Rapeis Winston gets a 3 game suspension

[Mackeyser]

Okay, some cold hard facts.

Since 2001, iirc, virtually ALL of the growth of the NFL has come from the increase in FEMALE fans.

As in, the male NFL fanbase has remained stagnant. So, all these increases in salary cap due to increased viewership, etc... is almost entirely due to more women watching.

Period.

Now, I realize it's gonna be a surprise to some folks, but women get harassed... a lot. Most attempts don't even register with a lot of women because, well, it happens so damned often.

However, when it comes to their avocation, in this case, watching some good ol' American football!, the last thing they want is to have a player on the field be a guy that did something to someone that was done to them or a family member or a friend or female coworker.

It's easy to see how males and females would see the Ray Rice video differently...or even what is a fan's reaction of the allegation, meaning...do they buy tickets, gear, Sunday Ticket or licensed stuff or watch after this stuff comes out?

Well...they don't. Viewership drops when the NFL bungles stuff like this. And most of that drop is from women who aren't interested in old, rich, white dudes trying to mansplain why stuff they know isn't okay is somehow okay because...well...the guy is a talented player or whatever.

So, things ARE going to be different going forward because the NFL courted the female audience and got it... and they don't think the same as guys do about a number of things and when they vote with their dollars, just like any other group, it's gonna get that corporation's attention.

It's gonna be okay. Thing is, we have to share the NFL and how women see things matters now.

And let's not kid ourselves, it really never mattered much before. But it does now. That's the new reality.

In this case, Winston has a bevy of lawyers so they'll figure it out. We're not talking about a single dad working as a picker at an Amazon Warehouse who's gonna have limited means to get to work let alone fight any allegation of any kind. He's gonna be fine.

He might even lose a sponsor or two. Hey, corporations, whaddaya gonna do?

 

[Corbin]

Okay, some cold hard facts.

Since 2001, iirc, virtually ALL of the growth of the NFL has come from the increase in FEMALE fans.

As in, the male NFL fanbase has remained stagnant. So, all these increases in salary cap due to increased viewership, etc... is almost entirely due to more women watching.

Period.

Interesting. No males were born since 2001? And I remember a big portion of revenue and viewership being from other countries beside the US.

Stop with the old white dude thing. It gets old.

 

[VegasRam]

Here’s another cold hard fact.
You failed to present any.


Nice try though....

 

[fearsomefour]

Okay, some cold hard facts.

Since 2001, iirc, virtually ALL of the growth of the NFL has come from the increase in FEMALE fans.

As in, the male NFL fanbase has remained stagnant. So, all these increases in salary cap due to increased viewership, etc... is almost entirely due to more women watching.

Period.

Now, I realize it's gonna be a surprise to some folks, but women get harassed... a lot. Most attempts don't even register with a lot of women because, well, it happens so damned often.

However, when it comes to their avocation, in this case, watching some good ol' American football!, the last thing they want is to have a player on the field be a guy that did something to someone that was done to them or a family member or a friend or female coworker.

It's easy to see how males and females would see the Ray Rice video differently...or even what is a fan's reaction of the allegation, meaning...do they buy tickets, gear, Sunday Ticket or licensed stuff or watch after this stuff comes out?

Well...they don't. Viewership drops when the NFL bungles stuff like this. And most of that drop is from women who aren't interested in old, rich, white dudes trying to mansplain why stuff they know isn't okay is somehow okay because...well...the guy is a talented player or whatever.

So, things ARE going to be different going forward because the NFL courted the female audience and got it... and they don't think the same as guys do about a number of things and when they vote with their dollars, just like any other group, it's gonna get that corporation's attention.

It's gonna be okay. Thing is, we have to share the NFL and how women see things matters now.

And let's not kid ourselves, it really never mattered much before. But it does now. That's the new reality.

In this case, Winston has a bevy of lawyers so they'll figure it out. We're not talking about a single dad working as a picker at an Amazon Warehouse who's gonna have limited means to get to work let alone fight any allegation of any kind. He's gonna be fine.

He might even lose a sponsor or two. Hey, corporations, whaddaya gonna do?

Here are some cold hard facts....

Followed by 80% opinion and a bunch in nonverifiable things.
If the NFL can bungle something they will. This we know.
Of the women I know who watch the NFL not one has stopped watching or considered not watching because of OJ, Ray Rice or any other abuser or alleged rapist.
You know why? Because they are fans and are mature enough to realize they are watching a big organization made up of individuals. Some good, some bad.
But mainly they are fans.

 

[fearsomefour]

Interesting. No males were born since 2001? And I remember a big portion of revenue and viewership being from other countries beside the US.

Stop with the old white dude thing. It gets old.

Oh, it never gets old when you can take some imaginary moral high ground.

 

[fearsomefour]

This has to be a standard.

 

[fearsomefour]

Question-
Does that include fictional Former presidents from South Carolina?
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Who would have though his character In House of Cards was a much nicer guy than he is in real life.

 

[fearsomefour]

Ryan Fitzpatrick signed!!
No better gig than an old C+ QB.
Work never stops calling.
It does end my hope of the Rams signing Fitz to back up Goff just to hear 503 lose his mind. Haha.

 

[bluecoconuts]

Christ guys, Google.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...of-nfl-audience-but-more-wanted-idUSKBN15J0UY


Women make up about 45% of the fans as of 2017.

 

[XXXIVwin]

Secondly it's really easy to report it without all the unnecessary color commentary.

Disagree. Jameis is a disgusting rapist pig, and he deserves to be described that way.

I followed the case from 2012 very closely. The woman (Erica Kinsman) was drugged and raped, and the semen found inside her was a DNA match to Jameis Winston. Problem was, the “investigation” into the incident was a farce— Jameis was shielded from prosecution because he was a “ Star QB.”

Later, Jameis got suspended (only half a game) for jumping on a table and screaming “Fuck her right in the pussy!” And now, he grabs an Uber driver’s crotch.

So yeah, Jameis is a filthy-rapist-misogynist-Bill Cosby-sack of shit.

The evidence against Jameis for rape was compelling. It’s a shame he got away with it.

 

[Merlin]

 

[OldSchool]

Disagree. Jameis is a disgusting rapist pig, and he deserves to be described that way.

I followed the case from 2012 very closely. The woman (Erica Kinsman) was drugged and raped, and the semen found inside her was a DNA match to Jameis Winston. Problem was, the “investigation” into the incident was a farce— Jameis was shielded from prosecution because he was a “ Star QB.”

Later, Jameis got suspended (only half a game) for jumping on a table and screaming “freak her right in the wuss!” And now, he grabs an Uber driver’s crotch.

So yeah, Jameis is a filthy-rapist-misogynist-Bill Cosby-sack of crap.

The evidence against Jameis for rape was compelling. It’s a shame he got away with it.

And everybody on here I'm sure knows all about that case and if he was guilty he 100% deserves your opinion of him. This incident however has nothing to do with that.

 

[XXXIVwin]

This incident however has nothing to do with that.

It does insofar as it shows Jameis is continuing a pattern of degrading and humiliating women.

Jameis case was upsetting also because two of his roommates saw him do it and knew he was guilty. But because the police were so slow (or completely negligent) in following up on the case, the roommates had plenty of time to compare notes and make up a false narrative.

Kinsman followed through and won a settlement against Jameis in her civil case, but it’s a shame the initial charge never even made it to trial. it’s a travesty it never got investigated properly. Jameis flat out raped her, even though she— AND one of his roommates watching— begged him to stop. (Jameis and his roommates initially had implausible and conflicting alibis, but later on they managed to line up their stories.)

Here’s a link about the civil case:
https://sports.vice.com/en_us/artic...ape-lawsuit-has-some-damaging-new-information

And here’s a link to the (super-long but interesting) story from 2014 about how the Tallahassee police and the administration at FSU helped protect Jameis from prosecution.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...e-allegations-against-fsu-jameis-winston.html

 

[Corbin]

Who would have though his character In House of Cards was a much nicer guy than he is in real life.

Yeah... I love him as a actor and literally don't know if it's right to separate him as a person or they are one in the same. Sigh. Why?

 

[Ramhusker]

Who would have though his character In House of Cards was a much nicer guy than he is in real life.

Yeah, they should have included the pedophile side of his being? The sick bastard!

 

[Ramhusker]

This is when you hope NFL DLs treat him like inmates treat rapists in prison. This might be fun to watch!

 

[OldSchool]

It does insofar as it shows Jameis is continuing a pattern of degrading and humiliating women.

Jameis case was upsetting also because two of his roommates saw him do it and knew he was guilty. But because the police were so slow (or completely negligent) in following up on the case, the roommates had plenty of time to compare notes and make up a false narrative.

Kinsman followed through and won a settlement against Jameis in her civil case, but it’s a shame the initial charge never even made it to trial. it’s a travesty it never got investigated properly. Jameis flat out raped her, even though she— AND one of his roommates watching— begged him to stop. (Jameis and his roommates initially had implausible and conflicting alibis, but later on they managed to line up their stories.)

Here’s a link about the civil case:
https://sports.vice.com/en_us/artic...ape-lawsuit-has-some-damaging-new-information

And here’s a link to the (super-long but interesting) story from 2014 about how the Tallahassee police and the administration at FSU helped protect Jameis from prosecution.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...e-allegations-against-fsu-jameis-winston.html

blah blah blah blah

I know all about that case and you're welcome to be judge jury and executioner on a guy that was never convicted of a crime. I don't like him any more than anybody else does. He was never convicted and that case has nothing to do with this suspension. I'm sorry that's hard for you to understand.

 

[Mackeyser]

Interesting. No males were born since 2001? And I remember a big portion of revenue and viewership being from other countries beside the US.

Stop with the old white dude thing. It gets old.

C’mon. What it means is that whatever gains the NFL has made in acquiring male fans is offset by male NFL fans dying off. The net is basically a wash in the growth of the male demographic.

Also what are people defending?

That old rich white dudes are out of touch? Does anyone even KNOW any old rich white dudes? I mean NFL owner rich? I suppose someone might. Their track record, the owners I mean, isn’t good.

Is anyone defending Jameis Winston?

Okay I guess.

And if we can’t be conversational about anything anymore then fine, I’ll go find the damn stats that the NFL put out about their own demographics so that folks can get all upset that *gasp* things change!

My bad for saying facts and not presenting a dissertation which I know everyone is so fond of.... but you asked so I’ll get right in it...sheesh.

 

[Mackeyser]

blah blah blah blah

I know all about that case and you're welcome to be judge jury and executioner on a guy that was never convicted of a crime. I don't like him any more than anybody else does. He was never convicted and that case has nothing to do with this suspension. I'm sorry that's hard for you to understand.

To quote Law and Order, “goes to a pattern of behavior, your Honor”

 

[XXXIVwin]

blah blah blah blah
He was never convicted and that case has nothing to do with this suspension. I'm sorry that's hard for you to understand.

Blah blah blah blah? Good job, that’s hard to argue against.

We’ll agree to disagree. I think the groping incident is further evidence of a pattern of conduct. You don’t.

Okay. Just glad you weren’t on the Bill Cosby jury.