Marcus Peters to the Rams?

[RamFan503]

Does it really harm the product though? Reports are that viewership was down, but it's getting impossible to tell with all the streaming. On the flip side, "no press is bad press". The kneeling had outlets discussing the NFL that didn't normally.

As for the kneeling - I don't think I'll ever understand your view point. Aside from @Mackeyser whose post was brilliant, I've had other military people tell me it doesn't bother them. And even if it does bother some people, the irony is that things in life have bothered some people enough to the point where they feel like they have to kneel during the anthem. So it worked.

This country is all about freedom, and people can do whatever they want during the anthem IMO. And there are issues, and based on the conversations it's started, I think it was the right move.

Fair enough but I simply disagree. I know many in the military and former military and not one of them agrees with the idea. (I have to qualify that I guess. I have met Mac so there is one that I know) This is anecdotal I am aware. But the idea that it hasn’t hurt the product at least in the short run is IMO intentionally ignoring what has taken place.

Obviously nothing I say will change any of it but being that the players are in uniform when they do it, the owners and the league have every right to object or allow it as they have begrudgingly done. And while I disagree with them doing it, I do understand. I think that many of the players are being disengenuous but so is the NFL with their mock respect in having fly overs paid for by the taxpayers. I continued to watch football. But many I know have not - even some very diehard fans.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

I’m so done with ANYONE taking issue with kneeling (not saying you are or aren’t), saying that it disrespects the flag (it doesn’t)

Just want to point out that you are by no way a spokesman for other Vets

Neither am I am but I strongly disagree with your ( it doesn’t) b/c thru my perspective yes it does

No offense Mac, I salute your passion

 

[Riverumbbq]

Fair enough but I simply disagree. I know many in the military and former military and not one of them agrees with the idea. (I have to qualify that I guess. I have met Mac so there is one that I know) This is anecdotal I am aware. But the idea that it hasn’t hurt the product at least in the short run is IMO intentionally ignoring what has taken place.

Obviously nothing I say will change any of it but being that the players are in uniform when they do it, the owners and the league have every right to object or allow it as they have begrudgingly done. And while I disagree with them doing it, I do understand. I think that many of the players are being disengenuous but so is the NFL with their mock respect in having fly overs paid for by the taxpayers. I continued to watch football. But many I know have not - even some very diehard fans.

Well, I believe we could all agree that Fox is the most conservative network on TV, and they just inked a record $3Billion dollar deal for broadcasting Thursday Night Football, pretty much ensuring that the annual CAP will continue to rise, at least until 2022. There may be a disproportionate share of LOUD protesters against those choosing to kneel on the sidelines, but that may not be translating well to actual future viewership and the NFL's potential for increasing revenue.

 

[bluecoconuts]

Meh, I don't care if he kneels or sits, he'll be more rested when the whistle blows then.

The government pays the NFL to shove all the "patriotic" crap in everyone's face to boost recruitment numbers. I don't need a freedom boner every Sunday, just play some fucking football.

 

[Corbin]

Fair enough but I simply disagree. I know many in the military and former military and not one of them agrees with the idea. (I have to qualify that I guess. I have met Mac so there is one that I know) This is anecdotal I am aware. But the idea that it hasn’t hurt the product at least in the short run is IMO intentionally ignoring what has taken place.

Obviously nothing I say will change any of it but being that the players are in uniform when they do it, the owners and the league have every right to object or allow it as they have begrudgingly done. And while I disagree with them doing it, I do understand. I think that many of the players are being disengenuous but so is the NFL with their mock respect in having fly overs paid for by the taxpayers. I continued to watch football. But many I know have not - even some very diehard fans.

It's an interesting topic for sure. I for one don't see anything wrong with the armed forces paying the NFL for advertising. Same with the flyovers. It's a great platform to recruit on.

 

[Corbin]

p.s. How the hell did we get into another kneeling flag discussion on a Peters trade thread? Sigh...

 

[Riverumbbq]

p.s. How the hell did we get into another kneeling flag discussion on a Peters trade thread? Sigh...

BREAKING: Marcus Peters’ Kneeling During National Anthem Was Factor in Trade Away From Kansas City



It was just a few days ago when the Kansas City Chiefs made it known to all that all-pro CB Marcus Peters was on the trading block. And it didn’t take long for them to find a suitor, shipping him out to the Los Angeles Rams for a couple of draft picks.

Peters, who just turned 25 years old and has 19 career interceptions, actually had little interest in him when the Chiefs began shopping him around. As a matter of fact, only three teams showed any type of interest and it had a lot to do with his national anthem protests last season.

