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When you have to write that much to give context to something that's supposedly so concrete it's a "gene," it kind of undermines your point.
Talent isn't enough at this level. That's especially true for QBs. Leaf and Manziel were losers. There's a reason both flamed out quickly. If they were guys who could have won on good franchises, good franchises would taken a shot on them.
Elway was a loser in college. He was a winner in the NFL. Why didn't he have the "winner-gene" in college?
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Leaf and Manziel both went to prenially losing franchises in the pros...didn't help that they had substance issues as well. Winning players, lose in the pros...it happens...especially if they are in bad situations...Johnny was in Cleveland...Leaf was in San Diego....
John Elway.....lets leave his freshman year out....
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/stanford/1980-schedule.html
His 2nd year, 6-5....lost to UCLA & SC..of course....but, he did rise up and smack Oklahoma down....They were #4 in the nation...this isn't todays Stanford either...
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/stanford/1981-schedule.html
3rd year...offense is rolling...maybe scoring 30 a game...They played 5 or 6 ranked teams...big win v UCLA. But they were a 4-7 team....nope not winning...but schedule was tough...and that offense.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/stanford/1982-schedule.html
4th year...Elway's a senior...Still averaging 30 a game....finish 5-6....
But
BUT
They beat #14 Ohio State at Columbus....and #2 Washington....
Losing in college...yeah, out manned...But you saw the winning...as he would will an underdog team to battle much better opponents. John Elway was a winner...Winning gene...you can't describe it in words....but I tried...you CAN see it however...I'd say Winston, Cam, Watson, and Wentz have it. Obviously Brady has IT....
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I wonder who the hell his HS played? What level? Was his daddy his coach? Just curious...we might be getting somewhere....Took a crap Cal program WHERE? There was a time Cal was good...recently too...Behind some RB's....One was Marshawn Lynch...another was Javid Best....they either beat LSU or came damn close....
I already posted the other guys record in any tough game in college....We are watching what he has done in the pros.
Almost sounds like you should ignore my posts...Not trying to be harsh....I could be harsher...And I don't think that would be best for us...
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It seems to me like you've already made up your mind about Goff, and are now trying to justify that take by any means necessary, including using revisionist history. Don't bother telling me to stop reading your posts, way ahead of ya. At least on this topic...
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Champ, I'm not looking to get into a 3-page back and forth with you. You seem to like those. I'm sure you have a better grasp of the College game than I do. My point is just this: Why are you so critical, and cynical of Jared Goff, and such a fan boy of Wentz? Wentz has thrown nearly twice as many passes as Goff, by the way, and has around 100 yds. more.
Jared has a better passer rating, fumbles much less (true), better yds per pass. I like Wentz. I was actually hoping we would draft him. But then we didn't. So then I stopped hoping we would draft him. See how that works?
I got on board with Goff. Became impressed with his accuracy, feel for the game, cool under pressure, ability to adjust. Character. He IS a winner. Check back in a few weeks, Champ. If he is doing well, and Wentz is floundering, will you be climbing off Wentz' jock?
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Ugh... stats dumb. Sports arguments can go on forever when we want them to, and lead nowhere and change no opnions.
I found it interesting that after Goff threw that pick and the Rams lost, when I was watching the later GB-ATL game, Rodgers was having a bad game and looking distraught. So yeah, I'm not judging on 1 game or 8 games. I'll look at the bigger sample size. Hoyer btw has sucked for years.
I found it interesting that after Goff threw that pick and the Rams lost, when I was watching the later GB-ATL game, Rodgers was having a bad game and looking distraught. So yeah, I'm not judging on 1 game or 8 games. I'll look at the bigger sample size. Hoyer btw has sucked for years.
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It's funny....I hadn't made up my mind on if he'd be decent...forming it game by game.
Franchise QB...#1 overall pick type QB....now...that's what I have made up my mind about. I'm just hoping he can be decent. Not win a game by himself, but please don't lose the game with turnovers.
Critical...cynical....All I'm doing is pointing out some facts...
Like....if there is still a question about Wentz or Goff...you haven't really watched them play. Wentz just beat this same Washington team.
Fumbles much less? Really? Same amount of games? Fumbles lost, or just fumbles....What does the number of passes have to do with it? Are you saying he's more reckless? Less accurate? Yards per attempts not to your liking?
