(Poll) Who would you start this weekend? The Wolford/Goff Collection Thread

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Which QB are you starting?

  • The Wolf

  • Perkins

  • Bortles

  • Hekker the Wrecker

  • Case Keenum

  • Cam Akers

  • Dieter Brock


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FrantikRam

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Glad I'm not the one making this call because if it goes poorly, we'll always wonder what would have happened if the other guy started.

Serious upside with Wolford's legs. Had a fantastic game after the shaky start which is pretty easily understood.

Was also missing our best WR - I have no idea what the right call here is. Even assuming Goff is healthy, I think each guy has a case. Whichever way McVay goes, if we lose and the QB play is poor, we'll always wonder.

It'd be odd in a playoff game - or an NFL game, period - but I'd almost like to play both...
 

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And so it begins......


Column: Rams need to stick with John Wolford and start him in playoffs
Rams quarterback John Wolford runs for a first down against the Arizona Cardinals.

Quarterback John Wolford runs for a first down against the Arizona Cardinals in the Rams’ 18-7 win Sunday at SoFi Stadium that clinched a playoff berth.
(Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times)

By BILL PLASCHKECOLUMNIST
JAN. 3, 2021
8:28 PM
His first pass was completed to a guy from the other team.
His third pass was overthrown. His fourth pass was underthrown. His fifth pass was wide.
John Wolford’s first NFL game looked as if it could be his last NFL game. Yet, despite the early madness on the field, the most compelling scene was from the sideline, where the newbie sat casually after his interception, arms draped over the back of the bench, message clear.
“We’re good,” he said to a consoling teammate.

He was. They were. They are.
The Rams eventually rode the smart arm, sturdy legs and resilient composure of their backup quarterback Sunday into the playoffs with an 18-7 win over the Arizona Cardinals at SoFi Stadium, and you know what has to happen now, right?
INGLEWOOD, CALIFORNIA JANUARY 3, 2021-Rams quarterback John Wolford throws a pass.
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John Wolford gets it done for Rams in playoff-clinching win over Cardinals
Jan. 3, 2021
They need to keep riding with him. They need to keep huddling around him. They need to continue to be inspired by him.

John Wolford needs to remain the starter for the NFC wild-card playoff game Saturday in Seattle against the Seahawks.
Even if Jared Goff’s broken right thumb is healed, start Wolford. Even if Goff throws well in practice, start Wolford.
His athleticism lets the offense breathe. His field vision allows the passing game to expand. His game management makes the drives flow.
With Wolford, the Rams play with more freedom, more versatility, more joy. With Wolford, the Rams’ NFL-best defense plays with more rest, less angst and better field position.
With Wolford, especially against a Seattle defense that flustered Goff just last week, the Rams will play with more hope.
Granted, against the Cardinals, Wolford didn’t throw a touchdown pass. But after that quick pick, he also didn’t make any big mistakes. He worked the clock. He worked the field. He knew when to hold it. He knew when to throw it away. After those shaky first five passes, he was 21 for 33, throwing for a total of 231 yards to seven Rams, none of whom was the sidelined Cooper Kupp.
Injured Rams quarterback Jared Goff stands next to quarterback John Wolford.

Injured Rams quarterback Jared Goff, left, stands next to quarterback John Wolford before Sunday’s game against the Arizona Cardinals.
(Jae C. Hong / Associated Press)

And he knew when to run. Goodness, did he know when to run, rushing for 56 yards on nearly 10 yards per carry, on his first day surpassing Goff’s best rushing day. He also kept the Rams’ offense on the field 15 minutes more than the Cardinals’ while setting the stage for their defense to win it with a safety and a pick six.
Smart, versatile, composed execution. That’s all the Rams need from their quarterback. That’s what they haven’t been getting from Goff.
That’s why coach Sean McVay needs to dispense with formalities and shrug off traditions and start Wolford against the Seahawks.
Here’s guessing McVay knows it too.
How about it, coach?
“You know what, we’ll talk about that,” McVay said afterward in response to my question about whether Wolford will be the starter Saturday. “But I thought he did a great job today. … I thought he really gave us a chance offensively with the amount of plays that he made in the pass game, with his legs, athleticism, being able to extend things. … I was really pleased with John.”
When I asked about Wolford’s running, McVay nearly zoomed through the Zoom.

“I thought it really got us going,’’ he said. “John’s ability to … convert with his legs, that’s a big winning edge for us. That was a factor all day. You can just see some of the different things you’re able to do with him really showed up.”
The thing about Wolford is, he doesn’t rattle. Imagine throwing an interception that leads to a touchdown on your first NFL attempt. Imagine then telling your teammates everything is good. Imagine being so composed because the same thing happened to you before … while playing preps?
“It almost settled me in,” Wolford said of the pass thrown directly into the arms of Arizona linebacker Jordan Hicks. “I remember I was in high school, we were playing a good team, I threw a pick the first play of the game and came back and played great. I was kind of thinking about that.”
After that lousy fifth pass, he ran for 13 yards on third and 10, and his game was on. He found Van Jefferson for 15 yards. He ran for 11 more yards. He ran for nine more yards. The Rams eventually kicked a field goal. It was on one of their three drives that chewed up at least 6:57.
“This guy’s resilience came up in a big way,” McVay said.

