Rapeis Winston gets a 3 game suspension

[Soul Surfer]

you're welcome to be judge jury and executioner on a guy that was never convicted of a crime.

Anybody else would have been.
But when you are the superstar, national championship quarterback of a team that has half the state legislators having gone to that school when you bring the Heisman home?

You *might* get preferential treatment.
Maybe ....possibly.

Plus, how much did that girl get paid off?

 

[Merlin]

Okay. Just glad you weren’t on the Bill Cosby jury.

Speakin of Bill Cosby... I just can't get myself to dislike the dude. What can I say, one of my many personal failures.

 

[OldSchool]

How so?
I think it has everything to do with it.

This is a distinct pattern that needs to be stopped.

Are you even aware of what he’s being suspended for? So far none of your comments indicate that you do.

 

[OldSchool]

Fair enough. Glad to hear you hate him, frankly.

Lots of complicated stuff going on in the Jameis case. For me, I’m not as concerned with the Uber incident, or how it was reported, or why and how he got suspended by the NFL. To me, it’s just an awful reminder of how Jameis did something horrific back at FSU, then got away with it. That poor girl got raped, had the guts to report it, then got ignored by the police and shamed by the public.

So I’ll acknowledge that my reaction to Jameis is visceral and personal. I don’t care about how many games he misses, because if not for a few shady cops in Tallahassee, he wouldn’t be playing at all. He’d be where he belongs— in prison.

The point I’ve been trying to make From the very beginning was his abuses have absolutely nothing to do with this suspension. We all know what kind of a person he is we don’t need feelings and emotions about him in this discussion because they’re completely irrelevant to this potential suspension.

 

[LesBaker]

I think the dude is complete garbage and has proven again and again he IS that type of guy.

It's really now beyond a doubt that he is a POS.

By the way according to reports he was yelling homophobic slurs out of the car window at people on the street.

If the NFL can bungle something they will. This we know.

That's what I was inferring with this thread. A guy does this, has a track record like his and he gets only 3 games.

They never seem to get the PR shit or punishment right.

The optics are really bad. There is not a lot of space between punching a woman and grabbing her crotch then lying about it.

I followed the case from 2012 very closely.

I followed the case from 2012 very closely. The woman (Erica Kinsman) was drugged and raped, and the semen found inside her was a DNA match to Jameis Winston. Problem was, the “investigation” into the incident was a farce— Jameis was shielded from prosecution because he was a “ Star QB.”

And here’s a link to the (super-long but interesting) story from 2014 about how the Tallahassee police and the administration at FSU helped protect Jameis from prosecution.

I followed it too, and the Times article is outstanding. The coverup was disgusting and a few people including Winston should be in jail.

All joking aside, sexual harassment is an ongoing problem that is only getting worse in this country.

If this was harassment, you know maybe making a crude remark or something like that it would be one thing.

IMO there is a spectrum of "bad" here because not all sexual assault is the same of course.

Touching someone against their wishes is technically sexual battery, a misdemeanor. Different than rape obviously and on a different part of the spectrum but still this is a VERY big deal.

I wouldn't be surprised at all, if there are far more victims out there

One woman reported a "strange encounter" with him in college. She reported it to the school but didn't go to the police.

He used the date rape drug at least twice. And probably more than that. After the cover up any women that he did this too would never report it.........why go through the humiliation for nothing.

 

[KNUCKLEHEAD]

Now that we have ridded the world of sexual harassment, ROD can focus on world hunger or peace in the Middle-East!!

All joking aside, sexual harassment is an ongoing problem that is only getting worse in this country. No matter how we individually feel about this problem, or about Mr. Winston, I think we can all agree that we are happy we don't have ass-hats like him on our beloved Rams!!

I think it's just being reported more. It's all out in the open so it seems worse.

 

[Soul Surfer]

Are you even aware of what he’s being suspended for?

Of course I know!
I still remember how to read!

He's being suspended for putting itching powder in his teammates jockstraps.

 

[HitStick]

Did Winston think she was a crab?

Maybe she told him she has crabs?

 

[Mackeyser]

Men get harassed too. when I was a school aged boy, I was often touched inappropirately by a female teacher.

In high school, a female that I never met reached out and grabbed my crotch. It was countless times that females would rub their boobs on my arm, wear low cut blouses and purposely lean over.

.... just some cold hard facts ... but whaddaya gonna do?

Anyone remember Michael Douglas and Demi Moore in Disclosure?

Yes it happens and I’m truly sorry it happened to you.

And...it’s relatively rare compared to the constant barrage virtually every woman faces on a continual basis.

The rarity is part of the reason men aren’t believed when they report rapes and sexual assaults.

If an NFL player sexually assaulted or raped another man, I’m sure there would be men who were also in that situation that would make different choices if the punishment were lenient.

We haven’t seen that, but it’ll happen...someday. In the mean time, female fans are currently seeing these things from a few NFL players and they make decisions based on what happened.

It’d be great if none of this were an issue, but it is.

 

[Mackeyser]

Football player, or any pro athlete for that matter, should go through the legal system just like any other millionaire celebrity before the league takes any action. If convicted of a serious crime like rape, they should be kicked out of the league and their contract terminated. I'm sure there are several pages in the NFL labor contract about team discipline in situations like this pending an investigation.

Companies routinely make extrajudicial decisions regarding employee performance.

People have been fired for posts on social media and/or non-criminal behavior in public.

