Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

[jrry32]

Sure about that?

If the Rams had 11 wins (same as Tampa), wouldn’t the Rams have been the fifth seed by virtue of defeating the Bucs?

That would have had the Rams in Washington in the first round.

I'd have to look back at the tiebreakers. It would depend on what games we won. If we were 11-5 and beat Seattle in the second game, we win the division. If we were 11-5 with both wins over the 49ers, I think we win the division. If the two wins that flip are against the Jets and Dolphins, I think Seattle wins it on the divisional record tiebreaker, but I'd have to confirm that. Regardless, as I said, the only way we go on a deep playoff run with Stafford is if we invent a fantasy scenario where Donald doesn't get injured. If you have to do that, how much have things actually changed? Without Donald's injury, we may well have played for the Super Bowl with Goff at QB.

 

[Loyal]

We all know...We gotta Let Matt COOK! ~ @jrry32

 

[jrry32]

I guess you didn’t like the trade ? I do have to LMOA about the Goff Stafford trade thread before the trade.

—Wow - 2 first rd picks for to players of equal QB play? I just wonder the evaluation or what Goff did for such a trade. Not sure I believe in Matt Stafford after that.

2020 Stafford was a better QB than 2020 Goff. But 2018 Goff was a better QB than 2018 Stafford. Correct, I didn't like the trade (and still don't). I wouldn't have gone all in on an older QB unless we were getting a special player (ex. Rodgers). Otherwise, I'd have given Goff another go and drafted a QB if Goff didn't step it up in 2021. We'll see what happens next year. Maybe McVay and Snead make me look stupid for having that opinion.

 

[FarNorth]

is that better than not surrendering a halftime lead for 40 straight games with a halftime lead?

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It's better than leading your team to three straight double digit loss seasons, assuming we are cherrypicking stats.

 

[Allen2McVay]

I'd have to look back at the tiebreakers. It would depend on what games we won. If we were 11-5 and beat Seattle in the second game, we win the division. If we were 11-5 with both wins over the 49ers, I think we win the division. If the two wins that flip are against the Jets and Dolphins, I think Seattle wins it on the divisional record tiebreaker, but I'd have to confirm that. Regardless, as I said, the only way we go on a deep playoff run with Stafford is if we invent a fantasy scenario where Donald doesn't get injured. If you have to do that, how much have things actually changed? Without Donald's injury, we may well have played for the Super Bowl with Goff at QB.

You’re complicating it, and we are going down a path I was trying to avoid with my initial response to another poster.

In my initial post responding to a poster’s ‘what if’ comment, I was trying to point-out how one game could change playoff matchups.

The Jets’ game bothered me the most. If the Rams had won that game, and everything else remained the same, the Rams are the 5th seed and playing on Washington.

 

[FarNorth]

The only things that can be criticized recently are the bad contracts given out. No one can defend that. But outside of that, who wouldn't like how things have been run the past few years? 3 playoff trips out of 4 years, 3 playoff wins, a SB trip. Whats not to like? Do you remember the decade+ before McVay got here? Now we aggressively go after players who we feel upgrade our roster and we've been doing that since McVay arrived.

And btw, the people that have legitimately watched Lions games and dont think Stafford is better, only think that because they were so wrapped up in their love and public defense of Goff, they're unwilling or unable to admit the truth now. There's no other possible explanation. Because there's a reason McVay traded Goff and acquired Stafford. If you can't see the talent difference then there's not much else to say. 32 out of 32 teams would prefer Stafford.

Sorry, I am hopeful that Stafford will help the Rams but I need to see it first. I want to see how well he can run McVay's offense, whether he can consistently convert thirds downs and sustain drives, whether he can convert in the red zone, etc.

There are plenty examples of talented players, and not just in football, who haven't won much. Right now Stafford is in that category. Maybe 12 years of futility in Detroit weren't his fault... but I need to see him leading the Rams to some wins first.

 

[Loyal]

Sorry, I am hopeful that Stafford will help the Rams but I need to see it first. I want to see how well he can run McVay's offense, whether he can consistently convert thirds downs and sustain drives, whether he can convert in the red zone, etc.

