT showing up to the carson games..Spanos gave them the middle finger,they are returning the favor by giving him the middle finger in return. a great deal of charger fans are in the OC and they have done the same thing. The san diego fans are VERY SMART in doing this.Because of this,the NFL is miffed at spanos because he has embarrassed the league for doing this.

They cant air prime time games in Carson because of the embarrassment of the opposing fans taking over. BECAUSE of the SD fans,there is a very good chance they will come back to SD in the future under a new owner.this cant continue in LA with nobody supporting the chargers.

and the charger fans are over their grief,just like you got over your grief when the Rams left. They arent whining anymore than you did.Most are LAUGHING now over how spanos has embarrassed the league over this.

I didnt quit the Rams when Georgia tore them away. I'm a Rams Fan, not an "Owner of the Rams" fan. Who cares about the owner for the most part. Except for Jerry, you don't see or hear from owners much.

Now, I even traveled to games in St. Louis. Yeah, got the van to the airport, plane tickets, rental car and hotel room just to go to a Rams game. Spent all that money.

I wholly disagree that you have to give up your favorite team because you don't like the owner. Glad I didn't.

So, whiny Charger fans got it easy. They can take a short drive to watch their team, and be back home the same day. After what us LA Rams fans have been through, I say stfu charger fans. Charger fans have little idea what it's like for their team to pack up and head to a galaxy far, far away!

 

[RamFan503]

That's just not true.

I was mistaken as to how much revenue would be cut off. Apparently, Kroenke is more generous than Autry was.

As 503 noted, the many of the typical revenue sources will substantially be devoted to construction costs.

So, you can he pays nothing in rent, but that's not really true and it's a gross mischaracterization of the accounting on this.

In SD, he'd have more access to revenue sources that he either has no part of now or has to give 80% towards construction costs.

Bottom line is that he'd have more revenue coming in and less costs.

This was a move to increase the value of the team.

It makes no sense if the goal was to remain a long time owner.

It makes tons of sense if the goal is to sell the team, even if it's been nuked from orbit to do it.

Any new owner is going to have to factor not only the lack of a fanbase, but an entire former fan base which is actively antagonistic.

But yeah, if the only goal was to increase the value to sell the team, he did it.

Beyond that, it was maybe the dumbest move an NFL franchise owner has ever done.

It really can't be understated how badly the Chargers are performing as a financial entity right now.

I’m not going to look it up right now or claim to know the ins and outs but somehow by my understanding, Spanos would have been stuck with almost no new PSL revenue had he stayed in SD. Also, the luxury sweet income would have gone to the city.

By one article I read, he has more in revenue streams with that almost 20% in LA than he would have received in SD and also wouldn’t have received axillary incomes or parking. But if I recall, that was from ESPN so take it for what it’s worth.

Regardless, it doesn’t look like a huge cash flow increase for Dean and like you said, he may face a huge problem with the whole estate dilemma ala Georgia’s kids when all is said and done. It really depends on how the lead up to AS’s death was handled.

I have to think that the Spanos family will end up having to either sell or take on partners.

 

[LesBaker]

I’m not going to look it up right now or claim to know the ins and outs but somehow by my understanding, Spanos would have been stuck with almost no new PSL revenue had he stayed in SD. Also, the luxury sweet income would have gone to the city.

By one article I read, he has more in revenue streams with that almost 20% in LA than he would have received in SD and also wouldn’t have received axillary incomes or parking. But if I recall, that was from ESPN so take it for what it’s worth.

Regardless, it doesn’t look like a huge cash flow increase for Dean and like you said, he may face a huge problem with the whole estate dilemma ala Georgia’s kids when all is said and done. It really depends on how the lead up to AS’s death was handled.

I have to think that the Spanos family will end up having to either sell or take on partners.

Spanos is a greedy pig so if the money was better in SD in an old stadium he'd have stayed. He's going to make a lot more in LA because essentially the stadium is "his" on Chargers home games. Luxury box revenues, naming rights, in game ads on electronic mediums, all that stuff is going to line his pockets. The NFL made sure of that when they worked out the lease structure between Kroenke and Spanos.

The idea of "poor" Spanos being a lowlife tenant is laughable, he's going to be piling up cash.

