(Poll) Who would you start this weekend? The Wolford/Goff Collection Thread

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Which QB are you starting?

  • The Wolf

  • Perkins

  • Bortles

  • Hekker the Wrecker

  • Case Keenum

  • Cam Akers

  • Dieter Brock


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However, I don’t recall this level of enthusiasm for Goff, especially by the defense. I think it deflated the D a big when Goff went down before the first down marker late and didn’t fight fir the first down against the Seahawks.

People keep mentioning this play but it was the right call to not take the hit on that. There was 40 seconds left before halftime and the Rams had no timeouts and were on Seattle's 20. Not only would the clock not stop but the probability of even getting a field goal was extremely remote. All the risk for virtually no reward.
 

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The most recent Goff game happens to be this weeks opponent. We had every opportunity to win that game, but Goff/McVay couldn't get it done. Goff made some really bone headed mistakes too, ones you would expect from a young inexperienced guy like Wolf. With all things considered, which includes the status of Goff's thumb, his most recent performance against this same team, ect. , IMO, the better play this weekend is Wolf. With the threat of a running QB, the LB's have to play closer to the line which opens up passing lanes. They sure do not have to do that for Goff. I'm super excited to see what Wolf can do against the hags. I kind of know what Goff would do.
 

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There was a play earlier in the year where Goff tried to run for a first down, he fumbled and it was ugly. May have been the Miami game.

Wolford took 3 or 4 head shots yesterday, where the F are the refs??? Love the heart, this team needed the juice.

if Goff is healthy he has to play and I don’t see a situation like NOLA pulling Brees. We need him to be the guy who sliced and diced NE and TB.
 

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Wolf showed a ton of character coming back from that INT start. But we've seen Goff come back from terrible starts in games too.

Honestly I think people make too much of the QB. Basically if we were discussing any other position most fans can have a rational conversation because they don't have their feelings all tied up in one focus point like they do with the QB. It's a human nature thing IMO.

But the QB position is just some guy playing ball in real time. It's really the same thing as us discussing Akers vs Brown snaps early in the season, we know one is way more talented but we also know the other guy might deserve those snaps in the best for the team side of things.

I do think Goff's the guy. And I think if he's not the guy (disclaimer: assuming the medical side clears him) it means his coach has lost confidence in him this season because otherwise he would not be starting a UDFA talent over a first overall pick talent. So let's see what coach decides. I am confident he'll put the best guy on the field and I'm also confident that our chance of winning has way more to do with how well the OL plays and our run game balance too than it does who's running the offense.

I think if our OL plays well we will beat Seattle. Period IMO. Regardless of who is QB.
 

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Imo, all depends on how the oline holds up. If the Goff were behind the oline that showed up sunday, fumble city. Goff should start this saturday, but if the same oline shows up, put in Wolf.
 

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If this were in the first quarter, I’d agree.

But this was a play that could seal the game and a playoff berth.

Wolf lowered his shoulder, took the big hit, and won the game.
Got it! As long as he wins the game that season ending injury or career ending injury to his throwing shoulder is ok but only if he wins the game! Funny thing is he will say exactly what I said "It was a great play thank you but I got to be smarter about taking those kind of hits" and in meetings this week you know damned well his coaches are going to point out he needs to be smarter about it but hell of a play kid.
 

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Wolford played well enough to earn the confidence to start. He simply needs to manage the game. He's got weapons on both side of the ball. I think he starts and as long as he's playing well will play. I see Goff as guy they will play if they have too but would rather let him sit one more week.

Wolford is good enough to win this game as long as he simply doesn't turn the ball over. Convert the thirds, keep the chains moving that is his mission IMO. This last game was won simply because of that. Oline mistakes and dropped passes are the only reason the game was close.

I've been saying it since September. Play a clean game and the Rams can beat anyone.
 

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I think Goff’s advantage of reading defenses, controling the LOS with cadence, and overall experience make gim the obvious choice if all things are equal.

And you dont start a player of Wolfords experience in the playoffs against a defense of that calibre.

However- if Goffs thumb isnt at least 90% then things arent equal. At that point we can only shrug it off and hope the right decision is made.
 

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Wolford played well enough to earn the confidence to start. He simply needs to manage the game. He's got weapons on both side of the ball. I think he starts and as long as he's playing well will play. I see Goff as guy they will play if they have too but would rather let him sit one more week.

Wolford is good enough to win this game as long as he simply doesn't turn the ball over. Convert the thirds, keep the chains moving that is his mission IMO. This last game was won simply because of that. Oline mistakes and dropped passes are the only reason the game was close.

I've been saying it since September. Play a clean game and the Rams can beat anyone.
They just played a team without a QB. A team that could not sustain a drive as the Rams defense kept handing the ball back to our offense.