Curious....who has better weapons around them? I'd say he has a better line, but I don't really believe that anymore...they seem equal....Their RT is like our LT...everything else is equal...IMO
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https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/9/21/16343152/jared-goff-los-angeles-rams-sean-mcvay
Don’t Look Now, but Jared Goff Is Starting to Figure It Out
The Rams QB had a disastrous rookie season, with many labeling him as a bust. Yet under the direction of Sean McVay’s staff, the no. 1 pick is showing signs of life—and giving L.A. a chance to compete.
BY ROBERT MAYS
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For Trent Dilfer, the day the Rams hired Sean McVay as their head coach was cause for celebration. “I was thrilled to death,” the 14-year NFL veteran and former ESPN analyst says. That’s because Dilfer has known Los Angeles quarterback Jared Goff since 2012, when he was a high school passer invited to the Nike Elite 11 camp that Dilfer has run for the past seven years.
As someone deeply invested in Goff’s football success, Dilfer viewed the chance for one of his pupils to work with the former Washington offensive coordinator as the best news imaginable. “[I told Jared,] ‘You do everything they ask you to do and more because you’re one of the lucky ones,’” Dilfer says. “You turned a shit sandwich into an ice cream cone just by who’s coaching you.”
The Rams traded nearly an entire year’s worth of draft capital to move up 14 spots and take Goff with the no. 1 overall pick in 2016. The former Cal standout spent the first nine games of his career backing up journeyman Case Keenum, but was thrust into action after Los Angeles opened last season 4-5, scored 10 points or fewer in five separate outings, and ran down the clock on Jeff Fisher’s head coaching tenure.
Then Goff’s debut proved disastrous. Since 2000, only 11 quarterbacks have finished a season with at least 200 attempts and a lower amount of yards per attempt than Goff’s 5.31. The Rams lost all seven games in which he started, being outscored 221-85. Fisher was fired in December, and many wrote Goff off as a lost cause.
The most important challenge McVay and his offensive staff (a group that includes coordinator Matt LaFleur and quarterbacks coach Greg Olson) faced upon arriving in L.A. was fixing the player whom the franchise had spent a fortune to acquire. Through two games, tiny slivers of hope have begun to emerge.
During the Rams’ 1-1 start, Goff has completed two-thirds of his passes and averaged 9.8 yards per attempt. He’s thrown for 530 yards with two touchdowns and one interception. Most encouraging, the Rams have 12 recorded completions of 20-plus yards—second to only the Patriots—equaling their total from Goff’s seven starts last season.
A sample size of two games and the putrid Colts defense that the Rams picked apart in Week 1 should justifiably temper expectations, but there’s no mistaking that this year’s version of Goff has been a competent NFL quarterback.
His concerning rookie habits have occasionally surfaced, yet he’s also shown flashes of increased comfort and command. Dilfer’s optimism was warranted: McVay’s presence has given Goff—and by extension, the Rams—a chance to compete.
In preparing for a new job and a fresh collection of players, coaches have no way to know what they’re inheriting. They scour days’ worth of game film, but that alone isn’t enough. The process is akin to a scrolling through a slideshow on Zillow: The layout of the house is clear, but it’s impossible to tell whether the foundation is cracked without taking a look inside.
When McVay and Olson began working with Goff this spring, their first priority was restoring the confidence of the 22-year-old former college star. ‘We said, ‘Let’s build trust with him,’” Olson says. “That’s difficult to do in a short amount of time, but that’s one of the first things we said we wanted to establish with him. ‘What we’re telling you, what we’re trying to teach you, is solely intended to just get you better.’”
The Rams staff found that Goff was a quarterback with bad habits but not a broken psyche. According to Dilfer, it was a blessing that Goff started only seven games behind the 2016 team’s Swiss cheese offensive line; it put a cap on the long-term damage that the quarterback could incur. “We’ll use an analogy here—all he got were rub burns,” Dilfer says. “He didn’t get any gashes that are going to develop massive scar tissue.”
In this case, scars would have amounted to mental blemishes rather than physical ones. Olson says that many young quarterbacks who are exposed to poor protection for extended periods start to stare down the pass rush. They hear footsteps and see ghosts. Despite Goff playing behind a group that allowed the second-most sacks in the NFL (49) last fall, Olson says that “we didn’t feel like that was something we were concerned about.”
More than a redemption project, Olson saw Goff as a blank slate with excess natural throwing ability. “We just felt like, gosh, we could clean up his footwork,” Olson says. “We could clean up the timing and how he’s getting the ball out. We really just started from the ground up, how you would with most quarterbacks.”
