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We still play the Seahawks in the first round, and we still would have been fucked if Donald got injured. The injuries against Seattle killed our season. In order for us to make a run with Stafford, we'd have to invent a fantasy scenario where those injuries don't happen. And if those injuries don't happen, I feel plenty good about our chances with Goff too.



We lose. Stafford has never won a playoff game in his career, has consistently shrunk in big games, and stunk up the field the last time he was in the playoffs.



Are you really lecturing somebody else about speculating literally the post after you did the same thing? :ROFLMAO:

I guess you didn’t like the trade ? I do have to LMOA about the Goff Stafford trade thread before the trade.

—Wow - 2 first rd picks for to players of equal QB play? I just wonder the evaluation or what Goff did for such a trade. Not sure I believe in Matt Stafford after that.
 

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Because acquiring Stafford is the only reason people couldn't like how the Rams have run things the last few years right? LOL keep on keeping on man. And yes people can have watched Lions games and still not agree with you.

Can have Huh ? Like can have your cake & eat it to? Sounds like a win win to me. Really cake on Thanksgiving
Pumpkin cake with chocolate Swiss cheese frosting.
 

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We still play the Seahawks in the first round ...

Sure about that?

If the Rams had 11 wins (same as Tampa), wouldn’t the Rams have been the fifth seed by virtue of defeating the Bucs?

That would have had the Rams in Washington in the first round.
 

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Because acquiring Stafford is the only reason people couldn't like how the Rams have run things the last few years right? LOL keep on keeping on man. And yes people can have watched Lions games and still not agree with you.

The only things that can be criticized recently are the bad contracts given out. No one can defend that. But outside of that, who wouldn't like how things have been run the past few years? 3 playoff trips out of 4 years, 3 playoff wins, a SB trip. Whats not to like? Do you remember the decade+ before McVay got here? Now we aggressively go after players who we feel upgrade our roster and we've been doing that since McVay arrived.

And btw, the people that have legitimately watched Lions games and dont think Stafford is better, only think that because they were so wrapped up in their love and public defense of Goff, they're unwilling or unable to admit the truth now. There's no other possible explanation. Because there's a reason McVay traded Goff and acquired Stafford. If you can't see the talent difference then there's not much else to say. 32 out of 32 teams would prefer Stafford.
 

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Biggest point they made: Stafford has 31 4th quarter comeback victories since he entered the league in 2009. Most in the NFL over that span. Yet people want to knock him for not winning enough :ROFLMAO:. Look at his roster last year. 31st ranked defense. 32nd ranked rushing attack.

The people that don't like the trade or talked shit on him haven't watched him play. Im mean seriously sat and watched him play full games. Because if you have, the talent level is clearly elite. We're going to be so fucking good next year.

From your mouth to the football god's ears brother!!!
I'm not knocking Goff but watching highlights from both Stafford and Goff. It just seems bang bang when Stafford moves and orchestrates an offense.
There is also something to be said for throwing an interception because your confident in your abilities as opposed to an interception that's a prayer/desperation and just hoping for the best a possible completion that goes for all quarterbacks. Might come from a combination of skill and confidence and in fairness Goff is young yet he may get there but we needed it now.
Cheers bud!
 

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The only things that can be criticized recently are the bad contracts given out.
(y) Going forward that is the issue for the Rams front office. They need to look at their process for signing these guys and unfuck it.

If they had simply made Goff play it out maybe things look differently. Maybe Goff plays with a different approach and right now he's a Super Bowl champ and we're talking about signing him before he hits the market. Who knows.

NFL is weird man. So many variables it is impossible to say what would have been even with the slightest different move. But things went the way they did and now Goff is going to learn a valuable lesson wrt the NFL and McVay and the Rams front office hopefully learns a few things too.

And again I'll say that my take on Stafford was way off. He's a lot better than I thought I was guilty of a lot of assumptions with his game. Good enough to get us over the hump though? No idea and we have a lot of offseason to go before I think that. Stafford is going to need better weapons and better protection if McVay wants to field a top 5 offense. And we're still gonna need a great defense if we want our best chance to bring that Lombardi to SoFi.
 