Your point about the estate issue is valid and we have recently seen two teams go up for sale because families didn't have the money to write the checks. Our Rams and the Ravens. Unless the family planned carefully there may be something there.

Bottom line is that he'd have more revenue coming in and less costs.

This was a move to increase the value of the team.

It makes no sense if the goal was to remain a long time owner.

It makes tons of sense if the goal is to sell the team, even if it's been nuked from orbit to do it.

Any new owner is going to have to factor not only the lack of a fanbase, but an entire former fan base which is actively antagonistic.

But yeah, if the only goal was to increase the value to sell the team, he did it.

Beyond that, it was maybe the dumbest move an NFL franchise owner has ever done.

It really can't be understated how badly the Chargers are performing as a financial entity right now.

I'm not so sure about all this.

He will make more money every year in the new stadium than he would have in either a new stadium in SD or the old one. So it's not only about the value of the team. It's very possible that they moved it to LA simply because they knew that their father was elderly and could/would pass at some point in the not to distant future. But if they keep the team they won't be in the poorhouse.

This wasn't a dumb move.

 

[LesBaker]

The spot in Inglewood simply won't be tenable long term for the Chargers.

This to me is a different sort of issue.

I'm not sure LA can support two teams, and certainly we have seen the city not show up for Rams games in large numbers when they were losing and no fun to watch. So unless two winning teams are taking the field it could be very bad.

The financial part isn't a big deal, the cap and other revenue streams keep owners well funded but empty stadiums look bad on TV.

Owners have been fleecing fans at games for a long time, and rising costs will at some point make it totally unattractive to take in a game in person. When the cost is nearly 700 bucks for a family of 4 to go watch a 6-10 team play there will be lots of empty seats.

This will be an interesting few years.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

Hell, I love San Diego (specifically Point Loma) more than any place I have lived...No shame in that.

that was something the NFL greatly overlooked is that people in the OC they LOVED coming to san diego to see all the great sites out there.It was a refreshing change for them to take in the sites of SD and get away from the hustle and bustle of LA once in a great while.

When the Rams came back to LA,That year Angel fans came here to kansas city for a game and i went only for the sole purpose to ask them if they were as excited as i was about the rams return to LA and I was surprised that most were charger fans and was even more surprised when they told me they were bummed out their chargers were going to leave SD.so they same as SD fans for sure have had an impact on visiting teams taking over the joint.LOL

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

How much are the Chargers losing in gate and licensing alone.

I'd bet they are losing money on the deal, even with the prospects of paying "only" a dollar.

In order to make the argument solely about rent, one must ignore the opportunity costs which abound here.

I'm pretty certain that an economic analysis will determine that they will have a net negative once all factors are considered including only paying $1 in rent, and consider that they are still paying rent at StubHub, the short term negatives are even worse.

Also, I understand that gate is a neutral revenue source insofar as it doesn't really matter in an economic sense who sits in the chairs if they're paid for. Revenue is revenue. It certainly affects ancillary revenues for licensed merchandise down to those fan cups that convince fans to buy a 32 oz soda for $15 with team graphics on it...

The ultimate point is that the rent isn't the be all or end all. It's one of many economic factors and popular teams generate much more than that.

What the Chargers are finding is that they have no home, their licensing is worth almost nothing and their only revenue is the gate from a half-sized stadium and the monies from the TV packages.

Also, being a renter, don't think Kroenke is going to give Spanos a share of the parking which is huge nor is Spanos going to get much if any of the concessions. With so many ancillary revenue sources cut off in the name of cheap rent, the only other sources would mostly be licensing based and by decimating their fan base, they have very little of that coming in.

Playing in a palace won't change things. All it will mean is a bit more gate.

What's the upshot of this?

My wager is that they trade away Bosa rather than pay him because he's likely to get a contract similar to Mack and as we found out, guarantees have to be escrowed and Spanos doesn't have the liquid cash to escrow huge bonuses.

They have a few years, but it'll be the same issues Mark Davis has now with the Raiders. They simply don't have the liquid cash to be competitive owners. That might be overcome with fan support which bolsters significant licensing revenues, but while the Raiders will likely pull that off, it's almost certain the Chargers will not.

Its a GIVEN the chargers wont.LOL

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

Georgia moved the team from Anaheim expressly because she and the Rams were in a similar situation at the Big A.