In teaching Goff superior mechanics, the Rams staff made footwork the first and most crucial element. As a rookie, Goff displayed bad tendencies that were often exacerbated by his team’s subpar production. In McVay’s system, even adequate footwork isn’t enough to make the unit thrive.
The West Coast offense is built on timing and anticipation. That may seem like it places the biggest onus on a quarterback’s eyes and mind, but equally important are his toes. The rhythms of Goff’s drop inform his progression, thereby facilitating everything else. “We wanted him to understand that there is a timing mechanism,” Olson says. “And a lot of what we do is predicated on him getting the ball out on time.”
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In L.A.’s first two games, that smooth, on-time delivery was apparent on multiple occasions (like on the above throw to rookie tight end Gerald Everett). And if Goff can regularly tie his mechanical improvements to the constructs of McVay’s scheme, every offensive group will benefit.
The line won’t be required to hold for as long; the receivers will be able to trust when and where they’ll get the ball. If everything works in concert, Goff’s development will unlock the entire offense around him.
Dilfer saw myriad issues with former Rams offensive coordinator Rob Boras’s scheme last season, but the most glaring was a lack of what Dilfer calls “gimme plays.” Completion percentages and quarterback efficiency rates across the league are at all-time highs in part because of the uptick in short, simple throws built into offenses. “[The quarterback] doesn’t have to read a defense,” Dilfer says. “They don’t have to handle anything complex. They just play catch. And that’s not a criticism. It’s great! You need that.”
Those throws were largely missing from Goff’s repertoire as a rookie. This year, he’s already had plenty incorporated into the playbook.
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As a play designer, McVay does his best to present quarterbacks with easy throws by exploiting the alignment of receivers and playing their routes off one another. Through two games this fall, the Rams have consistently used formations that feature two wideouts bunched to the same side of the field.
This was a staple of both McVay’s offense in Washington and the system that LaFleur helped lead as the former quarterbacks coach in Atlanta. The tight spacing allows the receivers to create instant separation at the line of scrimmage, easing Goff’s burden as both a decision-maker and a passer.
If Goff identifies the opposing defense’s coverage—either before the snap or early in the down—he can take advantage of quick, ready-made throws that are part of the fabric of McVay’s approach. But sometimes Goff still looks like a quarterback with nine games of NFL starting experience.
By misreading a defense or not fully trusting the system, he can sabotage plays that should otherwise stand a chance. His crushing late-game pick in a 27-20 loss to Washington in Week 2 represented the worst-case scenario, but there are subtler examples of Goff struggling to acclimate, too. When he fails to use proper footwork to time his release of the ball, plays around him can start to collapse.
The Rams have tried to further streamline Goff’s thinking with a heavy dose of play action. According to Pro Football Focus, Goff used play action on just 14.1 percent of his dropbacks as a rookie—the second-lowest rate in the NFL—yet improved his passer rating by more than 21 points when using a play fake.
Washington used play action at about a league average rate under McVay, while LaFleur comes from a Kyle Shanahan scheme that used it on a league-high 27 percent of dropbacks in the team’s run to the Super Bowl.
Through two weeks, the Rams have leaned on play-action throws as the centerpiece of their passing game, and they’ve provided Goff with the cleanest throws he’s had as a pro. His conviction when making them is the best indicator to date that he’s gaining the confidence that Olson imagined, and the offense’s commitment to play action has been made more effective by L.A.’s bevy of offseason reinforcements.
General manager Les Snead signed left tackle Andrew Whitworth and center John Sullivan to shore up the line and added Robert Woods, Cooper Kupp, and Sammy Watkins to revamp his roster’s receiving corps. Then there’s Everett, the tight end out of South Alabama who’s already showcased his skills as a deep threat.
“You’ve got to be able to present five different eligible options for the defense to defend in the passing game,” Dilfer says of NFL offenses. “Sean does a great job, like he did in Washington, of creating pass plays where you have four or five [options].”
The most important change among Goff’s supporting cast, though, might be the revitalization of the guy behind him in the backfield. The Rams finished dead last in Football Outsiders’ rushing DVOA in 2016; after two games in 2017, running back Todd Gurley has shown some of the juice that made him a revelation as a rookie.
Gurley couldn’t get much going on the ground in a season-opening win over the Colts, but McVay still made a point of getting him the ball in a variety of ways. Gurley already has eight catches this fall after tallying 43 in all of 2016.
