The Chargers experiment in LA is only getting worse.LOL

[KCLARAM FAN]

Yeah, LA is a transplant city. Not to mention a whole generation of fans lost being away for two decades. So it isn't surprising attendance was spotty early on and opposing fans were many. But its improving now. I hear people say there were a lot of Viking fans at the game but near the end Joe Buck mentioned the Rams fans were overwhelming the Viking fans.

The crowd sure sounded pro Rams on TV. And people who were there mentioned all the support for the Rams with so many Rams fans in attendance. With the winning comes support. I imagine it will be even better in two more years.

you nailed it,I dont think i could have ever said it better myself. "ALL" NFL stadiums always have some visiting fans there yet none of that gets mentioned here which is bizarre since the Rams cleary dont have the same problem the Chargers do and the Rams had when they were in st louis the majority of their years with a half empty stadium and most the fans being from the other opposing team.

Like you said so well,the Rams fans CLEARLY outnumbered Viking fans.It was not even close.With the way they are going strong and have only gotten better this year on offense,its a no brainer that the rest of their games will be like that as well with the LA fans GREATLY outnumbering the opposing fans same as in the Vikings and Chargers games.

and two years from now,if that defense plays just even a little bit better and can start dominating,you can count on it that two years from now it will be even better and bigger.Like you said so well,not having a team for over 20 years.other than the older folks that were around that were season ticket holders back then,its going to take some getting used to by the football fans out there.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

That's the exact opposite of the narrative that was popular when he initially bought the team. When he bought the Rams, every team he owned was recently very successful (consistent playoff appearance and a few championship appearances, maybe a win; I don't remember exactly). That was part of the excitement in him buying the Rams. Once he had to turn ownership and control over to his family, they stopped being successful. Coincidentally, once the Rams got to SK's preferred location the Rams have been successful.

This recent look at his franchises that he doesn't run anymore had no bearing on the supposed quality owner that he was when he did own and run them. And just like those franchises then, the Rams are successful now.

If that doesn't fit your world view, I'm sorry. It is what it is, though.

Gives standing ovation and tips cap.LOL

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

He's also missing out on many of the benefits of owning a stadium, many of the revenue resources by contract are going to pay off the stadium - i.e. are going to Kroenke, who owns the stadium and all the stuff around it. That's costing Spanos many millions a year in revenue - revenue going to Kroenke. While the rent is nominally a dollar a year, losing out on many millions in revenue matters just as much. If he'd taken a lesser stadium deal in LA at a higher price, with more beer, etc. than he would have sold in San Diego he'll be okay. So far though it doesn't appear that will be the case. Selling tickets to visitors won't be a good solution, since that will likely hurt home field advantage, making it harder to win and hurting the development of a local fan base.

And yes, the NFL has to be concerned since revenue is partially shared. If the Chargers did well in the move, that would be one thing. The Chargers sucking and making such idiotically short sighted decisions as playing in a tiny soccer stadium and trying to make up for it with outrageous prices is hurting the Chargers and other teams. Chargers should have played in the Rose Bowl or another large stadium, and charged low to build up the fan base, for long term success.

In running for the best post on the thread.:yay::yay: The league is totally embarrased by spanos asinine decisions he has made that have totally backfired on him as well.

Funny someone here is in denial mode the owners are miffed at spanos for moving.Yeah while true the stadium was built to have two teams,what the plan was they hoped spanos would stay in SD and work something out there,they just held out the LA option to him as a good gesture to appear that they were looking out after him.

They never thought he would be stupid enough to take it after going back to SD and not coming in at the same time with the Rams having to go in as the second team coming in playing second fiddle.they never thought he would actually seriously take the option given to him knowing that he could be king in SD with his own place rather than playing second fiddle.

They just wanted to have it built to house two teams so they could still use the threat of LA as leverage for other NFL teams when they needed new stadiums as they did for the past 22 years after the Raiders and Rams left.

Guess someone here was not aware of that bit of news and that the NFL wanted to experiment with ONE team for at LEAST five years before bringing in another which is WHY the Rams were the only one to go there during the 2016 season.:rolllaugh: someone around here clearly has not down their homework and are aware of the facts.