No parking, no concessions and half the gate went to the other team..AND they paid rent. Gene Autry gave no breaks.

The Chargers will play in a shiny new palace, but Spanos will NOT enjoy much of the benefits.

That's like saying a person would get much of the benefits of paying $1 for rent to stay in a mansion. Beyond living there, there are no tax breaks, no revenue from other events like concerts or boat shows, no PSL revenue, etc. And because a lot of the food will be from contracted restaurants, that won't be included in any "concession" deal, even if Spanos gets any of the "hot dog and beer" money. Pretty sure Spanos isn't getting any of the parking revenue, either.

So, he's paying "only" a dollar while cutting off significant sources of revenue.

So, unless the licensing revenues for the Chargers can make up for the losses they will sustain because they no longer get that revenue like they did in SD, it's still going to be a net loss.

It'd be like if that renter couldn't park their car on mansion property, got no tax breaks and the only way they could make money would be via crowd funding... from a hostile population.

I don't know a lot about a lot, but I do know economics and the economics of this move for the Chargers NEVER made any sense.

Dean Spanos doesn't have the slightest clue and once he realizes that his fan base is minuscule and he can't gain any scale for licensing or anything else, he'll be either forced to sell the team or relocate.

The spot in Inglewood simply won't be tenable long term for the Chargers.

Great interesting stuff there.well said.

 

[Akrasian]

Luxury box revenues, naming rights, in game ads on electronic mediums, all that stuff is going to line his pockets.

They will get the ticket costs of the luxury boxes and some money from the less desirable luxury boxes, but most of the luxury boxes are classified as joint use - they aren't only selling the rights to them for Charger games, but for Rams games, for concerts, etc. All the luxury box pricing for those the Chargers get 18.5%, as do the Rams directly, with the vast majority going to pay for the stadium (i.e., going into Kroenke's pockets). They also only get 18.5% of the naming rights. The other things they were getting in San Diego anyway, while selling 60,000+ tickets. So unless they are successful in terms of popularity in LA, it's not clear they'll be financially more successful there than if they'd stayed in San Diego in the old stadium. Now, the direction the league is going is that towns are not as willing to pay the majority of stadium costs - they've realized it's a losing proposition for them. The teams that will have the financial wherewithal to be consistently successful are going to be ones that will get all of the revenues from a stadium that they built, with only some help from the local community (basically the infrastructure surrounding the stadium). If the Chargers had built a stadium down in San Diego, done it wisely, they would be getting enough revenue from it year round to be able to survive in the NFL. As it is, Spanos is almost certainly going to have to sell at some point to an owner with the money to run a NFL team, who likely will want his own stadium sooner rather than later.

Trading long term revenues for a cheap rent without access to a bunch of revenue is short sighted, and the product of an undercapitalized owner. Ditto for playing games for a few years in a soccer stadium, and selling tickets to fans of the visiting team instead of building up your fan base for long term ticket sales, gear sales, etc. There's just no reason to think that Spanos has any particular vision that will lead to long term success - he and the Chargers are certainly off to a miserable start - which will only get worse when Rivers inevitably declines.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

I didnt quit the Rams when Georgia tore them away. I'm a Rams Fan, not an "Owner of the Rams" fan. Who cares about the owner for the most part. Except for Jerry, you don't see or hear from owners much.

Now, I even traveled to games in St. Louis. Yeah, got the van to the airport, plane tickets, rental car and hotel room just to go to a Rams game. Spent all that money.

I wholly disagree that you have to give up your favorite team because you don't like the owner. Glad I didn't.

So, whiny Charger fans got it easy. They can take a short drive to watch their team, and be back home the same day. After what us LA Rams fans have been through, I say stfu charger fans. Charger fans have little idea what it's like for their team to pack up and head to a galaxy far, far away!