Like a struggling 3-point basketball shooter who finds his stroke after hitting a free throw, a toiling back can get going after notching a touch in the open field. Following Gurley’s 136-total-yard performance in last Sunday’s loss to Washington, the Rams’ hope is that he’s found his stride and will be able to give Goff a number of easy looks.
Entering Thursday night’s matchup against the 49ers (0-2), Goff and the Rams remain a work in progress. Yet on the heels of last season’s bleak outlook, progress should be a welcome sight. The difference between Goff’s play this season and last is proof of just how much a staff and system can mean to a young quarterback. The Rams hope that this is just the start.
“So far, he’s done a lot of good things, but he still has a long way to go,” Olson says. “And he’d be the first guy to tell you that. He’s nowhere near where we’re hoping to get to.”
Don’t Look Now, but Jared Goff Is Starting to Figure It Out
The Rams QB had a disastrous rookie season, with many labeling him as a bust. Yet under the direction of Sean McVay’s staff, the no. 1 pick is showing signs of life—and giving L.A. a chance to compete.
BY ROBERT MAYS
Getty Images/Ringer illustration
For Trent Dilfer, the day the Rams hired Sean McVay as their head coach was cause for celebration. “I was thrilled to death,” the 14-year NFL veteran and former ESPN analyst says. That’s because Dilfer has known Los Angeles quarterback Jared Goff since 2012, when he was a high school passer invited to the Nike Elite 11 camp that Dilfer has run for the past seven years.
As someone deeply invested in Goff’s football success, Dilfer viewed the chance for one of his pupils to work with the former Washington offensive coordinator as the best news imaginable. “[I told Jared,] ‘You do everything they ask you to do and more because you’re one of the lucky ones,’” Dilfer says. “You turned a shit sandwich into an ice cream cone just by who’s coaching you.”
The Rams traded nearly an entire year’s worth of draft capital to move up 14 spots and take Goff with the no. 1 overall pick in 2016. The former Cal standout spent the first nine games of his career backing up journeyman Case Keenum, but was thrust into action after Los Angeles opened last season 4-5, scored 10 points or fewer in five separate outings, and ran down the clock on Jeff Fisher’s head coaching tenure.
Then Goff’s debut proved disastrous. Since 2000, only 11 quarterbacks have finished a season with at least 200 attempts and a lower amount of yards per attempt than Goff’s 5.31. The Rams lost all seven games in which he started, being outscored 221-85. Fisher was fired in December, and many wrote Goff off as a lost cause.
The most important challenge McVay and his offensive staff (a group that includes coordinator Matt LaFleur and quarterbacks coach Greg Olson) faced upon arriving in L.A. was fixing the player whom the franchise had spent a fortune to acquire. Through two games, tiny slivers of hope have begun to emerge.
During the Rams’ 1-1 start, Goff has completed two-thirds of his passes and averaged 9.8 yards per attempt. He’s thrown for 530 yards with two touchdowns and one interception. Most encouraging, the Rams have 12 recorded completions of 20-plus yards—second to only the Patriots—equaling their total from Goff’s seven starts last season.
A sample size of two games and the putrid Colts defense that the Rams picked apart in Week 1 should justifiably temper expectations, but there’s no mistaking that this year’s version of Goff has been a competent NFL quarterback.
His concerning rookie habits have occasionally surfaced, yet he’s also shown flashes of increased comfort and command. Dilfer’s optimism was warranted: McVay’s presence has given Goff—and by extension, the Rams—a chance to compete.
In preparing for a new job and a fresh collection of players, coaches have no way to know what they’re inheriting. They scour days’ worth of game film, but that alone isn’t enough. The process is akin to a scrolling through a slideshow on Zillow: The layout of the house is clear, but it’s impossible to tell whether the foundation is cracked without taking a look inside.
When McVay and Olson began working with Goff this spring, their first priority was restoring the confidence of the 22-year-old former college star. ‘We said, ‘Let’s build trust with him,’” Olson says. “That’s difficult to do in a short amount of time, but that’s one of the first things we said we wanted to establish with him. ‘What we’re telling you, what we’re trying to teach you, is solely intended to just get you better.’”
The Rams staff found that Goff was a quarterback with bad habits but not a broken psyche. According to Dilfer, it was a blessing that Goff started only seven games behind the 2016 team’s Swiss cheese offensive line; it put a cap on the long-term damage that the quarterback could incur. “We’ll use an analogy here—all he got were rub burns,” Dilfer says. “He didn’t get any gashes that are going to develop massive scar tissue.”