That was reported all over the place by Fred Roggin on his radio show back in 2015 when he always talked about the LA situation and NFL teams constantly everyday.Roggin had sources very well connected to the NFL like no other.he never once missed in his reporting on it. He always said the rams were a 100% done deal,that they would not be in st louis after 2015.He always said as well though that the chargers were 50/50 that the NFL really did not want the chargers to join the Rams,That they really wanted him to work something out and stay in san diego.

the NFL while they left the door open for the chargers to come and always said it was built for two teams,they never for a second believed that spanos would actually go ahead and do it.they totally underestimated him. they totally underestimated how badly he had burned his bridges there and how badly he wanted out of SD.they never for a split second thought he would actually do it.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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https://thebiglead.com/2018/10/11/melvin-gordon-chargers-los-angeles-misses-san-diego/

Chargers RB Melvin Gordon Doesn't Like LA, 'Loved' San Diego
Melvin Gordon


By: Ryan Phillips | 7 hours ago

Melvin Gordon is a key piece of what the Los Angeles Chargers are trying to build in their new city. Their go-to running back broke 1,000 yards for the first time last season and is averaging 4.6 yards per carry this year. It would really suck for the franchise if its 25-year-old star ball-carrier said he didn’t like the city it moved to and missed the one it came from.

Oh boy.

In a profile from SI’s Robert Klemko released on Thursday, Gordon discussed his disdain for his new city and how he pined for San Diego:

Father and son exchange game tickets and hugs, and Gordon is on the road to Carson. Soon enough, traffic slows to a crawl, and Gordon begins to calculate just how much of his game day he spends in his Range Rover. It’s a time for meditation, to get lost in the hip hop bellowing through the speakers—it’s not a time for brake lights. “I don’t really like this area too much, to be honest.”

And then the coup de grâce that will surely have Dean Spanos and his sons throwing things:

“I loved San Diego. It was my kind of energy, my kind of vibe. It was a perfect place for me. Everything was perfect.”

Ouch.

Here’s the thing, this has not been a secret around San Diego. Tons of former players have told reporters off-the-record that they missed San Diego and didn’t want to move north. Reporter Annie Heilbrunn pointed that out today:

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Good read by @RobertKlemko on Melvin Gordon (who gives a shout-out to SD below). For what it's worth, several players told me this off the record last season. (Doesn't change anything, and they realize that. Just a note.)https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/10/11/24-hours-melvin-gordon-game-day-chargers-49ers …

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I mean the franchise’s best player, Philip Rivers, didn’t even move to LA with the team and instead chose to commute every day.

This isn’t even the first time Gordon has claimed he missed San Diego, it’s been a repeated theme from him since the move.

UPDATE: Gordon now claims he was referring to Orange County, not LA. That’s some pretty quick backtracking, but Gordon does have tremendous footspeed. Also, last week he liked the following tweet by former teammate Stevie Johnson:


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But hey, maybe he really just has something against Costa Mesa. But Klemko and Gordon’s interview happened on game day, during a drive to the StubHub Center…which is in Carson…which is in LA County. Soooo….yeah.

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[Karate61]

December 24th, 1994 was one of the worst days of my life.

Was at the last Rams game in Anaheim ever, playing the Redskins. Lost the game. Everyone there knew Georgia was gonna get the team out of there.

About four or five minutes left in the game, someone dropped a huge sign off the railing of the 2nd tier bleachers. Great big all white sign with plain, but large letters. Excuse my french, but all the sign said was "GEORGIA IS A baby door".

It took about two minutes for security to take it down. The longest two minutes ever. I just sat there why the crowd went nuts over it, starring at it. At the time I wished I could make it go away; wave my wand and end this dreadful situation. I didn't leave the stadium til about 1/2 hour after the game, knowing it was gonna be the last time. My dad scored season tickets when they moved to Anaheim, when I was 13 years old. I only missed attending a few home games over the years. Over 100 games. This place was like a home away from home, and Georgia the bleep was ripping it away from us...2,000 miles away!

Ventura, LA, OC & SD; it's all one place to me. It's So Cal. I don't care if the Rams are in OC or LA; same dang place to me.

Now, Charger fans, are having a heart attack because they moved 100 miles down the road. Please. I can drive 100 miles in my sleep. Nothing like 2,000 miles!

Charger fans (my opinion) should stfu, get in the car and cruise up the hwy to watch their team. I'm not sure who I dislike more, Georgia or these whiny Charger Fans. You hate Spanos; try having Georgia you spoiled shits!

Rams don't rule LA; they rule all of Southern California!!!

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

December 24th, 1994 was one of the worst days of my life.