Despite that, our offense put up 9 points. NINE!

That won't work against Russell Wilson. We need to be able to pass the ball consistently and sustain drives to keep Wilson off the field.

Preferably get up on them and make them abandon their ground game because whoever runs it the best will likely win.

So how does Wolford do when he falls behind and must air it out on predictable passing downs?

That is the concern for such an inexperienced QB... Not his fault, just the facts.

If Goff is 85-90% and can take center snaps, you have to start him.
 

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Got it! As long as he wins the game that season ending injury or career ending injury to his throwing shoulder is ok but only if he wins the game! Funny thing is he will say exactly what I said "It was a great play thank you but I got to be smarter about taking those kind of hits" and in meetings this week you know damned well his coaches are going to point out he needs to be smarter about it but hell of a play kid.
Agree to disagree on this one. I personally think Wolford made the right decision to take the hit in a crucial situation.

As evidenced by the comment from Akers, Woldord’s teammates went absolutely nuts about that play.

I could be wrong, but I suspect that McVay and the coaches would agree with the players. I could imagine McVay saying, “Wolford showed a huge amount of courage by extending that play with the game on the line.”

Yeah, a running QB has to learn how to minimize unnecessary hits. But when the whole game (the whole season!) is on the line for one play, you freaking go for it.


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dAEpPePI0SQ
 
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They just played a team without a QB. A team that could not sustain a drive as the Rams defense kept handing the ball back to our offense.

Despite that, our offense put up 9 points. NINE!

That won't work against Russell Wilson. We need to be able to pass the ball consistently and sustain drives to keep Wilson off the field.

Preferably get up on them and make them abandon their ground game because whoever runs it the best will likely win.

So how does Wolford do when he falls behind and must air it out on predictable passing downs?

That is the concern for such an inexperienced QB... Not his fault, just the facts.

If Goff is 85-90% and can take center snaps, you have to start him.
You beat me to it. Exactly this
 

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Agree to disagree on this one. I personally think Wolford made the right decision to take the hit in a crucial situation.

As evidenced by the comment from Akers, Woldord’s teammates went absolutely nuts about that play.

I could be wrong, but I suspect that McVay and the coaches would agree with the players. I could imagine McVay saying, “Wolford showed a huge amount of courage by extending that play with the game on the line.”

Yeah, a running QB has to learn how to minimize unnecessary hits. But when the whole game is on the line for one play, you freaking go for it.

And as he separates that shoulder and is out for a while maybe never throwing the ball right again ending his career those same team mates will say it was a great play but he's gotta be smarter than that if he wants to get paid. Sorry this is something everybody around here and around all teams say about running QB's taking hits. I'm not critical of the guy it's something every QB needs to learn plain and simple if you want to keep playing in the league.

How many times in GDT and such did we talk about running midgets like Murray and Wilson? Want to go back and count or just say it gets aid a lot that QB's need to be smart with those situations.
 

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Remind me again how many points our offense scored against the hags two weeks ago?
So your counter is an apples to oranges comparison? How about how many points Goff put up against that same team on the road? Why are people so offended by honesty about Wolfords performance we can be honest with Goff but can't with Wolford it seems.
 

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There were a few things Wolford showed me and this was a huge one. He's a competitor. It wasn't just the decision to take on 2 defenders and lower his shoulder knowing the game was on the line, but it was how he got up and celebrated after the play. He's got some swag to him thats for sure. Funny how this type of play happed just a few weeks after Goff decided to slide short of a 1st down instead of lower his shoulder to try and win a game.

Wolford's accuracy wasn't great and who knows if that will improve, but what I really liked was how he attacked down the field. The dink and dunk offense disappeared all of a sudden. He completed 3 balls 20+ yards in the air and missed another 3-4 by less than a foot. This is with no running game at all, no Whit, and no Kupp. First player in NFL history to throw for 200+ and run for 50+ in his first start. In weeks 11-16 Goff only completed one pass of 20+ yards in the air.

But above all else, what really stood out to me was Wolford in his post game interview when you listen to him. He was asked a question regarding a decision he made, and he talked about getting a 2-man look on one play, cover 4 on another, and how he was trying to manipulate defenders with his eyes. Telling the reporter what his thought process was on those plays, and what he saw in the defense. This is after the kids first start ever as a pro. I've listened to every single Goff interview for the past 5 years and I can't remember hearing him talk about things like that...How he was trying to manipulate coverage with his eyes, why he made a certain decision or throw based on the look he got. I'm not saying Goff doesn't do these things, but for Wolford it was an instant answer to the reporters question. To me it showed his mind and ability to process what the defense was doing. And watching the game it was easy to notice how often he went through 3-4 progressions and came across the field with his eyes. I didn't see locking onto a first read very often. To me it showed a great mental capacity for quarterbacking. Something I think a lot of us have questioned with Goff over the years.