In this case, scars would have amounted to mental blemishes rather than physical ones. Olson says that many young quarterbacks who are exposed to poor protection for extended periods start to stare down the pass rush. They hear footsteps and see ghosts. Despite Goff playing behind a group that allowed the second-most sacks in the NFL (49) last fall, Olson says that “we didn’t feel like that was something we were concerned about.”
More than a redemption project, Olson saw Goff as a blank slate with excess natural throwing ability. “We just felt like, gosh, we could clean up his footwork,” Olson says. “We could clean up the timing and how he’s getting the ball out. We really just started from the ground up, how you would with most quarterbacks.”
In teaching Goff superior mechanics, the Rams staff made footwork the first and most crucial element. As a rookie, Goff displayed bad tendencies that were often exacerbated by his team’s subpar production. In McVay’s system, even adequate footwork isn’t enough to make the unit thrive.
The West Coast offense is built on timing and anticipation. That may seem like it places the biggest onus on a quarterback’s eyes and mind, but equally important are his toes. The rhythms of Goff’s drop inform his progression, thereby facilitating everything else. “We wanted him to understand that there is a timing mechanism,” Olson says. “And a lot of what we do is predicated on him getting the ball out on time.”
In L.A.’s first two games, that smooth, on-time delivery was apparent on multiple occasions (like on the above throw to rookie tight end Gerald Everett). And if Goff can regularly tie his mechanical improvements to the constructs of McVay’s scheme, every offensive group will benefit.
The line won’t be required to hold for as long; the receivers will be able to trust when and where they’ll get the ball. If everything works in concert, Goff’s development will unlock the entire offense around him.
Dilfer saw myriad issues with former Rams offensive coordinator Rob Boras’s scheme last season, but the most glaring was a lack of what Dilfer calls “gimme plays.” Completion percentages and quarterback efficiency rates across the league are at all-time highs in part because of the uptick in short, simple throws built into offenses. “[The quarterback] doesn’t have to read a defense,” Dilfer says. “They don’t have to handle anything complex. They just play catch. And that’s not a criticism. It’s great! You need that.”
Those throws were largely missing from Goff’s repertoire as a rookie. This year, he’s already had plenty incorporated into the playbook.
As a play designer, McVay does his best to present quarterbacks with easy throws by exploiting the alignment of receivers and playing their routes off one another. Through two games this fall, the Rams have consistently used formations that feature two wideouts bunched to the same side of the field.
This was a staple of both McVay’s offense in Washington and the system that LaFleur helped lead as the former quarterbacks coach in Atlanta. The tight spacing allows the receivers to create instant separation at the line of scrimmage, easing Goff’s burden as both a decision-maker and a passer.
If Goff identifies the opposing defense’s coverage—either before the snap or early in the down—he can take advantage of quick, ready-made throws that are part of the fabric of McVay’s approach. But sometimes Goff still looks like a quarterback with nine games of NFL starting experience.
By misreading a defense or not fully trusting the system, he can sabotage plays that should otherwise stand a chance. His crushing late-game pick in a 27-20 loss to Washington in Week 2 represented the worst-case scenario, but there are subtler examples of Goff struggling to acclimate, too. When he fails to use proper footwork to time his release of the ball, plays around him can start to collapse.
The Rams have tried to further streamline Goff’s thinking with a heavy dose of play action. According to Pro Football Focus, Goff used play action on just 14.1 percent of his dropbacks as a rookie—the second-lowest rate in the NFL—yet improved his passer rating by more than 21 points when using a play fake.
Washington used play action at about a league average rate under McVay, while LaFleur comes from a Kyle Shanahan scheme that used it on a league-high 27 percent of dropbacks in the team’s run to the Super Bowl.
Through two weeks, the Rams have leaned on play-action throws as the centerpiece of their passing game, and they’ve provided Goff with the cleanest throws he’s had as a pro. His conviction when making them is the best indicator to date that he’s gaining the confidence that Olson imagined, and the offense’s commitment to play action has been made more effective by L.A.’s bevy of offseason reinforcements.
General manager Les Snead signed left tackle Andrew Whitworth and center John Sullivan to shore up the line and added Robert Woods, Cooper Kupp, and Sammy Watkins to revamp his roster’s receiving corps. Then there’s Everett, the tight end out of South Alabama who’s already showcased his skills as a deep threat.
