Should we make a trade?

[Mojo Ram]

Or inject Whit with formaldehyde to keep him well preserved for another three years...

I've gotta be honest. I'm surprised the old man has looked good yet again this season.

 

[Loyal]

I've gotta be honest. I'm surprised the old man has looked good yet again this season.

He looks really good...

 

[jrry32]

I'm just saying that "Star" idea seems to be to get the best CB in the NFL more active in different quadrants of the game, instead locking down a guy and getting ignored all game. I don't like what happened in that play either, but Staley didn't get rolling with his defense until almost midway into the season. There were calls early on about missing Wade then, too...

The issue isn't using him as a STAR now and then. The issue is the soft, passive nature of Morris's take on Staley's scheme.

 

[XXXIVwin]

At the trade deadline in 2018, Rams biggest weakness was at EDGE, and Snead went out and made a bold trade for Dante Fowler. Fowler added juice to the rush and was a key part in the Super Bowl run.

This year, the two weakest links on the team are Long and Rapp. If Snead could pull off a last minute trade to upgrade at DB, I'd be pumped.

 

[dang]

At the trade deadline in 2018, Rams biggest weakness was at EDGE, and Snead went out and made a bold trade for Dante Fowler. Fowler added juice to the rush and was a key part in the Super Bowl run.

This year, the two weakest links on the team are Long and Rapp. If Snead could pull off a last minute trade to upgrade at DB, I'd be pumped.

Long and Rapp not performing is an issue but what position is the Biggest need for the Rams defense? FS, ILB, CB2?

 

[XXXIVwin]

Long and Rapp not performing is an issue but what position is the Biggest need for the Rams defense? FS, ILB, CB2?

IMHO the Rams are "good enough" at ILB. Young, Reeder, and Jones are decent enough-- at least they don't seem like obvious liabilities.

And in my opinion Rochell will prove to be clearly superior to Long.

So IMHO the biggest liability now is Rapp. And I don't see signs that the coaches have a ton of confidence in his potential replacements (Scott, Burgess, Hughes). So if we could somehow swing for a starting caliber safety, that would be awesome. After that, I'd vote for CB3, because we're so thin there.

 

[payote75]

But Staley did use him like that.
And the problems Thursday night? Did they have anything to do with how Ramsey was used? I'd say no.
Rest of the guys need to pick it up.
Moving Ramsey around created one of the ints.

Yea they actually did last year used in whatever way he basically shadowed Metcalf frustrating him to the point that he threw a tantrum on the side line. The geno smith touchdown Rochelle was the one on metcalf the 1st Metcalf td Ramsey was on him but safety was late etc.

On some Metcalf receptions I think one in particular for 22-27 yards when they replay it you just see Ramsey standing in open space like a safety or linebacker just roaming protecting space while Metcalf blows a smoke trail past his coverage.

As I stated he may be being used in a similar manner but somethings is not right. Also I mentioned last year Ramsey was happy about how he would be used but this year he blatantly said this role is going to be the same but different and he can't wait to be used in all these ways under morris. So something is a miss. Again we lost hill andJ JJ a favorite of mine but they weren't Lott and Darly Green. The personell is basically the same. Brockers Ebukam Morgan Fox missing but even with that we expect a drop top 10? top 15 defense? This is not it. Thus far I am not a fan of Morris unless he rights the ship.

 

[payote75]

Staley used Ramsey at the star position last year yes, but usually on early base-set downs, and moreso against teams without a #1 alpha WR. VS the teams with an elite WR, Ramsey played outside a lot and shadowed them 90% of the game.

I get the theory Morris has spoken of, thay Jalen is such a good tackler and physical player, he should be used more in the box or to combat the running game. But when his usage inside becomes a detriment to our coverage scheme its inexcusable. He's the best damn cover corner in the league. He should be used inside as a luxury when he doesn't need to cover an elite WR. Thats how Staley deployed him. When he needs to lock down a WR he should play outside the whole game and shut them down like last year. I just dont get why Morris is trying to overthink things. It's like he's trying to live up to Staley's genius instead of just playing sound, fundamental football. The shit is foolish.

And this has nothing to do with how he's using Rapp, Fuller, and D Will and the soft 10 yard constant cushions. Thats an entirely different conversation he's failing at too. Its just an all around dumpster fire IMO in our secondary right now. Our saving grace is the DL is playing excellent. If they weren't playing as well the defense would be far worse given how bad our coverage has been.