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(y) Going forward that is the issue for the Rams front office. They need to look at their process for signing these guys and unfuck it.

If they had simply made Goff play it out maybe things look differently. Maybe Goff plays with a different approach and right now he's a Super Bowl champ and we're talking about signing him before he hits the market. Who knows.

NFL is weird man. So many variables it is impossible to say what would have been even with the slightest different move. But things went the way they did and now Goff is going to learn a valuable lesson wrt the NFL and McVay and the Rams front office hopefully learns a few things too.

And again I'll say that my take on Stafford was way off. He's a lot better than I thought I was guilty of a lot of assumptions with his game. Good enough to get us over the hump though? No idea and we have a lot of offseason to go before I think that. Stafford is going to need better weapons and better protection if McVay wants to field a top 5 offense. And we're still gonna need a great defense if we want our best chance to bring that Lombardi to SoFi.

Yea they've been horrible in hindsight and to me that's the only real issue we've seen with this current regime. I have mixed feelings about the contracts tbh. The Goff contract made sense from the standpoint of getting out ahead of the $40M QB market which was around the corner. But we paid him after he played horribly in the SB. And down the stretch in 2018 he wasn't very good the last 7 games or so. But ultimately he played great in the NFC championship game and I think that's what got him the contract. However with 1 year left on his deal we could've waited. But if Goff had a monster 2019 we would've lost a lot of money not giving him a contract. So really I understand it and it was just unfortunate he didn't develop how McVay wanted.

The Gurley and Cooks deals are more unlucky to me because both releases were due to injury. Gurley was the best player on the planet for 2 years and then his knee just started failing him. Cooks couldn't stay on the field with all the concussions. These were 2 of our top 4 paid players. You cant have your top paid players not producing, you just cant. So I understand the releases and dead money. How do you predict those injuries when both players were amazing the year before? The one thing I respect about how Les and McVay have handled it, is they're not being complacent and compounding their mistakes. It would be very easy to have kept Gurley around, rolled with Goff for another year given the massive dead $. But they want to win bad. And if they don't think a player is producing up their standards they will get rid of them. No matter the name. You have to appreciate them recognizing a mistake and making necessary moves to keep us competitive.

Regarding Stafford, I've watched him play for a long time now. He's been one of my favorite QBs in the league, and I sometimes forget that other people don't watch football from around the league much. Not talking about prime time games because I'm sure most around here do. But when you're big into fantasy sports you watch other teams closely to evaluate players. I have zero questions about Stafford's talent, or his "lack" of ability to win big games in Detroit. Pairing him and McVay with the talent here in LA will be huge for us. We'll be competing for NFC championships for the foreseeable future. He's a great QB not only in structure, but outside of structure. And that is where Goff struggled. If McVay didn't win with a perfect play call, the play was normally dead. Or if Goff had pressure, the play was normally dead. You need a QB that can make big plays when things break down occasionally. And that's something Stafford excels in. He's not a running QB by any means but his movement in the pocket is similar to Rodgers' movement if I had to compare it. Escaping pressure, resetting his feet and making crazy throws from different platforms are all things we didn't have. That's not to mention his elite arm strength and how he's been one of the best on deep balls- TDs, accuracy and completion % for the past decade. My ONLY concern would be his health if I were to say anything. Because he will run through a brick wall and has taken some hits. But even when he's been nicked up he still plays through everything so :hope:. And when I initially saw two future 1st rounders + a 3rd + Goff I did think it was a bit much... but I understood the cost of getting out from under Goff's contract. However once Albert Breer gave insight into the Carolina offer- Pick 8 (this year) + 4th rounder + Bridgewater...it wasn't an overpay at all.
 

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(y) Going forward that is the issue for the Rams front office. They need to look at their process for signing these guys and unfuck it.