Was at the last Rams game in Anaheim ever, playing the Redskins. Lost the game. Everyone there knew Georgia was gonna get the team out of there.

About four or five minutes left in the game, someone dropped a huge sign off the railing of the 2nd tier bleachers. Great big all white sign with plain, but large letters. Excuse my french, but all the sign said was "GEORGIA IS A baby door".

It took about two minutes for security to take it down. The longest two minutes ever. I just sat there why the crowd went nuts over it, starring at it. At the time I wished I could make it go away; wave my wand and end this dreadful situation. I didn't leave the stadium til about 1/2 hour after the game, knowing it was gonna be the last time. My dad scored season tickets when they moved to Anaheim, when I was 13 years old. I only missed attending a few home games over the years. Over 100 games. This place was like a home away from home, and Georgia the bleep was ripping it away from us...2,000 miles away!

Ventura, LA, OC & SD; it's all one place to me. It's So Cal. I don't care if the Rams are in OC or LA; same dang place to me.

Now, Charger fans, are having a heart attack because they moved 100 miles down the road. Please. I can drive 100 miles in my sleep. Nothing like 2,000 miles!

Charger fans (my opinion) should stfu, get in the car and cruise up the hwy to watch their team. I'm not sure who I dislike more, Georgia or these whiny Charger Fans. You hate Spanos; try having Georgia you spoiled shits!

Rams don't rule LA; they rule all of Southern California!!!

Uhh lay off on the SD fans,.I salute and admire them for NOT showing up to the carson games..Spanos gave them the middle finger,they are returning the favor by giving him the middle finger in return. a great deal of charger fans are in the OC and they have done the same thing. The san diego fans are VERY SMART in doing this.Because of this,the NFL is miffed at spanos because he has embarrassed the league for doing this.

They cant air prime time games in Carson because of the embarrassment of the opposing fans taking over. BECAUSE of the SD fans,there is a very good chance they will come back to SD in the future under a new owner.this cant continue in LA with nobody supporting the chargers.

and the charger fans are over their grief,just like you got over your grief when the Rams left. They arent whining anymore than you did.Most are LAUGHING now over how spanos has embarrassed the league over this.

 

[Karate61]

Uhh lay off on the SD fans,.I salute and admire them for NOT showing up to the carson games..Spanos gave them the middle finger,they are returning the favor by giving him the middle finger in return. a great deal of charger fans are in the OC and they have done the same thing. The san diego fans are VERY SMART in doing this.Because of this,the NFL is miffed at spanos because he has embarrassed the league for doing this.

They cant air prime time games in Carson because of the embarrassment of the opposing fans taking over. BECAUSE of the SD fans,there is a very good chance they will come back to SD in the future under a new owner.this cant continue in LA with nobody supporting the chargers.

and the charger fans are over their grief,just like you got over your grief when the Rams left. They arent whining anymore than you did.Most are LAUGHING now over how spanos has embarrassed the league over this.

I'm just gonna go with you don't understand when to use the "inappropriate" in this forum.

Hint: It's not to be used just because you don't like or disagree with someone's opinion!

 

[Prime Time]

I'm just gonna go with you don't understand when to use the "inappropriate" in this forum.

The inappropriate in your previous post was removed. It was only an opinion. That's what the "Different Opinion" option is for.

 

[RamFan503]

I'm just gonna go with you don't understand when to use the "inappropriate" in this forum.

Hint: It's not to be used just because you don't like or disagree with someone's opinion!

Correct.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

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https://thebiglead.com/2018/10/11/melvin-gordon-chargers-los-angeles-misses-san-diego/

Chargers RB Melvin Gordon Doesn't Like LA, 'Loved' San Diego
Melvin Gordon


By: Ryan Phillips | 7 hours ago

Melvin Gordon is a key piece of what the Los Angeles Chargers are trying to build in their new city. Their go-to running back broke 1,000 yards for the first time last season and is averaging 4.6 yards per carry this year. It would really suck for the franchise if its 25-year-old star ball-carrier said he didn’t like the city it moved to and missed the one it came from.

Oh boy.

In a profile from SI’s Robert Klemko released on Thursday, Gordon discussed his disdain for his new city and how he pined for San Diego:

Father and son exchange game tickets and hugs, and Gordon is on the road to Carson. Soon enough, traffic slows to a crawl, and Gordon begins to calculate just how much of his game day he spends in his Range Rover. It’s a time for meditation, to get lost in the hip hop bellowing through the speakers—it’s not a time for brake lights. “I don’t really like this area too much, to be honest.”

