Is Goff, Elite?

[Loyal]

Agreed. I am curious if we buy into Goff so much that when it comes to his contract extension we want to pay him "elite" and make him the highest paid QB or similar. Is he "the cream of the crop"? Or is he just really good?

We are about to find out.

 

[MrRiceGuyRJ]

have you seen all the top paid qbs? "the cream of the crop" has nothing to do with it.
once teams have a qb that can compete at this level they don't want to let him go.

I think that's part of why I bring it up. Teams go bankrupt for a player that isn't necessarily the primary reason they're winning. I'm not saying Goff isn't the reason we're winning. He's obviously a major factor. But there's been a ton of debate on here on if the success is "the system", "the running game" or the "elite qb", etc.

 

[kurtfaulk]

I think that's part of why I bring it up. Teams go bankrupt for a player that isn't necessarily the primary reason they're winning. I'm not saying Goff isn't the reason we're winning. He's obviously a major factor. But there's been a ton of debate on here on if the success is "the system", "the running game" or the "elite qb", etc.

which team wins without a competent qb?

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[Loyal]

Oh great, the numbers guy, is also picky about punctuation!"

 

[LesBaker]

We waited two years for Sam Bradford to get healthy, but please, continue with your conjecture. There's also the fact that Luck didn't miss two years. He missed one season. So your conjecture isn't even accurate. Yes, I have no doubt that the Rams wouldn't move on from Goff if he got injured and missed a season (unless we luckily stumbled onto an even better QB).



This is all quite wrong. Marlon Mack has performed quite well this year when healthy. And when he has missed games, Jordan Wilkins has run the ball extremely effectively. Nyheim Hines has also given them a nice scat back option out of the backfield. Wilkins and Mack have over 1000 rushing yards combined, 9 TDs, and are averaging over 5 yards per carry.

As for their passing game targets, I hope you're not calling T.Y. Hilton "a really good slot receiver." He's one of the best WRs in the NFL and plays all over the formation. Further, Eric Ebron is having a very nice year at TE. I'll laugh at your contention that he was unproductive before he got to Indy. His per 16 game numbers over his previous three years in Detroit were 60 catches for 678 yards, and 4 TDs. The only major difference between Ebron this year and Ebron in Detroit has been TD production. The guy has always been a gifted receiving TE. He was a top 10 pick for a reason. The Colts have found a way to turn that talent into a major red-zone threat. Kudos to them and Luck on that one.

You're also conveniently overlooking how great that Indianapolis OL has been this year. It has been arguably the best pass blocking OL in the NFL.



Speaking of Robert Woods, funny how you mention Ebron before he got to Luck but don't mention that Woods' career didn't take off until he was catching passes from Goff.

But yeah, I'm an unrealistic homer because I know the Colts well and watch Luck play. Goff has a better passer rating than Luck and a vastly superior YPA. Luck has more passing TDs because they choose to have him throw for TDs in the red-zone instead of handing the ball off to the HBs. Fact is that the Rams offense has scored 50 TDs, while the Colts offense has only scored 48 TDs. McVay simply opts to hand the ball to Gurley rather than pad Goff's stats.

And then there's the fact that our offense is vastly superior in points scored, total yardage, and yards per play. But I'm sure you'll credit Luck for his offense's success while refusing to give Goff credit for ours. It's disappointing to see a Rams fan fall prey to the same garbage that the media does. Every QB is given the credit for their offense's success, except Jared Goff. That's despite the fact that Goff certainly isn't playing the game manager role in this offense. He's #4 in the NFL in passing yards.



That's not really true. Even the elite QBs struggle when their OL isn't holding up. Goff was posting elite numbers even with the OL not being as good as most thought it was. But like any other pocket passer, when the OL is getting him hit on damn near every play, he's going to struggle.