 

[XXXIVwin]

The point I’ve been trying to make From the very beginning was his abuses have absolutely nothing to do with this suspension.

Yes. You’ve made this point many times. We get it.

we don’t need feelings and emotions about him in this discussion because they’re completely irrelevant to this potential suspension.

Other people want to make a different point. We are disgusted by a celebrity who has gotten away with a crime, and shows a continuing pattern of predatory behavior.

It’s a discussion board. That’s how it works. Different views on different topics.

“WE don’t need feelings and emotions about him in this discussion?” Gimme a break.

 

[LesBaker]

In the mean time, female fans are currently seeing these things from a few NFL players and they make decisions based on what happened.

Using the Ray Rice situation as a sort of benchmark if you will.

Initially he got 2 games and then it was changed to an indefinite suspension after HUGE public outrage.

It was changed because the second video showed him violently punching her in the face made everyone sick.

Now we were all horrified by that video, but women were outraged at the NFL because word leaked out, true or not who knows, that the NFL had seen the video of the punch. When the Ravens cut Rice, female fans were very, very happy to hear that news.

I'm not saying that Winston should be cut, and clearly I think he is a piece of shit. But 3 games for what he did is like Rice getting just two games for punching his fiancee. It's just to light of a punishment.

Under the new domestic abuse policy the NFL put in place after the PR fiasco from the Ray Rice situation a first offense is 6 games, second offense is a lifetime ban. The NFL up until then had really only paid lip service to domestic violence, this forced them to change and be better.

6 games should have been the easy call on this. If a person gets six games for pushing a woman down onto a sofa or the floor, or grabbing her arm and yanking her out of a car then doesn't it make sense that doing what Winston did is worse than those things?

Goodell gets blamed for a lot of stuff that he doesn't deserve or isn't responsible for, and I've pointed that out. But he is also a complete knucklehead WAY to often..........and this is ABSOLUTELY one of those times.

 

[Prime Time]

What gets me is why would any man have to drug or force a woman to have sex with him, especially when he's rich and a sports star or a celebrity? Maybe it's not about sex but about a feeling of power and control over others. Sick bastards!

 

[LesBaker]

What gets me is why would any man have to drug or force a woman to have sex with him, especially when he's rich and a sports star or a celebrity? Maybe it's not about sex but about a feeling of power and control over others. Sick bastards!

It's that, yes.

A special kind of asshole for sure.

 

[Dxmissile]

I'm so glad that Goff is our quarterback. Could you imagine what would've happened if Fisher had traded up for Winston?

Well Fisher has a pretty good track record of keeping guys clean that had issues in college and the fact that Winston is more like Steve McNair he probably would still be our coach so let’s just be happy we don’t have to worry about that

 

[LesBaker]

Well Fisher has a pretty good track record of keeping guys clean that had issues in college and the fact that Winston is more like Steve McNair he probably would still be our coach so let’s just be happy we don’t have to worry about that

I don't think McNair and Winston are much alike. McNair was loved, respected and revered by team mates. One of the toughest QB's I have ever seen. And what happened with Winston in college wasn't an "issue", it was rape.

Also I think Fisher's rep of taking troublemakers and reforming them is mostly smoke and mirrors. When has he really done that? I doubt that he would be able to change the DNA of a guy who has proven to be an entitled predator. You can't fix a guy like that.

It matters that he did this after dodging prosecution for rape with help from a lot of people, acting like an ass with the "fuck her right in the pussy" thing and a report by a female student that she had a negative encounter with him.

At some point, maybe you stop and think "I shouldn't do this type of shit anymore"..........after avoiding a bullet like that it would be a good time to rethink your behaviors, but he has chosen not to. He's still the same evidently.

That is sociopathic and says that this is who he is.........and what he is.

And Goodell just reinforced/further enabled by giving him a really light penalty.

 

[kurtfaulk]

What gets me is why would any man have to drug or force a woman to have sex with him, especially when he's rich and a sports star or a celebrity? Maybe it's not about sex but about a feeling of power and control over others. Sick bastards!

maybe they have necrophilia tendencies.

.

 

[LesBaker]

maybe they have necrophilia tendencies.

.

The shit with Winslow is really disturbing.

And why give him life in prison if he is convicted on all counts.

It's way less expensive to fucking hang him. And provides way more closure.

I saw one article that said "Former NFL star Kellen Winslow........." first thing that I thought was disgusting crimes. Then........wait he was no star.

 

[Corbin]

C’mon. What it means is that whatever gains the NFL has made in acquiring male fans is offset by male NFL fans dying off. The net is basically a wash in the growth of the male demographic.

Also what are people defending?

That old rich white dudes are out of touch? Does anyone even KNOW any old rich white dudes? I mean NFL owner rich? I suppose someone might. Their track record, the owners I mean, isn’t good.

Is anyone defending Jameis Winston?

Okay I guess.

And if we can’t be conversational about anything anymore then fine, I’ll go find the damn stats that the NFL put out about their own demographics so that folks can get all upset that *gasp* things change!

My bad for saying facts and not presenting a dissertation which I know everyone is so fond of.... but you asked so I’ll get right in it...sheesh.

What about the huuuuuge demorgraphic by forgeign males? That does count? My point is its not only females that is the only reason why the increase of salary cap etc.

Also why does it have to be old white guys? Does the color matter? No it doesnt.

 

[Soul Surfer]

Maybe she told him she has crabs?

So he was really just trying to help her out by scratching her itch?

Sounds plausible.