Rapeis Winston gets a 3 game suspension

[Mackeyser]

Yeah, that "eat a W" thing was so cringey...

 

[Soul Surfer]

Every fan or casual observer can...... draw whatever conclusion they wish.

All of that means diddly squat to the Bucs and the NFL. For them, its a legal matter.

Anything that reflects badly on the NFL reflects badly on the NFL.

It certainly means more than "diddly-squat" to them.

They already have enough problems with CTE and the politicizing of the people who are standing or not standing.

This does not reflect good on the NFL therefore it matters quite a bit.

The thing that outweighs it is the NFL is trying to put the best most exciting players on the field and they think three games is a good compromise.

I don't think it's a good compromise.
I think they should set a much better example and give him half the season off.

In my humble opinion.

 

[Karate61]

The Bucs picked up Winston's fifth year option. In a way, is that not a quasi endorsement of Winston? Bucs must have known about the coming suspension, or threat of one, back then in April. I hope the Rams never have to deal with these player issues.

 

[kurtfaulk]

This should become his butt-fumble moment.

haha, players are staring at him like "what the fuck is this guy doing?"

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[Soul Surfer]

The Bucs picked up Winston's fifth year option. In a way, is that not a quasi endorsement of Winston?

Yeah, quasi.
It is also a sign of how few starting-caliber quarterbacks there are out there.

 

[AvengerRam]

Anything that reflects badly on the NFL reflects badly on the NFL.

It certainly means more than "diddly-squat" to them.

They already have enough problems with CTE and the politicizing of the people who are standing or not standing.

This does not reflect good on the NFL therefore it matters quite a bit.

The thing that outweighs it is the NFL is trying to put the best most exciting players on the field and they think three games is a good compromise.

I don't think it's a good compromise.
I think they should set a much better example and give him half the season off.

In my humble opinion.

I’m not sure you’re getting my point. Fans assume that the actions or inactions of a team or the league necessarily reflect their values. What I’m saying is that businesses, fearing litigation, have to consider hard evidence before they can act - even if they share the fans’ views.

So, without knowing the evidence, you can’t fully evaluate the decision making process.

 

[Soul Surfer]

without knowing the evidence, you can’t fully evaluate the decision making process.

I've seen more than enough evidence on Winston to know that he has a serious problem with the way he treats women.
Three games is a slap on the wrist and potentially will have no effect on Winston's future actions.

And a person can sue all they want.
That does not mean they will win.
Winston is in clear violation of his personal conduct code and will not win.
He could possibly even end up getting the Kaepernick treatment and be permanently shunned costing him multiple millions of dollars.

Contracts work both ways by design.

 

[AvengerRam]

I've seen more than enough evidence on Winston to know that he has a serious problem with the way he treats women.
Three games is a slap on the wrist and potentially will have no effect on Winston's future actions.

And a person can sue all they want.
That does not mean they will win.
Winston is in clear violation of his personal conduct code and will not win.
He could possibly even end up getting the Kaepernick treatment and be permanently shunned costing him multiple millions of dollars.

Contracts work both ways by design.

Spoken like a fan.

The Buc’s General Counsel has to look at it through a different lens.

 

[Soul Surfer]

Spoken like a fan.

The Buc’s General Counsel has to look at it through a different lens.

I'm not a really a fan of the NFL.

I'm just a Rams fan and they happen to play in the NFL.

 

[Angry Ram]

Sooo Sooo bad and embarrassing just to watch. Corny mofo.....

And they lost 30-10 that game to boot! ROFLMAO.

 

[Soul Surfer]

And they lost 30-10 that game to boot! ROFLMAO.

The rest of the team was probably so grossed out that they couldn't concentrate on the game.

 

[dieterbrock]

Anything that reflects badly on the NFL reflects badly on the NFL.

It certainly means more than "diddly-squat" to them.

They already have enough problems with CTE and the politicizing of the people who are standing or not standing.

This does not reflect good on the NFL therefore it matters quite a bit.