Regardless, I'm not going to pee my pants over a bad three-game stretch. I don't care what the cherry-picked numbers say. Goff was playing at a MVP level prior to that bad stretch of games. He bounced back against Arizona. If he finishes strong against SF, we'll be just fine. Young QBs have stretches where they struggle. Goff is still years away from his prime. He's going to have bumps in the road.

When your team turns from 4-12 to the playoffs. You’re an elite quarterback.

This is why I wouldn't call Saul, I'd call @jrry32

When things get hairy, better call jrry.

 

[Loyal]

which team wins without a competent qb?

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2011 Denver Broncos with Tim Tebow (sorry. I had to do it! lol)

 

[MrRiceGuyRJ]

which team wins without a competent qb?

I'd like to think nearly every team in the NFL has a "competent" QB. Obviously some are better than others.

But we've seen QB's play rise and drop based on their coaches, players around them, etc. Think of Matt Ryan before and after Kyle Shanahan; nearly every QB that's played for Belichick, even in Tom Bradys absence; even our beloved Jared Goff before and after Jeff Fisher. Is it the players? Is it the system? :blah: I'm not saying it's one way or another for us.

I personally don't expect Goff to be Peyton Manning that without a doubt is carrying the team on his back (minus final season of course). To me, that's "Elite"... which for some reason everyone wants to label a single "competent" season or two as being

From a team standpoint, I'd much rather be in a Belichick/Brady situation where McVay elevates Goff, and if Goff ever goes down, we continue to compete regardless of who's at the helm. That way we can watch the team light it up over time versus until one players contract is due. :yess:

 

[OregonRamsFan]

Just so everyone knows this is what Drew Brees last 3 games look like.

531 yards 2 TDs 3 INTs 77.2 QB rating

Let’s face it: Drew Brees sucks. Clearly HE’S not elite based on those numbers. Goff is obviously no better. Can we please get Tony Banks back out of retirement!?

 

[Ramlock]

which for some reason everyone wants to label a single "competent" season or two as being

5th in TD
4th in yards
3rd YPA

Much better than “competent”.

 

[kurtfaulk]

5th in TD
4th in yards
3rd YPA

Much better than “competent”.

But he had a bad game against the bears and an average one against the eagles. That must mean he's not good anymore.

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[RamFan503]

At 24 it may be a little early to put tags on Goff. He looks like he has all the tools to be elite and flashes it in a lot of games. But he makes mistakes and has stinker games a lot of QBs make - even the great ones.

I wouldn’t trade him for any QB in the league right now - even Mahomes - who I think has some VERY rare skills.

 

[Corbin]

Nick Foles: 1

Goff's Trophy??

Jared Goff: 0

You tell me which one is elite.:fuelfire:

 

[IE Rams]

which team wins without a competent qb?

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Which team wins without a competent center?

 

[Ramzheart]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...r-than-joe-montana-so-lets-fix-passer-rating/

While were disputing eliteness, I found this article interesting. Didnt want to start a new thread so I thought this was the best spot.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

No, Goff is not elite. He still has time to become elite though. It doesn’t usually happen in a year or two.

 

[Corbin]

Who is that?


Ps It would be nice for the guys who think Goff is elite to do so when he has done something legit. In my eyes a Super Bowl

 

[jrry32]

Who is that?


Ps It would be nice for the guys who think Goff is elite to do so when he has done something legit. In my eyes a Super Bowl

Well, he's one of only three QBs in NFL history with a 4000+ yard, 30+ TD, 100+ Passer Rating season before 25 years old (others are Dan Marino and Patrick Mahomes). Plus, the Rams are 24-7 in the last two years in Goff's starts. I'd call that pretty damn legit.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Who is that?


Ps It would be nice for the guys who think Goff is elite to do so when he has done something legit. In my eyes a Super Bowl

Team sport.

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[badnews]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...r-than-joe-montana-so-lets-fix-passer-rating/

While were disputing eliteness, I found this article interesting. Didnt want to start a new thread so I thought this was the best spot.

Good read!