Goff has clearly better arm talent and the experience advantage, but Wolford has the athleticism and might have a better mind for the NFL. People want to highlight the 9 points, but if Akers doesn't fumble on the 2, we don't get 2 consecutive false starts inside the 5, and if Everett catches the perfectly thrown fade we score another 14-21 easy.
 

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However- if Goffs thumb isnt at least 90% then things arent equal. At that point we can only shrug it off and hope the right decision is made.
I would not let Goff on the field if he's not 100%. That was his throwing thumb I'd better see him putting some balls deep in practice with authority before I'd even consider him playing.

And speaking of that I keep hearing Nate's question the most recent GMFB where he asks how he could be 100% if he just had surgery. So idk hope we'll hear something this week that tips us off to what is coming.
 

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And so it begins......


Column: Rams need to stick with John Wolford and start him in playoffs
Rams quarterback John Wolford runs for a first down against the Arizona Cardinals.

Quarterback John Wolford runs for a first down against the Arizona Cardinals in the Rams’ 18-7 win Sunday at SoFi Stadium that clinched a playoff berth.
(Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times)

By BILL PLASCHKECOLUMNIST
JAN. 3, 2021
8:28 PM
His first pass was completed to a guy from the other team.
His third pass was overthrown. His fourth pass was underthrown. His fifth pass was wide.
John Wolford’s first NFL game looked as if it could be his last NFL game. Yet, despite the early madness on the field, the most compelling scene was from the sideline, where the newbie sat casually after his interception, arms draped over the back of the bench, message clear.
“We’re good,” he said to a consoling teammate.

He was. They were. They are.
The Rams eventually rode the smart arm, sturdy legs and resilient composure of their backup quarterback Sunday into the playoffs with an 18-7 win over the Arizona Cardinals at SoFi Stadium, and you know what has to happen now, right?
INGLEWOOD, CALIFORNIA JANUARY 3, 2021-Rams quarterback John Wolford throws a pass.
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John Wolford gets it done for Rams in playoff-clinching win over Cardinals
Jan. 3, 2021
They need to keep riding with him. They need to keep huddling around him. They need to continue to be inspired by him.

John Wolford needs to remain the starter for the NFC wild-card playoff game Saturday in Seattle against the Seahawks.
Even if Jared Goff’s broken right thumb is healed, start Wolford. Even if Goff throws well in practice, start Wolford.
His athleticism lets the offense breathe. His field vision allows the passing game to expand. His game management makes the drives flow.
With Wolford, the Rams play with more freedom, more versatility, more joy. With Wolford, the Rams’ NFL-best defense plays with more rest, less angst and better field position.
With Wolford, especially against a Seattle defense that flustered Goff just last week, the Rams will play with more hope.
Granted, against the Cardinals, Wolford didn’t throw a touchdown pass. But after that quick pick, he also didn’t make any big mistakes. He worked the clock. He worked the field. He knew when to hold it. He knew when to throw it away. After those shaky first five passes, he was 21 for 33, throwing for a total of 231 yards to seven Rams, none of whom was the sidelined Cooper Kupp.
Injured Rams quarterback Jared Goff stands next to quarterback John Wolford.

Injured Rams quarterback Jared Goff, left, stands next to quarterback John Wolford before Sunday’s game against the Arizona Cardinals.
(Jae C. Hong / Associated Press)

And he knew when to run. Goodness, did he know when to run, rushing for 56 yards on nearly 10 yards per carry, on his first day surpassing Goff’s best rushing day. He also kept the Rams’ offense on the field 15 minutes more than the Cardinals’ while setting the stage for their defense to win it with a safety and a pick six.
Smart, versatile, composed execution. That’s all the Rams need from their quarterback. That’s what they haven’t been getting from Goff.
That’s why coach Sean McVay needs to dispense with formalities and shrug off traditions and start Wolford against the Seahawks.
Here’s guessing McVay knows it too.
How about it, coach?
“You know what, we’ll talk about that,” McVay said afterward in response to my question about whether Wolford will be the starter Saturday. “But I thought he did a great job today. … I thought he really gave us a chance offensively with the amount of plays that he made in the pass game, with his legs, athleticism, being able to extend things. … I was really pleased with John.”
When I asked about Wolford’s running, McVay nearly zoomed through the Zoom.

