Redskins Cheerleader-Gate

[Mackeyser]

Which explains them make up, hair spray, tanning booth tan etc.

All of which is done at every level of cheer.

What's your point?

 

[BadCompany]

And here's the thing. Not one of these dickheads actually think that saying something rude/demeaning/insulting/crude is actually going to get her to go out with them or sleep with them, they say these things to be rude because they think it's funny and they can get away with it.

As demonstrated by the "FHRITP" crowd. I mean seriously, what exactly are you trying to accomplish by coming up behind a female reporter, sometimes live, and screaming that? Clearly she's not going to bang you, clearly it's meant to disrupt her job, and clearly it only happens to women. It's meant to be rude, and these guys think its "funny". They're also not all that concerned about getting punched in the face, now are they? What happens to male reporters? You'll get the usual clowns mugging for the camera during a live broadcast, making stupid faces and such, but have you ever seen some guy run up to a male reporter and scream "bleep him right in the a**??"

 

[Angry Ram]

I'll use the Katie Couric example. When she told the guy doing the interview about Lauer grabbing her ass he laughed. Why didn't he say "what, seriously? We need to talk about that."

But, he just laughed.

Her comments on that whole situation start at 2:15. Sounds to me like she didn't care. The audience reaction was priceless towards her comments.

 

[LACHAMP46]

The implication here is terrible and sickening.

I was talking a few years ago with the college-aged females in my family. I don't remember how it came up, but all of them had been roofied at some point in their lives. One of my female family members came out during the #metoo movement last year and explained that she was raped in the past. She felt too ashamed and scared to report it. I cried reading her words. That should never happen to any woman

You said to tell immediately is terrible and sickening.....those are your words?

What if....a person that told, prevented a similar, future encounter of another victim? See....this is the basis for my statement....tell someone.

It can't be attire because they all basically wear the same thing.

Seems as if there is less clothing on college and pro cheerleaders to me.

 

[Mackeyser]

You said to tell immediately is terrible and sickening.....those are your words?

What if....a person that told, prevented a similar, future encounter of another victim? See....this is the basis for my statement....tell someone.
Seems as if there is less clothing on college and pro cheerleaders to me.

That's a weak parse.

I really don't want to have to search for more pics, but I know from being at a few events when my kids were in school that the outfits are meant to mirror what college/pro cheer teams wear.

So other than tops that specifically are meant to show cleavage, most of the outfits are very similar.

 

[fearsomefour]

All of which is done at every level of cheer.

What's your point?

My point is this is a conversation about nothing.

 

[Mackeyser]

My point is this is a conversation about nothing.

Well, from a Zen perspective, all is nothing.

That said, we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[fearsomefour]

Well, from a Zen perspective, all is nothing.

That said, we'll have to agree to disagree.

Well said.

 

[Farr Be It]

This just factually wrong.

Is it at this point?

Or maybe this point?

Or is it this?

Or does it not happen until this?

What's the basis for the parse? The $100/game? Age? It can't be attire because they all basically wear the same thing.

Lastly, as long as some men see women as sex objects and barely the sum of their parts, EVERY JOB and every moment a woman is in public becomes functioning as a "sex symbol"

The only thing I see here is the creepy makeup they put on the little girls. The other squads seem about normal.

I see a range of opinions on this thread I can respect. Yours, Angry, Blue, Jerry, Old School, Champ, Gnomie my homie. I think we all are closer to agreement than you acknowledge.

Guys need to respect gals. We all are responsible for our actions. Hopefully, this investigation will reveal all truth, and have a measured outcome.

 

[Selassie I]

Every once in awhile I get the chance to throw this nugget out there. It never gets old for me lol.

I dated a Redskin Cheerleader for a couple of years.

She now works for The Dept of Homeland Security.

 

[jrry32]

You said to tell immediately is terrible and sickening.....those are your words?

What if....a person that told, prevented a similar, future encounter of another victim? See....this is the basis for my statement....tell someone.

Do you know why women often don't report rape? There are many reasons why, but two of them are because they are actively discouraged and they fear they won't be believed. You are promoting both with your stance.