There are plenty examples of talented players, and not just in football, who haven't won much. Right now Stafford is in that category. Maybe 12 years of futility in Detroit weren't his fault... but I need to see him leading the Rams to some wins first.

How many wins did Goff have before McVay arrived?

McVay's skill is compensating for a QB's weaknesses and giving that QB a chance to succeed. Stafford has a different skill set than Goff and I don't think McVay will need to lessen the playbook for him AT ALL. We are in exciting times, boys!

 

[dang]

I think we are missing a bit point. McVay ain’t ever gonna be happy with 9-7 or 10-6 bullshit. He’s gonna make changes if he thinks that is where the Rams are at. We need to get used to this because it will involve bold moves like cutting Gurley or trading Goff. I loved Gurley and Goff and would not have advocating for such early departures but McVay was right about Gurley and will probably be right about Goff. No disrespect to Goff but I am betting McVay is right.

 

[jrry32]

You’re complicating it, and we are going down a path I was trying to avoid with my initial response to another poster.

In my initial post responding to a poster’s ‘what if’ comment, I was trying to point-out how one game could change playoff matchups.

The Jets’ game bothered me the most. If the Rams had won that game, and everything else remained the same, the Rams are the 5th seed and playing on Washington.

I'm not complicating it. It's very simple. A few untimely injuries cost us our season. That's football. Shit happens. Hell, for all we know, we could have lost that playoff game to Washington.

 

[Allen2McVay]

I'm not complicating it. It's very simple. A few untimely injuries cost us our season. That's football. Shit happens. Hell, for all we know, we could have lost that playoff game to Washington.

The original back-and-forth had nothing to do with Donald. It was about how one game can completely change the playoff match-ups.

And I got to push-back. What you posted below is far from 'very simple'.
'I'd have to look back at the tiebreakers. It would depend on what games we won. If we were 11-5 and beat Seattle in the second game, we win the division. If we were 11-5 with both wins over the 49ers, I think we win the division. If the two wins that flip are against the Jets and Dolphins, I think Seattle wins it on the divisional record tiebreaker, but I'd have to confirm that.'

 

[jrry32]

The original back-and-forth had nothing to do with Donald. It was about how one game can completely change the playoff match-ups.

And I got to push-back. What you posted below is far from 'very simple'.
'I'd have to look back at the tiebreakers. It would depend on what games we won. If we were 11-5 and beat Seattle in the second game, we win the division. If we were 11-5 with both wins over the 49ers, I think we win the division. If the two wins that flip are against the Jets and Dolphins, I think Seattle wins it on the divisional record tiebreaker, but I'd have to confirm that.'

The tiebreakers really have nothing to do with my overarching point. My point was and is that injuries, especially to Donald, ruined our chances. Having to create a fantasy scenario where Stafford runs the table because we don't suffer those injuries isn't significant to me because I feel Goff could have done the same thing without them.

This trade is only a winner if we're landing a QB who elevates this team to a Super Bowl winner. I don't see Stafford as that caliber of QB. And if you're one of the people who don't feel confident he would have led us to a win over Green Bay if subbed in for Goff that day, you might just be in the same boat. If you feel differently, well, you're entitled to your opinion.

 

[So Ram]

If Goff had the time to throw that Rogers had in that game he would have shredded the defense. But like Rogers in the Tampa game, Goff looked bad under constant pressure. Also, our defense played terrible!
So I don't get your point.

FREAKING REALLY?

View: https://youtu.be/GBnvgJtAUNM

 

[FarNorth]

How many wins did Goff have before McVay arrived?

McVay's skill is compensating for a QB's weaknesses and giving that QB a chance to succeed. Stafford has a different skill set than Goff and I don't think McVay will need to lessen the playbook for him AT ALL. We are in exciting times, boys!

I appreciate your enthusiasm but I still want to see the offense with Stafford work on the field first.

 

[So Ram]

Aaron Rodgers all day. I love Stafford but Rodgers is on a different level. Top 5 talent to ever play the position IMO. So I'd take him over everyone not named Mahomes and Watson because he's like 37. When you combine the arm talent with the ability to process and beat you mentally, plus offer mobility.. those guys are tough to beat.