INGLEWOOD, CALIFORNIA JANUARY 3, 2021-Rams quarterback John Wolford talks with head coach Sean McVay.
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Rams’ 18-7 victory over the Arizona Cardinals by the numbers
Jan. 3, 2021

After the Rams led 12-7 at halftime, Wolford really shined.
On their first drive of the second half, a soul-sucking, field-goal march of 13 plays, he found Tyler Higbee down the right sideline for 26 yards. On their second drive, a crushing 71-yard crunch for another field goal, he found Cam Akers down the left sideline for 38 yards.
Talk about seeing the whole field.
”I felt good out there. I felt comfortable. I didn’t feel overwhelmed,” Wolford said.
He kept that first drive moving by fighting off a potential third-down sack to find Jefferson across the middle for 13 yards. He kept that second drive alive with a fourth-down toss to Higbee against a blitz, followed by a scrambling 19-yard completion to Jefferson.

Talk about toughness under pressure.

“I had a lot of fun. … I was a little anxious going in. … Once I got rolling, I was just playing football again,” Wolford said.
Fittingly, on third and eight on the Rams’ final drive, Wolford clinched the game by simply tucking the ball under his arm and running for nine yards, his final steps completed while carrying two Cardinals tacklers.
Does he think he is running right back into the huddle Saturday? Don’t ask. Moments after his first victory, there’s no way anybody was dragging him into his first quarterback controversy.
“I’m here to do a job,” he said. “I have no idea where [Goff is] at. I’m just trying to enjoy this win.”
In the final moments Sunday, as he strolled the sideline patting his teammates’ helmets, eye black smeared across his beard-stubbled face, his smile confident, his swagger strong, Wolford looked like a Rams starting quarterback.
For at least another week, he needs to be one.
I stopped reading when he said the rams rode Wolford to a victory and should continue to ride through the playoffs. Rams rode our defense to a victory and unfortunately they can’t start at qb for us ....unless there’s something I don’t know about Aaron Donald. It’s clearly clickbait though as John Wolford certainly did not carry us to victory 99 and 20 did.
 

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It was an impressive effort, not very smart of him but very gutsy. What's the biggest thing said about mobile QBs? Know how to avoid taking hits if you want to stay in the league. Would rather we found another way to get first downs but absolutely applaud the effort.
 

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Glad I'm not the one making this call because if it goes poorly, we'll always wonder what would have happened if the other guy started.
There's no call to be made. If Goff can play, he plays. The Rams are a Kupp dropped pass and a Z missed FG away from being 7-1 against the Seahawks with Goff under center.
They can surely start Goff and get Wolford some plays. Even if Goff were to start slow they could bring in Wolford for a spark.
 

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There's no call to be made. If Goff can play, he plays. The Rams are a Kupp dropped pass and a Z missed FG away from being 7-1 against the Seahawks with Goff under center.
They can surely start Goff and get Wolford some plays. Even if Goff were to start slow they could bring in Wolford for a spark.

This ^

Goff is a team player. If he goes out there and is struggling, chances are it will be because our line isn't holding up. With a broken thumb, he can be replaced by the more mobile Wolford for the very real reason of not letting Goff risk doing more damage to his thumb. If he isn't throwing the ball well or able to protect it well, we will go with Wolford.
If Goff can throw it and hold onto it, he will start.
 

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It was an impressive effort, not very smart of him but very gutsy. What's the biggest thing said about mobile QBs? Know how to avoid taking hits if you want to stay in the league. Would rather we found another way to get first downs but absolutely applaud the effort.
If this were in the first quarter, I’d agree.

But this was a play that could seal the game and a playoff berth.

Wolf lowered his shoulder, took the big hit, and won the game.
 

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You could see the excitement in the team. Was a big play and ballsy. Seems like his teammates are all loving it.
Reminded me of the response to CJ Anderson in the Cardinal game in 2018 when the Rams rested Gurley.
 

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Im guessing goff starts if he can - but mcvay certainly didn't make that clear. Do i think wolf should start over goff?
I lean towards no... but I'm not 100% sure if I'm going to be honest. Wolf is still really unknown - he could play better or he could play worse, there is no body of evidence for his play.

Mcvay could just playing possum with seattle also and make them prepare for both.
 

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let me put it this way.. regardless of who is going to start, I have a feeling mcvay will keep that up in the air until the game.
 

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let me put it this way.. regardless of who is going to start, I have a feeling mcvay will keep that up in the air until the game.
As well he should. Make those sphincter lickers prep for both QB's. They are completely different riddles to solve. Love it.
 

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Goff’s the better QB.

However, I don’t recall this level of enthusiasm for Goff, especially by the defense. I think it deflated the D a big when Goff went down before the first down marker late and didn’t fight fir the first down against the Seahawks.

So, it’s not a question of talent as if we’re going by Madden ratings, but rather is McVay going to try and ride the bump that the enthusiasm for Wolford from his teammates brings?

