Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

[VegasRam]

this is what i am afraid of, small window with Stafford, when JG just entering his prime..........
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Define "Prime". Because he's only 26? I love the guy too, but he simply didn't, (and wasn't going to), learn from his mistakes/improve, especially given his contract (which I didn't and still don't have an issue with), but it's still a factor.

Or he wasn't willing to be patient enough to find out. That's an issue that plagued his mentor, Jon Gruden, too.

C'mon Jerry - 4 years wasn't long enough for a coach of McVay's acumen to know what he did/did not have in Goff?
He was more than patient.

 

[HellRam]

Define "Prime". Because he's only 26? I love the guy too, but he simply didn't, (and wasn't going to), learn from his mistakes/improve, especially given his contract (which I didn't and still don't have an issue with), but it's still a factor.



C'mon Jerry - 4 years wasn't long enough for a coach of McVay's acumen to know what he did/did not have in Goff?
He was more than patient.

I recommend looking at most franchise QBs production. The majority of them were not even close to their prime in their first 5 years. Brady, Manning, Brees, Big Ben and especially Matt Stafford who wasn't good at all in his 4th and 5th seasons. Outisde of Mahomes who has insane talent and coaching around him and maybe Russel Wilson. Virtually every single QB goes through a couple rough seasons in their first few years in the league.

I don't know what type of QB Goff will finish his career at. But if he puts the work in. His progression is far from over.

 

[VegasRam]

I recommend looking at most franchise QBs production. The majority of them were not even close to their prime in their first 5 years. Brady, Manning, Brees, Big Ben and especially Matt Stafford who wasn't good at all in his 4th and 5th seasons. Outisde of Mahomes who has insane talent and coaching around him and maybe Russel Wilson. Virtually every single QB goes through a couple rough seasons in their first few years in the league.

I don't know what type of QB Goff will finish his career at. But if he puts the work in. His progression is far from over.

Fair enough but here's the difference imo. Hell, I loved/defended Goff for 4 years, up until he's inside Seattle's 20 and throws that mind-fucking-numbing INT. At that point my take was...love the guy but just can't defend him anymore. Rough seasons sure, but not regression.

As far as his being in his prime, I would maintain there's just as good an argument that Stafford is in his prime, given the longevity of QBs these days.

 

[HellRam]

Fair enough but here's the difference imo. Hell, I loved/defended Goff for 4 years, up until he's inside Seattle's 20 and throws that mind-fucking-numbing INT. At that point my take was...love the guy but just can't defend him anymore. Rough seasons sure, but not regression.

As far as his being in his prime, I would maintain there's just as good an argument that Stafford is in his prime, given the longevity of QBs these days.

I don't disagree barring health Stafford should have a few good years left. And 2020 Staff was better then 2020 Goff. Even though the way Goff played in the playoffs really gave me hope going foward. Still shocked they traded him after those two gutsy performances. But it is what it is at this point.

The Rams need two things for this trade to be a real win.

1. Win with Stafford. Pretty much a Superbowl victory, considering Goff has already made it there.

2. Hope Goff doesn't make major progress. If Jared improves back to his 2017/18 level. We pretty much give up major draft capital for a lateral move.

 

[Shuie3225]

So many crying Goff apologists still in here day after day. Imagine thinking you know football more than McVay. There's a reason why Goff was traded, the fact is he just wasn't that good. You would think after being slapped in the face with the reality of Goff being traded, it would wake some people up. Snap them out of the fantasy land they let themselves sink into. It must be hard after arguing for years and years that Goff was a good player, that McVay wasn't in his ear every single snap, that he can actually read a defense, that he's really not that bad facing pressure, that he just needs a better OL and a deep threat. Every excuse in the world was used for him.. and at the end of the day one of the most well respected head coaches in the entire NFL knew he couldn't win a super bowl with Goff. That should be enough for most, but unfortunately its not. When you hitch your wagon to a loser and get emotionally attached, it takes real courage to come off of it and admit you were wrong. Many around here have in the past 3 weeks, but its comical to see the same whiny people still complaining and holding their ground.