If they had simply made Goff play it out maybe things look differently. Maybe Goff plays with a different approach and right now he's a Super Bowl champ and we're talking about signing him before he hits the market. Who knows.

NFL is weird man. So many variables it is impossible to say what would have been even with the slightest different move. But things went the way they did and now Goff is going to learn a valuable lesson wrt the NFL and McVay and the Rams front office hopefully learns a few things too.

And again I'll say that my take on Stafford was way off. He's a lot better than I thought I was guilty of a lot of assumptions with his game. Good enough to get us over the hump though? No idea and we have a lot of offseason to go before I think that. Stafford is going to need better weapons and better protection if McVay wants to field a top 5 offense. And we're still gonna need a great defense if we want our best chance to bring that Lombardi to SoFi.

I thought my process was out there.A lot of maybes. Truth is The Rams were able to trade for Jared Goff.
What do you think the cost for the trade would have been without Jared?
 

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Yea they've been horrible in hindsight and to me that's the only real issue we've seen with this current regime. I have mixed feelings about the contracts tbh. The Goff contract made sense from the standpoint of getting out ahead of the $40M QB market which was around the corner. But we paid him after he played horribly in the SB. And down the stretch in 2018 he wasn't very good the last 7 games or so. But ultimately he played great in the NFC championship game and I think that's what got him the contract. However with 1 year left on his deal we could've waited. But if Goff had a monster 2019 we would've lost a lot of money not giving him a contract. So really I understand it and it was just unfortunate he didn't develop how McVay wanted.

The Gurley and Cooks deals are more unlucky to me because both releases were due to injury. Gurley was the best player on the planet for 2 years and then his knee just started failing him. Cooks couldn't stay on the field with all the concussions. These were 2 of our top 4 paid players. You cant have your top paid players not producing, you just cant. So I understand the releases and dead money. How do you predict those injuries when both players were amazing the year before? The one thing I respect about how Les and McVay have handled it, is they're not being complacent and compounding their mistakes. It would be very easy to have kept Gurley around, rolled with Goff for another year given the massive dead $. But they want to win bad. And if they don't think a player is producing up their standards they will get rid of them. No matter the name. You have to appreciate them recognizing a mistake and making necessary moves to keep us competitive.

Regarding Stafford, I've watched him play for a long time now. He's been one of my favorite QBs in the league, and I sometimes forget that other people don't watch football from around the league much. Not talking about prime time games because I'm sure most around here do. But when you're big into fantasy sports you watch other teams closely to evaluate players. I have zero questions about Stafford's talent, or his "lack" of ability to win big games in Detroit. Pairing him and McVay with the talent here in LA will be huge for us. We'll be competing for NFC championships for the foreseeable future. He's a great QB not only in structure, but outside of structure. And that is where Goff struggled. If McVay didn't win with a perfect play call, the play was normally dead. Or if Goff had pressure, the play was normally dead. You need a QB that can make big plays when things break down occasionally. And that's something Stafford excels in. He's not a running QB by any means but his movement in the pocket is similar to Rodgers' movement if I had to compare it. Escaping pressure, resetting his feet and making crazy throws from different platforms are all things we didn't have. That's not to mention his elite arm strength and how he's been one of the best on deep balls- TDs, accuracy and completion % for the past decade. My ONLY concern would be his health if I were to say anything. Because he will run through a brick wall and has taken some hits. But even when he's been nicked up he still plays through everything so :hope:. And when I initially saw two future 1st rounders + a 3rd + Goff I did think it was a bit much... but I understood the cost of getting out from under Goff's contract. However once Albert Breer gave insight into the Carolina offer- Pick 8 (this year) + 4th rounder + Bridgewater...it wasn't an overpay at all.

Who would you rather have Aaron Rogers or Mathew Stafford. If you look at The Rams loss in the Playoffs it was Rogers that made the difference in the game.If Goff was the GB QB The Rms win.
 

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Could Wolford have had a chance to START if Goff was still The Rams QB ?