 

[LACHAMP46]

Do you know why women often don't report rape? There are many reasons why, but two of them are because they are actively discouraged and they fear they won't be believed. You are promoting both with your stance.

Sorry counselor....crime is crime....
The one stance many make....on the prosecution side...is behavior after an incident...and what a reasonable person would do....In most cases, when a crime has been committed, reasonable people tell the proper authorities....as soon as possible...in fact....I'd like to add, valuable evidence can and should be collected.

I'm not trying to discourage the reporting of said crime.....or saying who I believe.....I think for public safety....to possibly keep the offenders from other victims....it is WISE to immediately report a crime...it's like a civic duty.

 

[dieterbrock]

Every once in awhile I get the chance to throw this nugget out there. It never gets old for me lol.

I dated a Redskin Cheerleader for a couple of years.

She now works for The Dept of Homeland Security.

Wow, you have some kind of crazy affect on women

 

[Memento]

Sorry counselor....crime is crime....
The one stance many make....on the prosecution side...is behavior after an incident...and what a reasonable person would do....In most cases, when a crime has been committed, reasonable people tell the proper authorities....as soon as possible...in fact....I'd like to add, valuable evidence can and should be collected.

I'm not trying to discourage the reporting of said crime.....or saying who I believe.....I think for public safety....to possibly keep the offenders from other victims....it is WISE to immediately report a crime...it's like a civic duty.

What if the victim is threatened with further violence if they go to the police? What if they're ashamed that it happened to them?

Like jrry said, there's many, many reasons why people don't report crimes immediately, especially when it comes to rape and domestic violence.

 

[jrry32]

Sorry counselor....crime is crime....
The one stance many make....on the prosecution side...is behavior after an incident...and what a reasonable person would do....In most cases, when a crime has been committed, reasonable people tell the proper authorities....as soon as possible...in fact....I'd like to add, valuable evidence can and should be collected.

I'm not trying to discourage the reporting of said crime.....or saying who I believe.....I think for public safety....to possibly keep the offenders from other victims....it is WISE to immediately report a crime...it's like a civic duty.

Champ, actual prosecutors do not generally take your view on crimes of a sexual nature. They have experience dealing with those sort of crimes and understand why delayed reporting is common. Your view on this issue is regressive imo.

And you may not be directly saying whom you believe, but the implication is there. Your "reasonableness" inquiry is also off the mark.

 

[Ellard80]

Sorry counselor....crime is crime....
The one stance many make....on the prosecution side...is behavior after an incident...and what a reasonable person would do....In most cases, when a crime has been committed, reasonable people tell the proper authorities....as soon as possible...in fact....I'd like to add, valuable evidence can and should be collected..

.Often times people report crimes to various authorities... and nothing is done, or prosecuted.

Penn state and Jerry Sandusky is one that comes to mind..

 

[Karate61]

It's so easy to comment and judge someone's situation, when they're not the ones in the situation!

Yeah, why is she complaining about it now? Well, you're not her. You weren't there. It wasn't your ass grabbed by some perve smelly fat dude. It wasn't your job and livelihood threatened. I'll tell you what, if I was raped by a man, I'd sure be hesitant to go tell the world. It might take me 20 years to disclose that to anyone, and I would probably take it to the grave.

These women who overcome their fear to finally disclose what happened to them deserve respect. Conversely, women that lie about it should get the shaft as well!

 

[fearsomefour]

Champ, actual prosecutors do not generally take your view on crimes of a sexual nature. They have experience dealing with those sort of crimes and understand why delayed reporting is common. Your view on this issue is regressive imo.

And you may not be directly saying whom you believe, but the implication is there. Your "reasonableness" inquiry is also off the mark.

I assume this is with the working understanding that what cases get prosecuted has more to do with winability than justice?
Prosecution, defense.
Rats and leeches.

 

[Memento]

I assume this is with the working understanding that what cases get prosecuted has more to do with winability than justice?
Prosecution, defense.
Rats and leeches.

Hang on, one of my irl best friends just became a prosecutor. Let's go easy on them; they do play a role in society.