“I thought it really got us going,’’ he said. “John’s ability to … convert with his legs, that’s a big winning edge for us. That was a factor all day. You can just see some of the different things you’re able to do with him really showed up.”
The thing about Wolford is, he doesn’t rattle. Imagine throwing an interception that leads to a touchdown on your first NFL attempt. Imagine then telling your teammates everything is good. Imagine being so composed because the same thing happened to you before … while playing preps?
“It almost settled me in,” Wolford said of the pass thrown directly into the arms of Arizona linebacker Jordan Hicks. “I remember I was in high school, we were playing a good team, I threw a pick the first play of the game and came back and played great. I was kind of thinking about that.”
After that lousy fifth pass, he ran for 13 yards on third and 10, and his game was on. He found Van Jefferson for 15 yards. He ran for 11 more yards. He ran for nine more yards. The Rams eventually kicked a field goal. It was on one of their three drives that chewed up at least 6:57.
“This guy’s resilience came up in a big way,” McVay said.

INGLEWOOD, CALIFORNIA JANUARY 3, 2021-Rams quarterback John Wolford talks with head coach Sean McVay.
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Rams’ 18-7 victory over the Arizona Cardinals by the numbers
Jan. 3, 2021

After the Rams led 12-7 at halftime, Wolford really shined.
On their first drive of the second half, a soul-sucking, field-goal march of 13 plays, he found Tyler Higbee down the right sideline for 26 yards. On their second drive, a crushing 71-yard crunch for another field goal, he found Cam Akers down the left sideline for 38 yards.
Talk about seeing the whole field.
”I felt good out there. I felt comfortable. I didn’t feel overwhelmed,” Wolford said.
He kept that first drive moving by fighting off a potential third-down sack to find Jefferson across the middle for 13 yards. He kept that second drive alive with a fourth-down toss to Higbee against a blitz, followed by a scrambling 19-yard completion to Jefferson.

Talk about toughness under pressure.

“I had a lot of fun. … I was a little anxious going in. … Once I got rolling, I was just playing football again,” Wolford said.
Fittingly, on third and eight on the Rams’ final drive, Wolford clinched the game by simply tucking the ball under his arm and running for nine yards, his final steps completed while carrying two Cardinals tacklers.
Does he think he is running right back into the huddle Saturday? Don’t ask. Moments after his first victory, there’s no way anybody was dragging him into his first quarterback controversy.
“I’m here to do a job,” he said. “I have no idea where [Goff is] at. I’m just trying to enjoy this win.”
In the final moments Sunday, as he strolled the sideline patting his teammates’ helmets, eye black smeared across his beard-stubbled face, his smile confident, his swagger strong, Wolford looked like a Rams starting quarterback.
For at least another week, he needs to be one.
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There were a few things Wolford showed me and this was a huge one. He's a competitor. It wasn't just the decision to take on 2 defenders and lower his shoulder knowing the game was on the line, but it was how he got up and celebrated after the play. He's got some swag to him thats for sure. Funny how this type of play happed just a few weeks after Goff decided to slide short of a 1st down instead of lower his shoulder to try and win a game.

Wolford's accuracy wasn't great and who knows if that will improve, but what I really liked was how he attacked down the field. The dink and dunk offense disappeared all of a sudden. He completed 3 balls 20+ yards in the air and missed another 3-4 by less than a foot. This is with no running game at all, no Whit, and no Kupp. First player in NFL history to throw for 200+ and run for 50+ in his first start. In weeks 11-16 Goff only completed one pass of 20+ yards in the air.

But above all else, what really stood out to me was Wolford in his post game interview when you listen to him. He was asked a question regarding a decision he made, and he talked about getting a 2-man look on one play, cover 4 on another, and how he was trying to manipulate defenders with his eyes. Telling the reporter what his thought process was on those plays, and what he saw in the defense. This is after the kids first start ever as a pro. I've listened to every single Goff interview for the past 5 years and I can't remember hearing him talk about things like that...How he was trying to manipulate coverage with his eyes, why he made a certain decision or throw based on the look he got. I'm not saying Goff doesn't do these things, but for Wolford it was an instant answer to the reporters question. To me it showed his mind and ability to process what the defense was doing. And watching the game it was easy to notice how often he went through 3-4 progressions and came across the field with his eyes. I didn't see locking onto a first read very often. To me it showed a great mental capacity for quarterbacking. Something I think a lot of us have questioned with Goff over the years.

Goff has clearly better arm talent and the experience advantage, but Wolford has the athleticism and might have a better mind for the NFL. People want to highlight the 9 points, but if Akers doesn't fumble on the 2, we don't get 2 consecutive false starts inside the 5, and if Everett catches the perfectly thrown fade we score another 14-21 easy.
This is one thing I loved about Wolford. I even mentioned it to my friend (a fellow rams fan) who I was watching the game with. Too many times Goff stares down his receivers. Wolf did a great job of scanning the field so the defense could not read his eyes.