He was a solid backup that a lot of Ram Fans didn’t want to believe. He was better than Bortles. Beat him out at the end of 2019.Now he is continuing to Work Hard.

 

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Who would you rather have Aaron Rogers or Mathew Stafford. If you look at The Rams loss in the Playoffs it was Rogers that made the difference in the game.If Goff was the GB QB The Rms win.

If Goff had the time to throw that Rogers had in that game he would have shredded the defense. But like Rogers in the Tampa game, Goff looked bad under constant pressure. Also, our defense played terrible!
So I don't get your point.
 

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Still going... :zany:

I guess some people are addicted to posting? It will interesting to watch this play out.

Personally, I am more interested to see how the Rams manage their cap situation. If we do indeed contend (as seems likely barring major injuries) we look set for years to come - especially once we clear the dead money. Or am I missing something?

The Bucs built a contender largely through FA. I only see good things ahead, but maybe it’s because my glass is half full
 

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Pairing him and McVay with the talent here in LA will be huge for us.
I do agree with this. Stafford is a cocky fuck, and a better fit for a competitive guy like McVay. I think they'll be great together I just don't want to get too crazy until we see some good roster moves to supplement what was already a good move IMO.
 

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I guess some people are addicted to posting? It will interesting to watch this play out.
Yeah it's hard to stay out of lol. Been trying to avoid it but it's always there. :ROFLMAO:

I think once the other roster moves start this one will peter out though.
 

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Still going... :zany:

I guess some people are addicted to posting? It will interesting to watch this play out.

Personally, I am more interested to see how the Rams manage their cap situation. If we do indeed contend (as seems likely barring major injuries) we look set for years to come - especially once we clear the dead money. Or am I missing something?

The Bucs built a contender largely through FA. I only see good things ahead, but maybe it’s because my glass is half full

I was just thinking the same thing! I didn’t log on yesterday and here is this stupid ass thread still being debated lol.
 

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Who would you rather have Aaron Rogers or Mathew Stafford. If you look at The Rams loss in the Playoffs it was Rogers that made the difference in the game.If Goff was the GB QB The Rms win.

Aaron Rodgers all day. I love Stafford but Rodgers is on a different level. Top 5 talent to ever play the position IMO. So I'd take him over everyone not named Mahomes and Watson because he's like 37. When you combine the arm talent with the ability to process and beat you mentally, plus offer mobility.. those guys are tough to beat.
 

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How would anybody know that? Damn near every rookie QB struggles reading defenses. And it's not like anybody knows when Goff did and didn't have help reading defenses otherwise under McVay.

Also, Belichick's brilliant strategy wasn't to change the defense after 15 seconds. If it was that simple, we could have just run hurry up and snapped the ball before the play clock got to 15 seconds. His brilliant strategy was to crowd the LOS with bodies who could rush or drop into coverage to confuse our protections and put Goff in a situation where he was unable to tell who would rush or drop until after the snap. Unsurprisingly, that threw off our offensive rhythm and timing because Goff had to take an extra moment to figure out who was in coverage.

The thing is that defensive strategy was so brilliant that Belichick then used it to absolutely decimate NFL offenses for the entire first half of the 2019 season. Nobody had an answer for it until the Ravens in Week 9. In the first eight games of 2019, no team scored more than 14 points on New England's defense, and New England held five of eight opponents to 10 or less points. The Patriots finished the 2019 season with the #1 defense. It took the entire NFL half a season to figure out the defense Belichick used against us, and plenty of teams still struggled with it over the second half of the year.

Hey Jerry. Appreciate your insights on the Rams and with all the Goff threads I might have missed your earlier comments but in your opinion why do you think Snead and McVay were so eager to trade Goff and give up what they did?
 

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Hey Jerry. Appreciate your insights on the Rams and with all the Goff threads I might have missed your earlier comments but in your opinion why do you think Snead and McVay were so eager to trade Goff and give up what they did?

I don't know. Best I can explain is that McVay was tired of the young QB mistakes and wants to go for a Super Bowl before Aaron Donald starts declining.
 
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