And then the coup de grâce that will surely have Dean Spanos and his sons throwing things:

“I loved San Diego. It was my kind of energy, my kind of vibe. It was a perfect place for me. Everything was perfect.”

Ouch.

Here’s the thing, this has not been a secret around San Diego. Tons of former players have told reporters off-the-record that they missed San Diego and didn’t want to move north. Reporter Annie Heilbrunn pointed that out today:

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Good read by @RobertKlemko on Melvin Gordon (who gives a shout-out to SD below). For what it's worth, several players told me this off the record last season. (Doesn't change anything, and they realize that. Just a note.)https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/10/11/24-hours-melvin-gordon-game-day-chargers-49ers …

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I mean the franchise’s best player, Philip Rivers, didn’t even move to LA with the team and instead chose to commute every day.

This isn’t even the first time Gordon has claimed he missed San Diego, it’s been a repeated theme from him since the move.

UPDATE: Gordon now claims he was referring to Orange County, not LA. That’s some pretty quick backtracking, but Gordon does have tremendous footspeed. Also, last week he liked the following tweet by former teammate Stevie Johnson:


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Replying to @RumorsandRants @HeatherBrit
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But hey, maybe he really just has something against Costa Mesa. But Klemko and Gordon’s interview happened on game day, during a drive to the StubHub Center…which is in Carson…which is in LA County. Soooo….yeah.

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that is priceless.I LOVE it.Especially the part where he backpeddled and said he meant the OC,yeah right,in a pigs eye.LOL Give me a break he would never have said that about OC. Oc is too much similiar to SD where LA and SD are vastly different from each other.LOL

they obviously made a mistake in their printing as well when they said former players,they obviously meant CURRENT players. yeah i never thought of that how Rivers didnt even move to LA,how he commutes there. That tells you right there he has really got attached to SD and does not want to depart there.LOL

 

[RamFan503]

Oc is too much similiar to SD

Huh?

 

[Loyal]

that is priceless.I LOVE it.Especially the part where he backpeddled and said he meant the OC,yeah right,in a pigs eye.LOL Give me a break he would never have said that about OC. Oc is too much similiar to SD where LA and SD are vastly different from each other.LOL

they obviously made a mistake in their printing as well when they said former players,they obviously meant CURRENT players. yeah i never thought of that how Rivers didnt even move to LA,how he commutes there. That tells you right there he has really got attached to SD and does not want to depart there.LOL

Hell, I love San Diego (specifically Point Loma) more than any place I have lived...No shame in that.

 

[Mackeyser]

How much are the Chargers losing in gate and licensing alone.

I'd bet they are losing money on the deal, even with the prospects of paying "only" a dollar.

In order to make the argument solely about rent, one must ignore the opportunity costs which abound here.

I'm pretty certain that an economic analysis will determine that they will have a net negative once all factors are considered including only paying $1 in rent, and consider that they are still paying rent at StubHub, the short term negatives are even worse.

Also, I understand that gate is a neutral revenue source insofar as it doesn't really matter in an economic sense who sits in the chairs if they're paid for. Revenue is revenue. It certainly affects ancillary revenues for licensed merchandise down to those fan cups that convince fans to buy a 32 oz soda for $15 with team graphics on it...

The ultimate point is that the rent isn't the be all or end all. It's one of many economic factors and popular teams generate much more than that.

What the Chargers are finding is that they have no home, their licensing is worth almost nothing and their only revenue is the gate from a half-sized stadium and the monies from the TV packages.

Also, being a renter, don't think Kroenke is going to give Spanos a share of the parking which is huge nor is Spanos going to get much if any of the concessions. With so many ancillary revenue sources cut off in the name of cheap rent, the only other sources would mostly be licensing based and by decimating their fan base, they have very little of that coming in.

Playing in a palace won't change things. All it will mean is a bit more gate.

What's the upshot of this?

My wager is that they trade away Bosa rather than pay him because he's likely to get a contract similar to Mack and as we found out, guarantees have to be escrowed and Spanos doesn't have the liquid cash to escrow huge bonuses.

They have a few years, but it'll be the same issues Mark Davis has now with the Raiders. They simply don't have the liquid cash to be competitive owners. That might be overcome with fan support which bolsters significant licensing revenues, but while the Raiders will likely pull that off, it's almost certain the Chargers will not.