 

[Selassie I]

 

[So Ram]

So many crying Goff apologists still in here day after day. Imagine thinking you know football more than McVay. There's a reason why Goff was traded, the fact is he just wasn't that good. You would think after being slapped in the face with the reality of Goff being traded, it would wake some people up. Snap them out of the fantasy land they let themselves sink into. It must be hard after arguing for years and years that Goff was a good player, that McVay wasn't in his ear every single snap, that he can actually read a defense, that he's really not that bad facing pressure, that he just needs a better OL and a deep threat. Every excuse in the world was used for him.. and at the end of the day one of the most well respected head coaches in the entire NFL knew he couldn't win a super bowl with Goff. That should be enough for most, but unfortunately its not. When you hitch your wagon to a loser and get emotionally attached, it takes real courage to come off of it and admit you were wrong. Many around here have in the past 3 weeks, but its comical to see the same whiny people still complaining and holding their ground.

You maybe right & Goff might not be all that good. The Fact is though the Trade has not played out & to think it was a valid point of defense for the Goff Lovers. Those 2 1st. Rd. draft picks
was a hefty price & McSnead could be wrong ?
I personally like the way The Rams offense looked last season even with Goff at times.Wolford showed The Rams can play at a High Level without Jared Goff though.
Never saw that from Detroit without Stafford.

 

[ReekofRams]

As a a very well worded statement was so profoundly made in ’Brother Where Art Thou,’ “Well I’m with you fellas.”

 

[BriansRams]

Look guys. Goff is gone. He was traded.
Our new stud QB is Matthew Stafford!
If you don't like that ... deal with it. Go RAMS. To the superbowl with Stafford at the helm!

 

[NJRamsFan]

I see more people complaining about complainers than I do complainers complaining.

Woah what did I just say?

 

[Shuie3225]

I see more people complaining about complainers than I do complainers complaining.

Woah what did I just say?

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You must not be reading majority of the posts recently then. Instead of looking at how Stafford will change the offense, what concepts we can now run with him, who will be catching all the deep balls we're going to be throwing now, how elite his arm is etc... people are still bitching about how they dont like the trade and what Stafford needs accomplish to justify trading Goff. This thread is at 128 pages now and people still cant get over it. I'm not singling you out, just saying its still going on non stop. Even if people loved Goff and defended him to the death there is still a point where its time to move on and accept Stafford. And it shouldn't be asking a lot to do that given how talented of QB he is. Like I said some definitely have and seem excited, but there are large number of prominent posters who are drowning out all the excitement with their negativity.

 

[ReekofRams]

I see more people complaining about complainers than I do complainers complaining.

Woah what did I just say?

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Are you complaining about those who are complaining about those complaining?:explode:

 

[NJRamsFan]

Are you complaining about those who are complaining about those complaining?:explode:

Are you complaining about me complaining about those who are complaining about those complaining?

I need to sit down

 

[Merlin]

C'mon Jerry - 4 years wasn't long enough for a coach of McVay's acumen to know what he did/did not have in Goff?
He was more than patient.

Yeah it's easy for fans to preach patience when their job isn't tied to the performance lol. It's a different perspective when you're the guy who is responsible for the product on the field. From there it's perfectly understandable to see the change in him wrt Goff this season. Wasn't anywhere near a surprise for anyone who was paying attention to what was happening on the field. Truth here is that 2020 was his "one more season" season.

Rams are a meritocracy. They need to unfuck these early contracts but what they just did was reopen their window.

 

[RocknRam29]

View: https://twitter.com/JKBogenDTSN/status/1361672934864146434

 

[jrry32]

C'mon Jerry - 4 years wasn't long enough for a coach of McVay's acumen to know what he did/did not have in Goff?
He was more than patient.

Was he? Goff was a top 10 QB in 2017 and 2018 while leading us to the #1 and #2 scoring offenses. In 2019, Goff led us to the #11 scoring offense and the #7 yardage offense behind a bad OL with one of the NFL's worst running games. People can cite the turnovers as an issue, but it's hard to shit on the QB when we were a missed FG away from the playoffs, despite all the issues the 2019 squad had. So as far as I can tell, 2020 was the first year that Goff held this team back. Meanwhile, Goff and the offense carried the defense during the 2018 regular season.

So no, I don't think he was more than patient. I can and have pointed to a number of franchise QBs in the past who had similar up and down play early in their careers. In fact, the QB we just acquired, Matt Stafford, had an elite season at 23 years old (5000+ yards, 40+ TDs, and a near 100 passer rating) only to follow it up with a bad season at 24 years old and back-to-back mediocre seasons at 25 and 26 years old. Stafford broke out at 27 years old and never looked back. Goff turns 27 years old next season. 27 to 30 years old is the window when pocket passers usually elevate their games and become consistent performers.