No they dont have it anywhere near as bad as you did but they sure as heck are not whining anymore .At least not anymore since most have gotten over it and are LAUGHING at how he has made a fool out of himself out there being the ONLY owner who has SIXTEEN road games all year long.:rolllaugh: Which was pretty much the case in st louis the majority of their years there other than the faulk/warner years.:rolllaugh:

AGAIN,you ignore the point they are SMART in giving him the middle finger in return and because of their wise actions,the NFL is greatly concerned about this.they are catching on that the chargers will NEVER succeed in LA.lol

if you think they are dumb for LAUGHING at the owner how he is failing in LA,well go ahead and tell them that,i hardly think they could care less.LOL they are laughing so hard over spanos failing so badly out there and ENJOYING how he is the only owner who has to deal with SIXTEEN road games all year long.:rolllaugh:

please dont make me repeat these facts again.lol

LA Lakers broadcaster Bill Macdonald ,he was so bitter about the Rams leaving LA,he said he rooted against them each week. Bill is my hero.I commend him for that. high five Bill.LOL


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT-MpkPbQWc

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

Luxury box revenues, naming rights, in game ads on electronic mediums, all that stuff is going to line his pockets.

So all that will make him not care and enjoy the embarassment he is suffering being the ONLY NFL owner who will always have SIXTEEN road games all year long? I dont think so.hee hee
I dont know spanos personally but I am guessing he is not going to enjoy that nor having the owners miffed at him for moving.and give it up,,they ARE miffed.:rolllaugh:

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

They will get the ticket costs of the luxury boxes and some money from the less desirable luxury boxes, but most of the luxury boxes are classified as joint use - they aren't only selling the rights to them for Charger games, but for Rams games, for concerts, etc. All the luxury box pricing for those the Chargers get 18.5%, as do the Rams directly, with the vast majority going to pay for the stadium (i.e., going into Kroenke's pockets). They also only get 18.5% of the naming rights. The other things they were getting in San Diego anyway, while selling 60,000+ tickets. So unless they are successful in terms of popularity in LA, it's not clear they'll be financially more successful there than if they'd stayed in San Diego in the old stadium. Now, the direction the league is going is that towns are not as willing to pay the majority of stadium costs - they've realized it's a losing proposition for them. The teams that will have the financial wherewithal to be consistently successful are going to be ones that will get all of the revenues from a stadium that they built, with only some help from the local community (basically the infrastructure surrounding the stadium). If the Chargers had built a stadium down in San Diego, done it wisely, they would be getting enough revenue from it year round to be able to survive in the NFL. As it is, Spanos is almost certainly going to have to sell at some point to an owner with the money to run a NFL team, who likely will want his own stadium sooner rather than later.

Trading long term revenues for a cheap rent without access to a bunch of revenue is short sighted, and the product of an undercapitalized owner. Ditto for playing games for a few years in a soccer stadium, and selling tickets to fans of the visiting team instead of building up your fan base for long term ticket sales, gear sales, etc. There's just no reason to think that Spanos has any particular vision that will lead to long term success - he and the Chargers are certainly off to a miserable start - which will only get worse when Rivers inevitably declines.

Gives standing ovation.:yay:

So unless they are successful in terms of popularity in LA, it's not clear they'll be financially more successful there than if they'd stayed in San Diego in the old stadium.

and it of course does not take a genius in the least to see he wont and that because of that,withing five to ten years he will have to sell the team and you KNOW that owner wont want to stay there and play second fiddle and suffer the humiliation Spanos is.He will be smart enough to take them back to SD where he knows there will be packed crowds like this that WILL embrace him each week..:rolllaugh:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU8ROQx5jZs



That might be Mexico since the chargers would be a good fit there though,it may not be SD.we'll see five to ten years from now..


the two identical videos that are the same i posted are from a home opener in SD in 2014 against the Seahawks who have a fanbase that travels VERY well and as you can hear from the roar of the loud SD crowds when Wilson gets sacked here,the majority of those fans were indeed Charger fans.

just INCREDIBLE that spanos gave up THIS,

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU8ROQx5jZs




for THAT.:rolllaugh: In that video against the seahawks,I see a packed house with most being charger fans,this photo below,I see a BUNCH of empty seats for the first game ever in LA for them since 1960 what do YOU all see?:rolllaugh:

In this photo in carson,the chargers first game in LA since 1960 against the seahawks again the same opponent,i see a bunch of empty seats,what you YOU see?:rolllaugh:

also in these two pics below,if i was a newbie to the NFL based on these two pics below and how the crowds roared for he chiefs and 49ers.MY guess would be the games were being played in kansas city and santa clara as well,wouldnt that be YOUR guess also?:rolllaugh:

there is ALSO a video out there on youtube of a forty niners fan who went to see last years game between the chargers and chiefs because him being a niners fan he is a fan of alex smith and wanted to see him play again and he was wearing a niners jersey with smiths name and number on it and he says in the video-everywhere i look,I see nothing but chiefs fans,I can hardly find any charger fans ANYWHERE.are you SURE were not playing in Kansas city? comedy gold.:rolllaugh:

 

[LesBaker]

f the Chargers had built a stadium down in San Diego, done it wisely, they would be getting enough revenue from it year round to be able to survive in the NFL.

The money made by owners is plenty for any of them to be competitive one way or the other. So that's not what makes them a team that can compete, it makes money in varying degrees depending on the deals in place.

LA Lakers broadcaster Bill Macdonald ,he was so bitter about the Rams leaving LA,he said he rooted against them each week. Bill is my hero.I commend him for that. high five Bill.LOL

So did you root for the Rams to lose too? Or are you just happy for him that he did it?

So all that will make him not care and enjoy the embarassment he is suffering being the ONLY NFL owner who will always have SIXTEEN road games all year long? I dont think so.hee hee
I dont know spanos personally but I am guessing he is not going to enjoy that nor having the owners miffed at him for moving.and give it up,,they ARE miffed.

Well, as you yourself say you don't know him personally so you can';t say.........even though you just did.

If you think he cares about what you think you're fooling yourself. He just fucked over a loyal fanbase for money.

You can cling to the miffed shit all you want. Realize the other 31 owners set up the move for him. They put together the lease, they gave him first right to move to LA, they voted for him to move. And now suddenly they are miffed.........according to a writer who is trying to sell his book. It's not been reported this way by any outlet, anywhere, since the move.

You strike me as bitter and angry that the Rams don't have the market to themselves and so you will belittle the situation that you clearly don't like. You'd be better served getting over it, and why you even care about who else plays in the stadium is curious. I can't stand Justin Bieber but I don't give a fuck if he plays in that stadium.

If anything you should be GLAD Spanos moved because if he didn't make the move Davis almost certainly would have and then there would be a real problem with fans in LA picking a team to follow.

 

[Merlin]

I'm a Rams Fan, not an "Owner of the Rams" fan. Who cares about the owner for the most part.

I've learned the hard way over the years that the owner matters.

Does he have the resources to get the best people. Does he allow the football people to run the show while he simply holds them accountable for the on-field product. Is he smart, determined, and competitive enough to not accept BS excuses for failure, while being patient enough to allow a regime enough time to build a winner given what they start with and available resources?

There are so many ways where an owner matters Karate. So many. It's why we mostly never had a real chance under Georgia, even when the stars finally did align her "football people" effed it up.

I get that a lot of our Missouri folk hate Stan. But IMO we're in very good hands now.

 

[EastRam]

No they dont have it anywhere near as bad as you did but they sure as heck are not whining anymore .At least not anymore since most have gotten over it and are LAUGHING at how he has made a fool out of himself out there being the ONLY owner who has SIXTEEN road games all year long.:rolllaugh: Which was pretty much the case in st louis the majority of their years there other than the faulk/warner years.:rolllaugh:

AGAIN,you ignore the point they are SMART in giving him the middle finger in return and because of their wise actions,the NFL is greatly concerned about this.they are catching on that the chargers will NEVER succeed in LA.lol

if you think they are dumb for LAUGHING at the owner how he is failing in LA,well go ahead and tell them that,i hardly think they could care less.LOL they are laughing so hard over spanos failing so badly out there and ENJOYING how he is the only owner who has to deal with SIXTEEN road games all year long.:rolllaugh:

please dont make me repeat these facts again.lol

LA Lakers broadcaster Bill Macdonald ,he was so bitter about the Rams leaving LA,he said he rooted against them each week. Bill is my hero.I commend him for that. high five Bill.LOL


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT-MpkPbQWc

Um no on having road games in St. Lou other than a few years.

Say what you want about the moves of the Rams. But don't think for a second that St. Louis fans didn't support the Rams by a large majority in the Dome at all times. You are just Wrong on that front.