I dunno, but I think the decision will factor in that energy, especially against Seattle.
 

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Goff’s the better QB.

However, I don’t recall this level of enthusiasm for Goff, especially by the defense. I think it deflated the D a big when Goff went down before the first down marker late and didn’t fight fir the first down against the Seahawks.

So, it’s not a question of talent as if we’re going by Madden ratings, but rather is McVay going to try and ride the bump that the enthusiasm for Wolford from his teammates brings?

I dunno, but I think the decision will factor in that energy, especially against Seattle.
Agreed that Goff has more natural talent than Wolford.

But who is the better QB for the Rams RIGHT NOW?

The "vibe" surrounding these two QB's feels completely different. If you did a private interview in the Rams locker room right now about whom to start, I really wonder what the responses would be. All the shots of Goff I saw on the sidelines showed him alone and looking despondent. Meanwhile, Wolford gets the hero's welcome in the victory party.

And yes, I think Goff's recent miscues have gotten into his head. He may say he doesn't feel it, but I guarantee he does. One big mistake by Goff and.... tension city.

It's hard for me not to notice how giddy McVay was about Wolford in the postgame. Felt like McVay had discovered a shiny new toy, and he was absolutely loving the idea of creating new play designs to suit Wolford's strengths. I really think McVay was affected by Belichik's move in the last SB... Belichik installed a last-minute, completely new defensive gameplan that they hadn't shown before in the entire season. By the same token, I could totally see McVay loving the idea of completely re-tooling his offense just in time for the Tournament. All new looks, all new plays, all new strategy. Designing an O around Wolford could give the Rams a strategic advantage IMHO. On the other hand, the Rams O with Goff seems to get more and more stale, with McVay seemingly having to "protect" Goff because opposing defenses have found strategies to exploit Goff's weaknesses.

"An elite D and a solid run game wins Championships." How many times have we heard this before? IMHO Wolford could represent a HUGE upgrade to the Rams overall running game. The Rams absolutely destroyed the Cards in time of possession, by 38 minutes to 22. With an elite D and the Rams O churning out long, mistake-free, time-killing drives, this is an established recipe for playoff success.

I acknowledge I might be overstating things a bit here... I've been a big Goff supporter for several years, and I'm still aware of his elite talent.

But for the Rams to win it all this year, they're gonna need a fairy tale. And I think the "magic of the unexpected" is more likely to happen with Wolford than Goff.
 
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Agreed that Goff has more natural talent than Wolford.

But who is the better QB for the Rams RIGHT NOW?

The "vibe" surrounding these two QB's feels completely different. If you did a private interview in the Rams locker room right now about whom to start, I really wonder what the responses would be. All the shots of Goff I saw on the sidelines showed him alone and looking despondent. Meanwhile, Wolford gets the hero's welcome in the victory party.

And yes, I think Goff's recent miscues have gotten into his head. He may say he doesn't feel it, but I guarantee he does. One big mistake by Goff and.... tension city.

It's hard for me not to notice how giddy McVay was about Wolford in the postgame. Felt like McVay had discovered a shiny new toy, and he was absolutely loving the idea of creating new play designs to suit Wolford's strengths. I really think McVay was affected by Belichik's move in the last SB... Belichik installed a last-minute, completely new defensive gameplan that they hadn't shown before in the entire season. By the same token, I could totally see McVay loving the idea of completely re-tooling his offense just in time for the Tournament. All new looks, all new plays, all new strategy. Designing an O around Wolford could give the Rams a strategic advantage IMHO. On the other hand, the Rams O with Goff seems to get more and more stale, with McVay seemingly having to "protect" Goff because opposing defenses have found strategies to exploit Goff's weaknesses.

"An elite D and a solid run game wins Championships." How many times have we heard this before? IMHO Wolford could represent a HUGE upgrade to the Rams overall running game. The Rams absolutely destroyed the Cards in time of possession, by 38 minutes to 22. With an elite D and the Rams O churning out long, mistake-free, time-killing drives, this is an established recipe for playoff success.

I acknowledge I might be overstating things a bit here... I've been a big Goff supporter for several years, and I'm still aware of his elite talent.

But for the Rams to win it all this year, they're gonna need a fairy tale. And I think the "magic of the unexpected" is more likely to happen with Wolford than Goff.

I'm kinda with you on the "who has the hot hand" question. No doubt Goff is the better QB in the long run, but right now I'm really not sure.
However, my big worry is that I feel we regularly see guys like Wolford, mobile, young, lots of guts. They do a lot of damage in their first few games but they are very quickly figured out and once they are the quickly burn down.
It's a tough pick. I think if Goff is healthy he plays.
 

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I'm kinda with you on the "who has the hot hand" question. No doubt Goff is the better QB in the long run, but right now I'm really not sure.
However, my big worry is that I feel we regularly see guys like Wolford, mobile, young, lots of guts. They do a lot of damage in their first few games but they are very quickly figured out and once they are the quickly burn down.
It's a tough pick. I think if Goff is healthy he plays.

Wouldn't be good if he could do Nick Foles type damage. Win a Superbowl and then we will worry about it next year! :biggrin: