How Do You Like Dan Campbell Now?

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I am only calling him stupid because I hate the fricken 49ers

Otherwise I wouldn't care one bit

Feel bad for Goff but don't really care about the Lions after the illegal hits they did.
I'm not defending Campbell, as he made stupid decisions in that game. Just pointing out that the takes on this guy have been wildly overdone in each direction since his hiring. And they're still that way now.
 

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He's not a dumbass. But he was "being" a dumbass in that 2nd half.

Replace 'dumbass' with 'bitch' and I swear I've used this same defense with my wife. She is not a bitch btw, but she can be one sometimes (generally a byproduct of my being a dumbass).

Shit, I've changed my own mind about Dan Campbell after trying to pen down some comedic satire. He's not a dumbass. His players weren't executing. Dan Campbell was simply being a bitch. His players were being dumbasses.
Yeah, I’d disagree with that, too.

Plenty of analytical support for what he did.

It isn’t shooting from the hip or being run by emotion.. it’s a philosophy/approach.

Solid processes don’t always equal great results.
 

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As much as I hate to say it Cambell got beat by a better coach. I wonder if Cambell will make the same decisions he made if he finds himself in similar situations if they make the playoffs next season?
 

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People calling Campbell a dumbass are just basically calling him a dumbass for making those two dumbass calls to go for it.

It shouldn’t be taken that they think the guy is a moron. He’s an NFL head coach. We all know that he knows football. But a lot of the time, after big mistakes or huge successes fans have emotional takes and aren’t careful about exactly how they say things.

I don’t think Dan ‘kneecaps’ Campbell is stupid. But those two calls were stupid, and at the time when he made those calls, he certainly seemed like a dumbass. So, for the time being I reserve the right to call him a dumbass.
 

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Still think he has done a very good job turning that team around and instilling toughness.

I probably would have gone for the 3 points before the half, but who am I to second guess. The ramifications of a missed field goal or missed 4th down conversion at that point are pretty much the same. So are the effects of a make of either one.

That leads me to agree that execution was the difference in the second half. The Lions had several miscues while the Niners managed to execute well enough on defense and offense to build momentum and score 27 points that were unanswered until the very end of the game.

Niners possess the mental toughness that comes with experience in big games. Lions aren't there yet.
 

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It's not like McVay hasn't made his share of mind numbing calls. All coaches do. But Campbell must learn from the experience. There is a time to be bold and a time to be prudent. He's been far too cavalier IMO when he simply should have forced the opponent to continue to chase him. If he learns from it great. If not then and only then will he deserve the criticism.
 

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Campbell changed the mentality of the losing forever Lions team. I give him a lot of credit.

I thought he should take the points to tie the game. I'm trying to find the play-by-play as my memory isn't what it used to be. I think the run with St Brown was a bad setup call. Overall, there were a lot of plays that went against the Lions and for the Whiners. The catch at the 5-yard line after hitting the Lions defender in the facemask. The "Fumble" OUCH! Missed INT. Dropped passes. Goff missing the TD throw,

It's hard to bag on the guy as he stayed with his previous game philosophy.
 

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LIONS HEAD COACH DAN CAMPBELL QUOTE SHEET

January 29, 2024

Opening Statement: “Look, it’s hard to lose that way, but I’m proud of those guys in there, proud of the staff. And we did some really good things this year and, ultimately, we improved, which is the name of the game. I think, unfortunately, you’ve got to live that to really understand why you’re in this business and that’s what it’s for, playoffs, NFC Championship game, Super Bowl. And now your eyes are open. And our guys’ eyes are open and this should be the ultimate motivation to push forward and it will be for us, it will be. So, we’ll learn and move on.”

On what needs to happen in order for the team to get back to this level next season: “I think it’s everything. I think it’s players and coaches. I think it’s – you’ve got to continue to get better, create more competition on the roster and then in the coaches too. It’s got to be – you’ve got to make sure that you have the right staff and that they all work well together. And that’s it’s a high-level staff with high-level players. That’s important and it’s just – it’s one thing to – you learn a lot about players when you’re 0-10, which I talked about, you also learn a lot when you’re in an NFC Championship game and everything’s – the stakes are a lot higher, and you get in those types of games and we all learn.”

On his plan to replace Lions Offensive Coordinator Ben Johnson if he receives a head coaching opportunity: “Yeah, if it comes to that, that’s, obviously, very important. I mean, he was a critical piece for us. He’s a critical piece. And I’m not worrying about that just yet. I need to at least get two hours of sleep and then I’ll begin. But I’m not going to rush, I can promise you that. I’m not in some mad rush. I’m going to make sure it’s right.”

On if his phrase ‘built for this’ is an ideology that can be reused for seasons to come or if it will take some rebuilding to get to this point again: “Yeah, I think the whole point was to create a core that had certain standards. Obviously, they’ve got to be good players and we have that. But they’ve got to be a certain way and there’s got to be a certain mindset and a certain identity, and we have that with our core. And we’ve got to add pieces that are like-minded. We’ve got to add more talent, more competition that thinks the same way that group of guys in that locker room does. And it’s non-negotiable if it’s not. There’s no level of talent that is worth bringing something that doesn’t fit what we’re about in there. And so, that’s very important. But as far as – look, we’ll talk about that when it gets – we’ve got to start all over. Yeah, we have the foundation, there’s things that we won’t have to start all the way from scratch, but man there’s got to be that hunger, there’s got to be that work, there’s got to be that attention to detail, there’s got to be that urgency. And in that regard, you’re starting all over again. And if you don’t and you think you’re just going to walk out there because you went to the NFC Championship game, you’ve got another thing coming. Alright, that’s how you become average in a hurry. And they’ll know that, they understand that and as we get to next year, that’ll be the message. But that’s really it.”

On what he thinks the team learned from their first appearance in the NFC Championship: “I think it, there again, it was – this is what you hear about all the time with catastrophes. It doesn’t take one or two, it takes 12 things to go wrong and we did all 12 of those wrong in all three phases. And ultimately, where we’ve been so good when one area is not – is struggling a little bit, the other two pick them up. We’ve been really good about that and that was the game, the second half, where all three phases just – we were not good. And we continued to make mistake, after mistake, after mistake in all three phases and when that happens, that’s where a game like that against a very good opponent – their guys showed up, man. (49ers QB Brock) Purdy showed up in critical (moments). (49ers RB Christian) McCaffrey, (49ers TE George) Kittle, (49ers WR) Deebo (Samuel), (49ers WR Brandon) Aiyuk, (49ers DL Nick) Bosa. I mean, (49ers LB Fred) Warner. They – and so, I think, if anything, it’s just a reminder, until you’re in there, you understand this is the most critical play of the game. And it’s play four of the game, or it’s play 30 of the game. This is the most important. And so, I just think you have to be in that moment, you have to be on the road, that environment and you’ve got to find a way to dig yourself out, which we’ve done a really good job of.”

On what he can take from the experiences of playing and coaching under coaches who sustained successful teams for multiple seasons: “Yeah, consistency. You’ve got to stay consistent, which we’ve done for three years now. Stay true to what you believe in. When it comes time to start over, you start over. And it’s all about, like what I said, the hard work, the detail. We’ve got to be physical. That’s part of who we are, but if you start to deviate off of what you’ve been – and I think the other thing you’ve got to be careful, you fall in a trap with, the more success you have with these players, the more attached you get. And you’ve got to be careful you don’t get blinded and that’s hard, that’s hard to do. You’ve got to see it for what it is, step back and make sure the player is producing and is capable of producing at a high level and take your emotions out of it.”

On what he will remember most about this team: “I think what we talk about all the time, just how resilient they were. Their ability to overcome, to go into a harsh environment and win big games and not get panicked. And just to see where they really came as a group, man, as a team. And to watch them lean on each other and how strong that bond they’ve got in there, which is important, man. Even in professional sports, it’s still – that’s a deal, that’s a real thing. And the teams that can find that, they’re usually going to have something special and that’s what we’ve got in that locker room. It is a special group.”

On what it means for him to have the team’s trust: “Oh, it means everything, it means everything. Because in this line of work, when you stand in front of those men and you’re selling them on what you really believe, I know that’s not the easiest thing to do. And especially with where we came from, stepping in here, there’s a number of players that didn’t have success, had not known success, and it’s the next coach telling us, ‘This, this and this,’ and, ‘Why should we believe in that?’ And the fact that a number of these players that were already here, to watch them buy-in and trust it and believe in the process and then us to have success, that’s special. That’s something you don’t forget. For the (Lions T Taylor Decker) Deckers and (Lions C Frank Ragnow) Ragnows and – because you want success for those guys that are willing to put in the work another time and to give it its due, is special.”

On if there is anything he would change about his decision to run the ball on third down and have to take a timeout: “Yeah, look the easy thing to do is to throw it. Probably should’ve been the right thing, but for me, I wanted to run it. I thought we would just pop it. We had just – two-minute all the way down the field, throwing the football and they were in a four-down front and I believed we’d walk right in. And we just missed a block, so then yeah, I’ve got to use a timeout. So, hindsight, throw it four times, but I believed in that moment it was going to be a walk-and-run. And it didn’t work out. So, I gambled and lost.”

On Lions LB Derrick Barnes’s injury update: “Yeah, I really have nothing new on him. So, I don’t have an answer right now.”
 

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Yeah, I’d disagree with that, too.

Plenty of analytical support for what he did.

It isn’t shooting from the hip or being run by emotion.. it’s a philosophy/approach.

Solid processes don’t always equal great results.
Agreed. The reality of analytics is you're dealing with probabilities. I might have a 50% chance of getting a first down on 4th and 4 from the 40 yard line and a 35% chance of my kicker hitting the 58 yard FG. But it's very much within the realm of possibilities that I go for it, fail to convert, and then my kicker hits a 58 yard FG later in the game. Does that make it the wrong call? Statistically, no. But practically, who knows.
 

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do you think he has an understanding of probabilities? the cowboy game exposed his rocks for brains. good luck to him striking gold on another competent OC and riding his coattails.
 

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As much as I hate to say it Cambell got beat by a better coach. I wonder if Cambell will make the same decisions he made if he finds himself in similar situations if they make the playoffs next season?
Lack of playoff and big game experience is what shot down the lions. They have a lot of young players that haven't been in the playoffs yet. They wilted under pressure and made mistakes. The whiners have a lot of players that have been there before.
 

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I never did like Dan Gamble. After his cheap shot kneecaps team took out Higbeast and tried to behead Stafford, I liked even even less.
 

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Lack of playoff and big game experience is what shot down the lions. They have a lot of young players that haven't been in the playoffs yet. They wilted under pressure and made mistakes. The whiners have a lot of players that have been there before.

I have to respectfully disagree.

If the Lions answer the whiners 3rd quarter FG with a FG, the lead is back to 17 (3 scores) with 7 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.

They went for it on 4th and 2 or 3 and failed.

Right after that, Purdy threw a pass that should have been picked but instead it bounces up in the air and aiyuk grabs it for a 40+ yard gain. They score right after and the ensuing possession, Gibbs fumbles.

They kick and make that FG and I think the Lions win the game.

I don't fault Campbell for aggression, but there are times when you need to read the situation and a FG was the correct decision at the time, especially when the whiner's kicker is shaky.
 

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I have to respectfully disagree.

If the Lions answer the whiners 3rd quarter FG with a FG, the lead is back to 17 (3 scores) with 7 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.

They went for it on 4th and 2 or 3 and failed.

Right after that, Purdy threw a pass that should have been picked but instead it bounces up in the air and aiyuk grabs it for a 40+ yard gain. They score right after and the ensuing possession, Gibbs fumbles.

They kick and make that FG and I think the Lions win the game.

I don't fault Campbell for aggression, but there are times when you need to read the situation and a FG was the correct decision at the time, especially when the whiner's kicker is shaky.
Badgley was shaky at that distance.
Les’s than 50% in his career.
They had converted 75% of 4th downs at that distance.
 

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You know what I love about this thread?

We all LOVE the RAMS and HATE the WHINERS.

GO RAMS!!!
 

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The Lions kickers had only attempted five FGs from beyond 40 yards all season. By comparison, the Rams, who had the least reliable kicking game in football, attempted 25 from beyond 40.

Dan Campbell hates settling for three.

The analytics crowd is almost always in favour of going for it on fourth in the opponents territory. That's not new. For all their trepidation about attempting a FG and missing it, there are at least as many variables that could prevent a successful fourth down conversion.

The Lions strategy was turned on itself in pretty much the most devastating manner possible. The two failed fourth down conversions were followed by TD drives by the other team. Worst case scenario. The Lions had 21 failed fourth down conversion attempts this season, far more than the two FG tries they missed all year. The important thing, though, is that analytics support it.
 

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do you think he has an understanding of probabilities? the cowboy game exposed his rocks for brains. good luck to him striking gold on another competent OC and riding his coattails.
Not to mention getting Goff in the trade and all of those high drsft picks. It seems like the Lions have had multiple first-round picks for 3 years now. Let's see how they do now that they are drafting like everyone else.
 

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I'd have no problem playing for a coach that has the confidence in me to try and finish off an opponent as opposed to settling for far from "gimme" field goal attempts.

That said, if Detroit had a proven, reliable, long range place kicker then certainly you take the points.
 

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I'd have no problem playing for a coach that has the confidence in me to try and finish off an opponent as opposed to settling for far from "gimme" field goal attempts.

That said, if Detroit had a proven, reliable, long range place kicker then certainly you take the points.
Yeah, I am on-the-fence with regard to Campbell's decisions to go for it on the two fourth downs.
It was consistent with Dan Campbell's coaching the past three seasons but those FGAs made sense.

Regarding your final point (excellent point), Badgley does not have great stats for long-range FGs (these would have been attempts from about 48 and 45 yards) but he did hurt our Rams two weeks ago when he drilled a 54-yard-attempt.

I remember feeling pretty good when he went out there to attempt that kick but, as I recall, it was down-the-middle and would have been good from 64 yards.
 

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I know Campbell didn't want to be the guy who changed what got them there. But the old saying, Live By The Sword....