I’m not a big Watson fan.I think he is good and was a steal in the draft.I just think he is over rated a bit.Stafford to me is the better QB.

Mcvay wanted Aaron Rogers before Stafford,so just reflecting back & seeing how he picked The Rams defense apart was very impressive.
He didn’t have much more time than Rogers just read the defense better.He
set his plays up & his pump fake Goffncould never do.In fact pressure by Floyd would have been a disaster like he caused a few QB’s.

 

[Mojo Ram]

This thread will go to 127

 

[So Ram]

2020 Stafford was a better QB than 2020 Goff. But 2018 Goff was a better QB than 2018 Stafford. Correct, I didn't like the trade (and still don't). I wouldn't have gone all in on an older QB unless we were getting a special player (ex. Rodgers). Otherwise, I'd have given Goff another go and drafted a QB if Goff didn't step it up in 2021. We'll see what happens next year. Maybe McVay and Snead make me look stupid for having that opinion.

Yeah - will see. I like the trade,but the 2 first rd picks was to much.I’ve never been 100% Jared Goff believer.His regression in 2020 really tipped the cap imo. The Rams offense should have been way better than they showed.They brought almost the whole offense back.
I respect your opinion over the years,and appreciate your view.I think Stafford is actually heading into his prime & will only get better.The Rams are going to need to lock him in,but I think the contract will work itself out.
Getting another WR will be a must.Jefferson will improve a lot & Josh Reynolds was very disappointing this season.

 

[OC_Ram]

I’m glad to see some LA fans have mad love for Goff. He sure could use a few to follow him out to Detroit. Get out there and show him some love!

 

[Allen2McVay]

The tiebreakers really have nothing to do with my overarching point. My point was and is that injuries, especially to Donald, ruined our chances. Having to create a fantasy scenario where Stafford runs the table because we don't suffer those injuries isn't significant to me because I feel Goff could have done the same thing without them.

This trade is only a winner if we're landing a QB who elevates this team to a Super Bowl winner. I don't see Stafford as that caliber of QB. And if you're one of the people who don't feel confident he would have led us to a win over Green Bay if subbed in for Goff that day, you might just be in the same boat. If you feel differently, well, you're entitled to your opinion.

It seems we are talking about entirely different topics.

My post was about the impact one regular season game can have on playoff-seeding. A win over the Jets (without any other changes) flips the Rams and Bucs playoff-seeds.

I have yet to post anything on Donald's injury, or an opinion of Stafford

I agree Donald's injury really hurt the Rams' chances in Green Bay but "ruined' may be an exaggeration. Green Bay had injuries too ... played that game without its All Pro LT.

As far as the trade, that's a longer post but I do consider Stafford an up-grade.

 

[SteezyEndo]

This trade is only a winner if we're landing a QB who elevates this team to a Super Bowl winner. I don't see Stafford as that caliber of QB.

Curious on how much longer you were willing to put up with Goff at the helm of this team. Did you feel he was elevating this team? And if given more time he would of won a Super Bowl?

Its kind of ridiculous to say Matt Stafford is that type of QB who cannot elevate a team, despite the circumstances he had to endure throughout his entire career. I believe we have a pretty good shot at being a Super Bowl contender with what Stafford could bring to the table as is.

 

[jrry32]

Curious on how much longer you were willing to put up with Goff at the helm of this team. Did you feel he was elevating this team? And if given more time he would of won a Super Bowl?

Its kind of ridiculous to say Matt Stafford is that type of QB who cannot elevate a team, despite the circumstances he had to endure throughout his entire career. I believe we have a pretty good shot at being a Super Bowl contender with what Stafford could bring to the table as is.

I wanted to give Goff another year to see if he could bounce back. I don't see it as remotely ridiculous to question Stafford's ability to elevate this team to a Super Bowl winner when he's never won a playoff game in his 12 years in the NFL.

I agree Donald's injury really hurt the Rams' chances in Green Bay but "ruined' may be an exaggeration. Green Bay had injuries too ... played that game without its All Pro LT.

Our defense fell apart without normal Donald. I don't consider it an exaggeration.