Perfectly said!!! We are not the Falcons defense they didn't have a Donald Ramsey or a Floyd for that matter. They were terrible so telling them to keep everything in front of them makes sense to minimize the burn but that ain't going to work here. He better watch tape or do something . If we lose an opportunity because of a finger or Morris's i would be distraught,

 

[bluecoconuts]

IMHO the Rams are "good enough" at ILB. Young, Reeder, and Jones are decent enough-- at least they don't seem like obvious liabilities.

And in my opinion Rochell will prove to be clearly superior to Long.

So IMHO the biggest liability now is Rapp. And I don't see signs that the coaches have a ton of confidence in his potential replacements (Scott, Burgess, Hughes). So if we could somehow swing for a starting caliber safety, that would be awesome. After that, I'd vote for CB3, because we're so thin there.

McVay was asked about Burgess, so hopefully with the extra time they look to get him more involved. If he doesn't work out then they should look elsewhere.

Technically Fuller is the "FS" (or at least listed as such) with Rapp and Burgess listed as a SS, but obviously with how they're used its different. I still think Rapp has a place, just more in the box, and Burgess has more range in coverage I believe, so we might have a replacement on our roster if he's able to. Staley played him, over Rapp IIRC, so I have to think he has the ability to play in the scheme.

Hughes I'm less sure about, just haven't seen much of him. same with Scott, but the pick was nice.

Rapp is probably one of our weaker safety's in terms of coverage and hands (I feel like he had a potential pick in late Thursdays game but dropped it, can't find the play again), he was good in the box though helping with stuffing the run (or used to be), so if we pick our spots for him I don't have an issue with him on the roster. If we keep playing him in positions where he doesn't excel (trying to keep up with fast receivers/backs in coverage) then he's going to struggle. I almost wonder if he can start to convert more to a LB type role honestly, he's usually not afraid to jump in and plug up the hole, and I like that quality.

 

[FarNorth]

As of now they have 10 picks in this upcoming draft. Granted 5 are in rds 6 & 7, but they still have 4 picks in the first four rds as well. So they have picks and any trade would be for a vet worth about a 5th or 6th.

I should learn to use blue font. But seriously imo we do need to make use of our 2nd-4th round picks. If we can get someone for a 5th or 6th, and have the bucks for his contract, then fine.

 

[So Ram]

Can I get some Blue Font?

Just trade the whole team.Start new.
Bring back Fisher as well.

I will say just at a glance though that I thought The Rams didn’t need to make a move.Saw how the process works with Mcvay in general of allowing his coaches & Snead to add to the roster.He real is about the player & scheme that is in front of him.Stays focused.

Jones the player from Pittsburgh made a nice play on a blocked punt.That play really put my mind at ease.

 

[Dodgersrf]

Ramsey's potential is not being maximized, as demonstrated by Th

Staley used Ramsey at the star position last year yes, but usually on early base-set downs, and moreso against teams without a #1 alpha WR. VS the teams with an elite WR, Ramsey played outside a lot and shadowed them 90% of the game.

I get the theory Morris has spoken of, thay Jalen is such a good tackler and physical player, he should be used more in the box or to combat the running game. But when his usage inside becomes a detriment to our coverage scheme its inexcusable. He's the best damn cover corner in the league. He should be used inside as a luxury when he doesn't need to cover an elite WR. Thats how Staley deployed him. When he needs to lock down a WR he should play outside the whole game and shut them down like last year. I just dont get why Morris is trying to overthink things. It's like he's trying to live up to Staley's genius instead of just playing sound, fundamental football. The shit is foolish.

And this has nothing to do with how he's using Rapp, Fuller, and D Will and the soft 10 yard constant cushions. Thats an entirely different conversation he's failing at too. Its just an all around dumpster fire IMO in our secondary right now. Our saving grace is the DL is playing excellent. If they weren't playing as well the defense would be far worse given how bad our coverage has been.

Hell yes to this^^^^^.

 

[Kupped]

Yea they actually did last year used in whatever way he basically shadowed Metcalf frustrating him to the point that he threw a tantrum on the side line. The geno smith touchdown Rochelle was the one on metcalf the 1st Metcalf td Ramsey was on him but safety was late etc.

On some Metcalf receptions I think one in particular for 22-27 yards when they replay it you just see Ramsey standing in open space like a safety or linebacker just roaming protecting space while Metcalf blows a smoke trail past his coverage.

As I stated he may be being used in a similar manner but somethings is not right. Also I mentioned last year Ramsey was happy about how he would be used but this year he blatantly said this role is going to be the same but different and he can't wait to be used in all these ways under morris. So something is a miss. Again we lost hill andJ JJ a favorite of mine but they weren't Lott and Darly Green. The personell is basically the same. Brockers Ebukam Morgan Fox missing but even with that we expect a drop top 10? top 15 defense? This is not it. Thus far I am not a fan of Morris unless he rights the ship.

DK Metcalf had 96 yards and two touchdowns...
OH, WAIT THAT WAS HIS LINE IN JANUARY

5

96

19.2

2

51

11

Anyway...
As I said.. It's some scheme.. but it's also just execution.
They lost 5 contributors who signed contracts worth about 86 million dollars this offseason.

So, minimize execution and roster changes all you want.

 

[Oregonram]

Snead needs to parlay our 235 6th round picks into 263 7th round picks…

 

[ReekofRams]

He looks really good...

Thank you, I try my best.

 

[payote75]

DK Metcalf had 96 yards and two touchdowns...
OH, WAIT THAT WAS HIS LINE IN JANUARY

5

96

19.2

2

51

11

Anyway...
As I said.. It's some scheme.. but it's also just execution.
They lost 5 contributors who signed contracts worth about 86 million dollars this offseason.

So, minimize execution and roster changes all you want.

Just because you say doesn't make it so.
Try looking deeper into the numbers like targets etc. Regardless something is a miss and try not to use the numbers that just suit your point include the full picture. Obviously something fans are voicing is somewhat true. We got to get better.
You can do the same for Hopkins basically he was a non factor.

Rk	Year	Date	G#	Week	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	TD	Pts	Num	Pct	Num	Pct	Num	Pct
Rk	Year	Date	G#	Week	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	TD	Pts	Num	Pct	Num	Pct	Num	Pct
3	2020	2020-11-15	9	10	22.337	SEA	@	LAR	L 16-23	*	4	2	28	14.00	0	50.0%	7.00	0	0	64	96%	0	0%	0	0%
4	2020	2020-12-27	15	16	23.013	SEA		LAR	W 20-9	*	8	6	59	9.83	0	75.0%	7.38	0	0	61	97%	0	0%	0	0%
5	2021	2021-10-07	5	5	23.297	SEA		LAR	L 17-26	*	5	5	98	19.60	2	100.0%	19.60	2	12	48	74%	0	0%

 

[Corbin]

What would you guys do if we trade for

Would we get our two firsts and their two first back plus a 3rd?

 

[Kupped]

Just because you say doesn't make it so.
Try looking deeper into the numbers like targets etc. Regardless something is a miss and try not to use the numbers that just suit your point include the full picture. Obviously something fans are voicing is somewhat true. We got to get better.
You can do the same for Hopkins basically he was a non factor.

Rk	Year	Date	G#	Week	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	TD	Pts	Num	Pct	Num	Pct	Num	Pct
Rk	Year	Date	G#	Week	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	TD	Pts	Num	Pct	Num	Pct	Num	Pct
3	2020	2020-11-15	9	10	22.337	SEA	@	LAR	L 16-23	*	4	2	28	14.00	0	50.0%	7.00	0	0	64	96%	0	0%	0	0%
4	2020	2020-12-27	15	16	23.013	SEA		LAR	W 20-9	*	8	6	59	9.83	0	75.0%	7.38	0	0	61	97%	0	0%	0	0%
5	2021	2021-10-07	5	5	23.297	SEA		LAR	L 17-26	*	5	5	98	19.60	2	100.0%	19.60	2	12	48	74%	0	0%

It makes it true that it actually happened.
I am looking at the full picture which includes regression, personnel changes, etc.. not just "but Morris."

 

[payote75]

It makes it true that it actually happened.
I am looking at the full picture which includes regression, personnel changes, etc.. not just "but Morris."

Right but you cherry picked your facts so what you say is not the sum of all parts. It's not a good way to hold a conversation/debate. Bottom line is these all world receivers were ineffective for the most part against ramsey and the rams in general. The problem may not be how Ramsey is being deployed (although I consider that as part of the issue) in this role but could be when. Hopkins Metcalf, Lockett were basically non factors the only dude that was a thorn in our side was bozo/Deebo.

 

[Kupped]

Right but you cherry picked your facts so what you say is not the sum of all parts. It's not a good way to hold a conversation/debate. Bottom line is these all world receivers were ineffective for the most part against ramsey and the rams in general. The problem may not be how Ramsey is being deployed (although I consider that as part of the issue) in this role but could be when. Hopkins Metcalf, Lockett were basically non factors the only dude that was a thorn in our side was bozo/Deebo.

Oh… I cherry picked one game from last year to compare to the only game against the opponent this year to show that “always” narratives are wrong?

SHOCKER.