The thing that outweighs it is the NFL is trying to put the best most exciting players on the field and they think three games is a good compromise.

I don't think it's a good compromise.
I think they should set a much better example and give him half the season off.

In my humble opinion.

Great post.
In addition the "NFL" has to have buy in from the NFLPA on these suspensions too, because they already have egg on their face over their unilateral decision.

 

[LesBaker]

Great post.
In addition the "NFL" has to have buy in from the NFLPA on these suspensions too, because they already have egg on their face over their unilateral decision.

The players union doesn't need to give "buy in". In fact they have on occasion sued Goodell and the NFL to change suspensions, or provided support for players who are suing. The Players Association has agreed in the CBA to violations and what the penalties are for first offense second offense and so on, but the NFL has a broad range and does not have to get anything OK'd by the NFLPA.

The two sides have been at odds regarding drug testing, conduct policies, HGH testing, domestic violence and other stuff including length of suspensions. In fact the original 2 games for domestic violence was something the NFLPA wanted in the CBA rather than a higher number of games.

If you mean buy-in as in "agreement" with a suspension with a public statement they almost always look at issues on a case by case basis and unless it's really a crazy situation where they stay quiet they side with the player. DSmith even sued the NFL to have a court revisit and re-decide the Ray Rice suspension.

I'd be all for a different system, maybe a committee of people outside of NFL or NFLPA employment who review facts and decide on punishment within parameters set by the union and league. The league needs to sit down with the union and get the fucking priorities straight and define the rules more thoroughly.

According to the rule that went into place a couple of years ago Winston should be getting 6 games. This is an excerpt from a memo Goodell sent out after the PR nightmare he and the union went through. They have the "out" to suspend a player more than six games depending on circumstances and in this case they should have..........in my opinion anyway.

“Effective immediately, violations of the Personal Conduct Policy regarding assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual assault that involve physical force will be subject to a suspension without pay of six games for a first offense, with consideration given to mitigating factors, as well as a longer suspension when circumstances warrant.” (This will not affect Rice’s current suspension.) A second offense will result in a ban from the league, with the opportunity to apply for reinstatement after one year.

 

[LesBaker]

The Buc’s General Counsel has to look at it through a different lens.

You're right, an attorney (Bucs or any other) would look at it differently.

But the WORST thing Winston could possibly do right now is fight this. He can deny it and sit out the three games and let it blow over. But man if he fights this everything from the past is going to get dredged up and if all of the sports media starts talking about the shit that happened in college in detail like the Times did he will become a pariah.

This is the "slow season" for sports reporting and talk radio, they would have a field day if he decided to fight.

 

[Farr Be It]

Remember how we all felt when we drafted Lawrence Phillips and knew we were stuck with him for a couple years. He was too high of a pick to drop after a year. The team was invested in him and had to come back and double down on the mistake. Ugh.

Then, for different reasons, we did the same with Tony Banks. But I think the team knew early in the ‘98 season he wasn’t the answer. But we had to play out the string with him, then traded for Trent Green the next year.

Jameis (eat the w) Winston is like a nightmare melding of our Phillips/Banks mistakes of the nineties. He’s a brainless human like Phillips, and an athletic, but erratic quarterback like Banks.

Man, I am glad I am not a Bucs fan. I’d be so ready to move on from the nightmare.

 

[dieterbrock]

The players union doesn't need to give "buy in". In fact they have on occasion sued Goodell and the NFL to change suspensions, or provided support for players who are suing. The Players Association has agreed in the CBA to violations and what the penalties are for first offense second offense and so on, but the NFL has a broad range and does not have to get anything OK'd by the NFLPA.

The two sides have been at odds regarding drug testing, conduct policies, HGH testing, domestic violence and other stuff including length of suspensions. In fact the original 2 games for domestic violence was something the NFLPA wanted in the CBA rather than a higher number of games.

If you mean buy-in as in "agreement" with a suspension with a public statement they almost always look at issues on a case by case basis and unless it's really a crazy situation where they stay quiet they side with the player. DSmith even sued the NFL to have a court revisit and re-decide the Ray Rice suspension.

I'd be all for a different system, maybe a committee of people outside of NFL or NFLPA employment who review facts and decide on punishment within parameters set by the union and league. The league needs to sit down with the union and get the freaking priorities straight and define the rules more thoroughly.

According to the rule that went into place a couple of years ago Winston should be getting 6 games. This is an excerpt from a memo Goodell sent out after the PR nightmare he and the union went through. They have the "out" to suspend a player more than six games depending on circumstances and in this case they should have..........in my opinion anyway.

“Effective immediately, violations of the Personal Conduct Policy regarding assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual assault that involve physical force will be subject to a suspension without pay of six games for a first offense, with consideration given to mitigating factors, as well as a longer suspension when circumstances warrant.” (This will not affect Rice’s current suspension.) A second offense will result in a ban from the league, with the opportunity to apply for reinstatement after one year.

The NFLPA is wanting him suspended for more than 3 games?

 

[LesBaker]

The NFLPA is wanting him suspended for more than 3 games?

I haven't yet read anything from the NFLPA about this. I was just posting the rule that was put in place after the Ray Rice fiasco because sexual assault is 6 games minimum and it can be more. And what he did is legally considered to be sexual assault.

IMO Ronald Darby should be suspended for creating a fake alibi with Winston. He also did that in the college rape case involving Winston by the way. He lied in a statement that he was in the back seat of the Uber and that nothing happened.

 

[dieterbrock]

I haven't yet read anything from the NFLPA about this. I was just posting the rule that was put in place after the Ray Rice fiasco because sexual assault is 6 games minimum and it can be more. And what he did is legally considered to be sexual assault.

IMO Ronald Darby should be suspended for creating a fake alibi with Winston. He also did that in the college rape case involving Winston by the way. He lied in a statement that he was in the back seat of the Uber and that nothing happened.

Well the Ray Rice, Zeke, Greg Hardy and Winston cases all seem to have the same gray area. None of them are being convicted of any crimes. For various reasons the charges get dropped or not filed. So the NFL IMO wades thru the abyss of offering enough punishment to please the public while having to deal with the NFLPA if seemingly too strict.
And in the end I see "the NFL" draws the ire of the public for whatever fine/punishment they come up with or try to get away with when the NFLPA seemingly gets away without any bad publicity.
I have yet to see the NFLPA ever say, "that punishment isn't enough"
That's my .02 on it

 

[LesBaker]

Well the Ray Rice, Zeke, Greg Hardy and Winston cases all seem to have the same gray area. None of them are being convicted of any crimes. For various reasons the charges get dropped or not filed. So the NFL IMO wades thru the abyss of offering enough punishment to please the public while having to deal with the NFLPA if seemingly too strict.
And in the end I see "the NFL" draws the ire of the public for whatever fine/punishment they come up with or try to get away with when the NFLPA seemingly gets away without any bad publicity.
I have yet to see the NFLPA ever say, "that punishment isn't enough"
That's my .02 on it

The fans never point a finger at the union, it's always perplexed me. They come up with the parameters so the low # of games that used to be normal for domestic abuse had their fingerprints all over it too!

IMO Hardy and Rice had no gray areas, there was plenty of evidence on Hardy and of course the tape on Rice. There was a little evidence with EE with pulling the woman's top down, and police reports of him hitting his girlfriend even though she never filed charges. Though to be honest I think she over exaggerated the events.

Even though it's a he said/she said there must have been some evidence. But the fact that he lied to Goodell may have been all it took because one thing with Roger..........if you lie to him he will fuck you up, especially if it is bad optics for the NFL. Ask the Patriots (on two counts) who used to be his buddies, and MVick.

I can't recall the union ever saying punishment wasn't enough either. For fucks sake they tried to appeal Rice's suspension.

 

[Ellard80]

There is a patten of behavior for Winston here that makes him look guilty.

Not looking good for his future right now.