“You’ve got to be able to present five different eligible options for the defense to defend in the passing game,” Dilfer says of NFL offenses. “Sean does a great job, like he did in Washington, of creating pass plays where you have four or five [options].”
The most important change among Goff’s supporting cast, though, might be the revitalization of the guy behind him in the backfield. The Rams finished dead last in Football Outsiders’ rushing DVOA in 2016; after two games in 2017, running back Todd Gurley has shown some of the juice that made him a revelation as a rookie.
Gurley couldn’t get much going on the ground in a season-opening win over the Colts, but McVay still made a point of getting him the ball in a variety of ways. Gurley already has eight catches this fall after tallying 43 in all of 2016.
Like a struggling 3-point basketball shooter who finds his stroke after hitting a free throw, a toiling back can get going after notching a touch in the open field. Following Gurley’s 136-total-yard performance in last Sunday’s loss to Washington, the Rams’ hope is that he’s found his stride and will be able to give Goff a number of easy looks.
Entering Thursday night’s matchup against the 49ers (0-2), Goff and the Rams remain a work in progress. Yet on the heels of last season’s bleak outlook, progress should be a welcome sight. The difference between Goff’s play this season and last is proof of just how much a staff and system can mean to a young quarterback. The Rams hope that this is just the start.
“So far, he’s done a lot of good things, but he still has a long way to go,” Olson says. “And he’d be the first guy to tell you that. He’s nowhere near where we’re hoping to get to.”
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Someone beat me to it that the QB doesn't play against the other QB. It's LA vs. WASH and PHI vs. WASH.
Also, yes, Wentz is more reckless with the ball. He has recovered a high number of his fumbles to date, but stand by for a bigger sample size. Wentz is a bit better scrambler, but sometimes (see: Little Wussle in Seattle) that adds to taking MORE sacks.
And Yes. Less accurate. Now, all of a sudden, you are saying any credit for Goff should go to better weapons around him?
Slick shell game, dude. Go apply for a job at CNN. You're good.
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Master at moving the goal postsSomeone beat me to it that the QB doesn't play against the other QB. It's LA vs. WASH and PHI vs. WASH.
Also, yes, Wentz is more reckless with the ball. He has recovered a high number of his fumbles to date, but stand by for a bigger sample size. Wentz is a bit better scrambler, but sometimes (see: Little Wussle in Seattle) that adds to taking MORE sacks.
And Yes. Less accurate. Now, all of a sudden, you are saying any credit for Goff should go to better weapons around him?
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No....no....I'm just saying overall production might not be as high as others....
Do you think Rodgers and Brady will throw as many TD's if their main weapons weren't around?
No no....16 game season will tell the tale....TD passes....int's....FUMBLES( can't believe you brought that into it)...Let the best QB win....
They are both 1-1....the best stat ever....how they got there, tells another story.
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5-6, didnt make a bowl game.
Amazing anecdote that gets left out.
What kept Elway from playing in a bowl game in his senior year?
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Never realized that......Wow....that was a big game....in many ways.
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Can we stop with the Brady/Rodgers comparisons? And if we are going to do that, can we acknowledge that neither of those QBs started their first season nor did they really have anything in their history that was remotely similar other than AR playing for Cal? Brady didn't start a game his rookie year. He was very erratic when he did start. Hell - he threw for a total of 134 yards against us in the Superbowl. Hell - Aaron didn't start until his 4th season. Bottom line is that it is WAY too early to judge Goff with a few games played under that abysmal excuse for an offense and now two games in as the official starter. Let's see how he progresses. There are quite a few HOF QBs that looked less than stellar in their first few games/years in the league. I'm sure plenty were thinking they would be only mediocre at best.
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hey know.....
edit....wow I hit tab enter and stuff happened
any way....yeah I did't mean it like that....just if QB1 has less weapons/targets/favorite guys than QB2, QB2 is more likely to have a better day...all other things being equal...which they are not....but I feel ya...however
We don't know what either would have done, had they played....we can go a lil on Brady....he wasn't much after Bledsloe went down...but he didn't turn the ball over...I assume he performed better cause coming from Michigan he had a pro system....he did play his 2nd year....same as Goff.
And we won't ever know if Rodgers could have played his 2nd season...
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Thank you! I've tried to point that out several times already maybe he will listen to you.