 

[Mackeyser]

Again the rent thing......it's a dollar a year. He's getting many of the benefits of owning a stadium for a buck a year.

Georgia moved the team from Anaheim expressly because she and the Rams were in a similar situation at the Big A.

No parking, no concessions and half the gate went to the other team..AND they paid rent. Gene Autry gave no breaks.

The Chargers will play in a shiny new palace, but Spanos will NOT enjoy much of the benefits.

That's like saying a person would get much of the benefits of paying $1 for rent to stay in a mansion. Beyond living there, there are no tax breaks, no revenue from other events like concerts or boat shows, no PSL revenue, etc. And because a lot of the food will be from contracted restaurants, that won't be included in any "concession" deal, even if Spanos gets any of the "hot dog and beer" money. Pretty sure Spanos isn't getting any of the parking revenue, either.

So, he's paying "only" a dollar while cutting off significant sources of revenue.

So, unless the licensing revenues for the Chargers can make up for the losses they will sustain because they no longer get that revenue like they did in SD, it's still going to be a net loss.

It'd be like if that renter couldn't park their car on mansion property, got no tax breaks and the only way they could make money would be via crowd funding... from a hostile population.

I don't know a lot about a lot, but I do know economics and the economics of this move for the Chargers NEVER made any sense.

Dean Spanos doesn't have the slightest clue and once he realizes that his fan base is minuscule and he can't gain any scale for licensing or anything else, he'll be either forced to sell the team or relocate.

The spot in Inglewood simply won't be tenable long term for the Chargers.

 

[LesBaker]

Funny someone here is in denial mode the owners are miffed at spanos for moving.Yeah while true the stadium was built to have two teams,what the plan was they hoped spanos would stay in SD and work something out there,they just held out the LA option to him as a good gesture to appear that they were looking out after him.

They never thought he would be stupid enough to take it after going back to SD and not coming in at the same time with the Rams having to go in as the second team coming in playing second fiddle.they never thought he would actually seriously take the option given to him knowing that he could be king in SD with his own place rather than playing second fiddle.

You are badly informed. The owners were not miffed and I called bullshit on the article. And your supposition is a poor use of bandwidth.

The owners voted to let the Chargers move. I think it was 30-2. They wanted to cash the relocation checks. The owners weren't MIFFED.

This is from an article related to the move at the time. They voted for a variance to their own charter to help the Chargers leave.

AND.......they OK'd the fucking lease. They helped put it together. So how could they be MIFFED?

They set the table for this. They gave Spanos the first chance here.

You just don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

The owners on Wednesday paved the way for the Chargers to move when they approved a proposal to let the team raise $325 million to pay for half of the $650 million relocation fee that would be required for it to move to Los Angeles.

Teams are ordinarily prohibited from having more than $250 million in debt.

The owners also approved a lease between the Chargers and the Rams — who are now building a stadium in Inglewood, Calif. — in the event the Chargers elect to move.

 

[RamFan503]

no PSL revenue

Apparently, each team will get to keep almost 20% of the PSL revenue they each generate with the remainder going toward construction costs. They will also split naming rights, sponsorship, and advertising revenues. Both the Rams and the Chargers have taken out G4 loans from the NFL in the amount of $200 mil each. They will also each receive about 20% of all other gates with 80% going to construction.

This is collected from several sources so I'm not going to footnote them. Bottom line is that while the Chargers will be receiving equal percentages of revenue streams from a few of the streams available, they apparently won't be getting concession revenue, parking, or any other axillary revenues from other events or functions.

Not only that but this $1 rent idea is pretty much pure fiction as much as saying the Rams are not paying ANY rent. The revenue streams are structured such that SD will pay a pretty big chunk of the cost of construction in exchange for not having to leverage their team and a guarantee that they will not have to pay for any cost over runs.

So Stan is going out on a limb here but Spanos better get his team playing well and earn himself some fans. To quote the song, "nuthin' from nuthin' leaves nuthin'... you gotta have something if you wanna be with... [Stan]." Spanos has far less risk but is only going to receive 20% and no equity beyond the value of his lease. Stan will receive the same 20% of shared revenues but control the rest AND own the stadium and everything else on the 298 acres.

 

[RamFan503]

I'm confused. Why would he pay $645 Million in relocation fees if he stayed in SD?

 

[RamFan503]

You just don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Cooler heads? Yeah?