I think McVay made a hasty, impulsive decision. For all his great attributes, that is one issue I have had with him. I am still very happy we have him as a HC, but I wouldn't be surprised if this trade proves to be a mistake.

 

[jrry32]

Yeah it's easy for fans to preach patience when their job isn't tied to the performance lol. It's a different perspective when you're the guy who is responsible for the product on the field. From there it's perfectly understandable to see the change in him wrt Goff this season. Wasn't anywhere near a surprise for anyone who was paying attention to what was happening on the field. Truth here is that 2020 was his "one more season" season.

Rams are a meritocracy. They need to unfuck these early contracts but what they just did was reopen their window.

The window was never closed. I think they compressed it unnecessarily.

 

[payote75]

I don't disagree barring health Stafford should have a few good years left. And 2020 Staff was better then 2020 Goff. Even though the way Goff played in the playoffs really gave me hope going foward. Still shocked they traded him after those two gutsy performances. But it is what it is at this point.

The Rams need two things for this trade to be a real win.

1. Win with Stafford. Pretty much a Superbowl victory, considering Goff has already made it there.

2. Hope Goff doesn't make major progress. If Jared improves back to his 2017/18 level. We pretty much give up major draft capital for a lateral move.

I'm ok with Goff making progress he did what he could for us. I don't want him to fail so we can win the trade we owe it to him to hope he does well. He may not of progressed ..he may have regressed...but he gave us a lot of good things too. One of the best things was hope. We didn't have that for so many years. I'm happy about the trade I want us to win a Superbowl but I will not...I repeat...I will not root for Goff to suck or not be where most of us thought he should or would be. Who knows this trade may light his fire to become what he was supposed to. I wish him the very best he did a lot for this team.
Maybe he got too complacent same team same home same people. So either way like I always said I will be rooting for him as long as it doesn't affect the Rams negatively in any way. We didn't care about the pundits when they called Goff a bust or a joke we shouldn't care if they say boy Goff is a stud rams really blew it. That's the media. Our time is now so balls to the wall.

At 26 he has time to hit his stride the rams just didn't want to wait or maybe felt he had hit his ceiling. This gives me a reason to watch more football and watch the damn lions lol

 

[FrantikRam]

I don't remotely agree with this argument. The Texans made the playoffs in 2016 when J.J. Watt played only 3 games and 2019 when Watt played only 8 games. Watt and Donald are two of the best defensive players of my lifetime. But they're not indispensable. We won 13 games in the 2020 regular season with a below average defense. It'll hurt when Donald declines and ultimately retires, but it's not fatal to this team. AD is worth the money he's being paid, but we're also not going to be completely lost when he retires.



Goff would continue starting while the QB got up to speed. That's also ignoring the scenario where Goff steps his game up and does the job. My issue with the "wasting Donald's prime" argument is that we're going to end up wasting it anyways (by your logic) if we don't win a Super Bowl. And I don't see Stafford as the caliber of QB who immediately elevates us to a Super Bowl favorite.



Or he wasn't willing to be patient enough to find out. That's an issue that plagued his mentor, Jon Gruden, too.

Well yes if we don't win a Super Bowl, we will have wasted Donald's prime. And if that happens it'll be a massive organizational failure that will include McVay.

McVay was the closest person to Goff and knows things we never will, so it's pretty easy to chalk it up as something we will never know the full story on.

Stafford makes us better next year IMO and given the nature of the NFL, I'm fine with taking it one year at a time.

 

[FrantikRam]

I don't disagree barring health Stafford should have a few good years left. And 2020 Staff was better then 2020 Goff. Even though the way Goff played in the playoffs really gave me hope going foward. Still shocked they traded him after those two gutsy performances. But it is what it is at this point.

The Rams need two things for this trade to be a real win.

1. Win with Stafford. Pretty much a Superbowl victory, considering Goff has already made it there.

2. Hope Goff doesn't make major progress. If Jared improves back to his 2017/18 level. We pretty much give up major draft capital for a lateral move.

1. Technically we just need the offense to be better for this trade to have been a success. Goff was part of a (LOADED) team that made the Super Bowl, but regressed. Were not comparing Stafford to 2018 Goff, were comparing him to 2020 Goff (and beyond)

2. Agreed on this point - although with the caveat that we just need Stafford to stay better than Goff