SI has the story.

“I’m told the Chiefs called all 31 other teams in the league this month on Peters, looking for a trade partner, and 28 teams either said they were not interested or did not make an offer of any value. For a player with the playing history of Peters at a vital and hard-to-fill position, that’s amazing.

Peters’ behavior had become erratic, apparently, capped by the Week 13 meltdown in the Meadowlands. The Chiefs decided they couldn’t trust his behavior anymore and, despite his playmaking ability, felt whatever they could fetch for him in trade would be better than Peters returning in 2018.

His protests during the national anthem didn’t help—at various points he raised his fist, sat on the bench and stayed in the locker room—but weren’t the driving force behind a trade.

Peters loves football. He practiced hard in Kansas City. But his tendency to lose it was a divisive part of his résumé too, and a big reason why the Chiefs dumped him.

In the end, Peters’ temper and disposition probably cost him a long career in Kansas City.”

Back in November, Chiefs owner Clark Hunt revealed he had spoken with Peters about kneeling during the national anthem.

“When it rolled around last year, it really wasn’t a big deal for us, and we’ve tried to stay with that this year,” Hunt said. “Obviously we’ve had some guys who have sat or knelt during some of the games this year, but we’ve continued to work with them and communicate with them that we prefer for them to stand.”

..and this what Peters had to say about his kneeling:

Nobody’s gotta know my reason why I sit,” Peters said. “Nobody’s gotta know the reason why somebody chooses the religion they choose. Nobody’s gotta know why I eat cereal instead of eating oatmeal in the morning.”

http://www.totalprosports.com/2018/...em-was-factor-in-trade-away-from-kansas-city/

 

[OldSchool]

Does it really harm the product though?

Some of us watch the sport simply to watch the sport. I don't need or want anybody telling me their personal beliefs or political agenda's. Sports are a release from the real world and life in general. Now it's being brought into sports and that's what some people have an issue with. It would be nice to once again watch an NFL game and simply talk about football. After the games off is when most of us work on real world problems.

 

[Corbin]

BREAKING: Marcus Peters’ Kneeling During National Anthem Was Factor in Trade Away From Kansas City



It was just a few days ago when the Kansas City Chiefs made it known to all that all-pro CB Marcus Peters was on the trading block. And it didn’t take long for them to find a suitor, shipping him out to the Los Angeles Rams for a couple of draft picks.

Peters, who just turned 25 years old and has 19 career interceptions, actually had little interest in him when the Chiefs began shopping him around. As a matter of fact, only three teams showed any type of interest and it had a lot to do with his national anthem protests last season.

SI has the story.

“I’m told the Chiefs called all 31 other teams in the league this month on Peters, looking for a trade partner, and 28 teams either said they were not interested or did not make an offer of any value. For a player with the playing history of Peters at a vital and hard-to-fill position, that’s amazing.

Peters’ behavior had become erratic, apparently, capped by the Week 13 meltdown in the Meadowlands. The Chiefs decided they couldn’t trust his behavior anymore and, despite his playmaking ability, felt whatever they could fetch for him in trade would be better than Peters returning in 2018.

His protests during the national anthem didn’t help—at various points he raised his fist, sat on the bench and stayed in the locker room—but weren’t the driving force behind a trade.

Peters loves football. He practiced hard in Kansas City. But his tendency to lose it was a divisive part of his résumé too, and a big reason why the Chiefs dumped him.

In the end, Peters’ temper and disposition probably cost him a long career in Kansas City.”

Back in November, Chiefs owner Clark Hunt revealed he had spoken with Peters about kneeling during the national anthem.

“When it rolled around last year, it really wasn’t a big deal for us, and we’ve tried to stay with that this year,” Hunt said. “Obviously we’ve had some guys who have sat or knelt during some of the games this year, but we’ve continued to work with them and communicate with them that we prefer for them to stand.”

..and this what Peters had to say about his kneeling:

Nobody’s gotta know my reason why I sit,” Peters said. “Nobody’s gotta know the reason why somebody chooses the religion they choose. Nobody’s gotta know why I eat cereal instead of eating oatmeal in the morning.”

http://www.totalprosports.com/2018/...em-was-factor-in-trade-away-from-kansas-city/

Shit figures lol

Meh... I'll take him as a Ram. Not the worst thing ever to have to deal with. I rather deal with him kneeling than any other of the things he's been said to have done.