 

[Mackeyser]

Spanos is a greedy pig so if the money was better in SD in an old stadium he'd have stayed. He's going to make a lot more in LA because essentially the stadium is "his" on Chargers home games. Luxury box revenues, naming rights, in game ads on electronic mediums, all that stuff is going to line his pockets. The NFL made sure of that when they worked out the lease structure between Kroenke and Spanos.

The idea of "poor" Spanos being a lowlife tenant is laughable, he's going to be piling up cash.

Your point about the estate issue is valid and we have recently seen two teams go up for sale because families didn't have the money to write the checks. Our Rams and the Ravens. Unless the family planned carefully there may be something there.



I'm not so sure about all this.

He will make more money every year in the new stadium than he would have in either a new stadium in SD or the old one. So it's not only about the value of the team. It's very possible that they moved it to LA simply because they knew that their father was elderly and could/would pass at some point in the not to distant future. But if they keep the team they won't be in the poorhouse.

This wasn't a dumb move.

It was a terrible move, literally and strategically.

The move only worked if the fan base was strong and paid for the product.

With the tremendous antipathy, the numbers just aren't there.

It's no different than a neighborhood family restaurant leaving a neighborhood where they had great success and ties to the community to move to a deluxe shopping center across town.

the move only makes sense if at least the former patrons continue to come and eat. If they, instead, are infuriated and insist they'll never eat there again, that restauranteur will have to either build a new clientele quickly, which in this instance isn't very likely, or they'll have to sell.

The move only guarantees certain revenues. Unpurchased boxes generate no revenue. Unpurchased concessions generate no revenue. Cars not parked generate no revenue (which will especially be the case if more visitors are at the games since the public transportation from the airport to Inglewood is pretty decent now.

It's all fine and well to say that they Chargers had the potential to make more, but I seriously doubt they will net more than they would have if they'd stayed in SD and fostered a very loyal and enthusiastic fan base.

They still have the rest of this year and all of next year in that shoe box with fewer and fewer home team fans attending each game.

They're not selling out the StubHub arena (which you know the Rams would have done in minutes).

And with the financial uncertainty of Dean Spanos over the next few years, how does the team fare if Rivers decides enough is enough or Bosa can't be paid because there's not enough liquid cash or if Gordon decides he wants to test FA because he doesn't like LA and has already said it's not his vibe...that it's too busy for him?

 

[RamFan503]

Spanos is a greedy pig

:deadhorse:

LA Lakers broadcaster Bill Macdonald ,he was so bitter about the Rams leaving LA,he said he rooted against them each week. Bill is my hero.I commend him for that. high five Bill.LOL

I am really unclear how this makes him your hero. I have been a Rams fan for over 50 years. At NO time did I ever root against them. And the LAST thing doing that would make someone is some kind of hero to me.

Which was pretty much the case in st louis the majority of their years there other than the faulk/warner years.:rolllaugh:

Not from anything I have seen or heard. Even the last season when attendance was low as most people knew the Rams would be leaving, that dome was LOUD as hell during the game we went to and clearly pro Rams. I have seen people talking about there being more bears fans at a couple games but not by the sound of the crowd when the Rams were on defense.

And just so you know. It is never going to be looked highly upon if you want to start bagging on St Louis fans. Many of them have showed more allegiance than you apparently did when the Rams left LA. It's not a path you want to take.

You strike me as bitter and angry that the Rams don't have the market to themselves and so you will belittle the situation that you clearly don't like. You'd be better served getting over it, and why you even care about who else plays in the stadium is curious. I can't stand Justin Bieber but I don't give a freak if he plays in that stadium.

Yeah - as much as I don't like the Chargers sharing our city and stadium, I also don't get this level of love for the potential failings of the Charger organization. I might find it humorous and great that the Chargers certainly look to be locking down the red headed step son role in LA but to this level?

 

[LesBaker]

Yeah - as much as I don't like the Chargers sharing our city and stadium, I also don't get this level of love for the potential failings of the Charger organization. I might find it humorous and great that the Chargers certainly look to be locking down the red headed step son role in LA but to this level?

I just don't understand the give a fucks about this.

 

[RamFan503]

I just don't understand the give a fucks about this.

I get the give a fuck. I just don’t get the huge fascination.