 

[Riverumbbq]

crap figures lol

Meh... I'll take him as a Ram. Not the worst thing ever to have to deal with. I rather deal with him kneeling than any other of the things he's been said to have done.

The U.S. & Canada are pretty alone in this ritual, most countries don't play a national anthem before sporting events. It's even getting controversial in public schools.

 

[Corbin]

The U.S. & Canada are pretty alone in this ritual, most countries don't play a national anthem before sporting events. It's even getting controversial in public schools.

No way? I didn't know Canada played their national anthem before events. Haha everything is controversial nowadays, doesn't surprise me.

 

[JackDRams]

Nobody gotta know why I eat cereal in the morning instead of oatmeal.

 

[RamFan503]

p.s. How the hell did we get into another kneeling flag discussion on a Peters trade thread? Sigh...

Yeah - I'd prefer we move on. I think most of us have beat this thing to death and yet here we are. I know I added to it but I'm done.

 

[RamFan503]

Nobody gotta know why I eat cereal in the morning instead of oatmeal.

Well shit. NOW I'm curious.

 

[Angry Ram]

freedom boner

 

[jrry32]

Some of us watch the sport simply to watch the sport. I don't need or want anybody telling me their personal beliefs or political agenda's. Sports are a release from the real world and life in general. Now it's being brought into sports and that's what some people have an issue with. It would be nice to once again watch an NFL game and simply talk about football. After the games off is when most of us work on real world problems.

The easy answer is that you pay the protest no mind and just watch the sport. I can't remember a time this season when I paid any attention to the protests before or during a game. The only time I paid any attention to it was when people complained during the week. You have total control over what sort of mind you pay it.

 

[RamFan503]

Meh, I don't care if he kneels or sits, he'll be more rested when the whistle blows then.

The government pays the NFL to shove all the "patriotic" crap in everyone's face to boost recruitment numbers. I don't need a freedom boner every Sunday, just play some freaking football.

Yeah but you're nuts so.....

 

[Dieter the Brock]

so now we just have to pray Khalil Mack kneels for the flag in 2018

 

[OldSchool]

The easy answer is that you pay the protest no mind and just watch the sport. I can't remember a time this season when I paid any attention to the protests before or during a game. The only time I paid any attention to it was when people complained during the week. You have total control over what sort of mind you pay it.

Most all of it happens before the broadcast even begins. It is easy to ignore it, here, on the radio and on the broadcast. It’s so over dramatized and talked about it’s sad. Some media outlets talk more about it than the game which is a shame.

 

[Mackeyser]

While I agree with you on any display that disrespects the flag, technically that big banner unfurled at NFL games is not a flag as it is one sided. It may be a bit of a technicality but it isn’t officially a flag.

I disagree with you on the kneeling issue. I PERSONALLY feel it is a misguided gesture utilizing an inappropriate vehicle. And the fact that it harms the product you are hired and paid to produce, it is doubly inappropriate.

I hear ya. It’s a flag in that we are asked while in attendance to show it the respect our flag deserves. We are asked to stand and remove our covers...err...hats. And the only time such a display with multiple handlers and holding it flat is acceptable is to place or remove the flag from a coffin.

So they’ve turned the single most solemn moment of how our flag is to be displayed into...something cynical and commercial.

Yet another part of it I don’t like.

Personally, I’m okay with protest. This nation was born from a tax protest and no society ever changed because “it was the right thing to do”.

But that’s okay. It’s cool to disagree.

Personally, I just don’t like the hypocrisy that shows up in some comments. Drunk driving killers, woman beaters, drug addicts and mentally-ill people are par for the course and don’t move the needle, but a protest that says, “hey don’t just kill people of color for no reason” and some folks lose their minds?

I remember having a conversation with someone right before the Rodney King incident and they refused to believe cops would ever do those kinds of things. After seeing the footage...well it shocked them. It didn’t shock any people of color or folks who grew up in poor neighborhoods because it just didn’t.

I totally understand when people want sports to be escapist. I truly get that. In many respects, I do, too.

But I can’t wrap my head around the take which says “I’m okay celebrating the desecration of the flag, but don’t even make a slight gesture to protest the wanton killing of people in your community. It’s against my principles. ESPECIALLY because it’s happening during the desecration of the flag that I want to celebrate!”

I don’t get that.

Then again, this isn’t the first time I don’t people and certainly won’t be the last...

But we got Peters and I’m looking forward to an amazing season!

(So as not to kill this thread, anyone can dm me if they need to give it to me with both barrels)

Be well all.