Would you trade two firsts for Cam Newton?

[Akrasian]

No. Not even one first round pick. Not a fan at all. The stats below aren't the whole story why I don't like him but they're somewhat illustrative and interesting. To me anyway.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/quarterback-rating-by-total-and-components/2014/
Quarterback Rating By Total and Components: 2014 NFL Season
Quarterback Rating is a statistic used to evaluate a Quarterbacks performance across various QB specific categories including passing yards, completion rate, passing touchdowns and interceptions all in a single number.

As detailed in the grid below, Quarterback Rating is comprised of four components - QBR (Comp), QBR (PassYards), QBR (TDs) and QBR (INT), which when combined give you the total Quarterback Rating. QBR (Comp) is a measure of completions to attempts, while QBR (Pass Yards) measures passing yards to attempts, QBR (TDs) touchdowns to attempts and QBR (INT) compares number of interceptions to attempts - each has an equal weight and can be a max of 38.58.

More about Quarterback Rating By Total and Components
A perfect Quarterback Rating is 158.3 while QBs with ratings above 100 are considered to be a sign of an excellent quarterback.

The following grid shows Quarterback Rating and its components for all QBs with over 100 passing attempts for the season.


Quarterback Rating Leaders
RankPlayerTeamQBR (Comp)QBR (PassYards)QBR (TDs)QBR (INTs)QBR
1Aaron RodgersGB30.324.12836.6119
2Tony RomoDAL32.622.323.830.1108.8
3Peyton ManningDEN30.820.324.230.3105.7
4Ben RoethlisbergerPIT30.420.61933103
5Philip RiversSD32.119.719.729.2100.6
6Tom BradyNE28.917.420.233.7100.2
7Drew BreesNO32.818.317.330.398.8
8Andrew LuckIND26.620.522.129.698.8
9Ryan FitzpatrickHOU27.820.918.528.795.9
10Carson PalmerARI27.517.716.43495.6
11Matt RyanATL29.618.916.530.595.5
12Russell WilsonSEA27.918.115.23495.2
13Joe FlaccoBAL28.318.416.73194.5
14Ryan TannehillMIA30.615.315.331.492.6
15Alex SmithKC29.41613.733.292.2
16Jay CutlerCHI30.716.617.526.991.7
17Kyle OrtonBUF28.915.713.431.289.2
18Eli ManningNYG27.416.415.928.388
19Mark SanchezPHI26.719.617.124.688
20Matthew StaffordDET26.318.212.131.187.8
21Kirk CousinsWAS26.522.416.321.286.4
22Colin KaepernickSF25.517.11329.485.1
23Austin DavisSTL27.816.914.126.485.1
24Andy DaltonCIN28.118.112.725.884.7
25Mike GlennonTB2316.616.427.383.3
26Teddy BridgewaterMIN26.616.210.828.882.4
27Cam NewtonCAR23.616.713.328.281.8
28Nick FolesPHI24.816.513.926.281.4
29Drew StantonARI20.817.29.730.978.7
30Derek CarrOAK25.411.11229.978.3
31Brian HoyerCLE21.118.88.627.876.3
32Josh McCownTB23.317.31221.373.9
33Blake BortlesJAX2614.68.82271.4
34Geno SmithNYJ23.213.39.322.268

Frequently Asked Questions
Who has the top Quarterback Rating By Total and Components in the 2014 NFL season?
Out of all the NFL players, Aaron Rodgers led them all in 2014 with a QBR of 119.

Who has the least Quarterback Rating By Total and Components in the NFL 2014 season?
Geno Smith had the worst QBR in 2014 with 68.

What was the average Quarterback Rating By Total and Components for all players in the NFL 2014 season?
The average QBR in the in the NFL 2014 season was 89.94.

Not a big fan of QBR - but by those stats Fitzgerald is #9 and he'll be a free agent and almost certainly could be signed for two years for less than Newton is owed for next season. Maybe we should have a poll on signing Fitzgerald.

 

[LACHAMP46]

No! He'd have to Truly be "Superman" for me to send two 1st round picks for him! I don't like giving up picks at any-time though. Newton is only average in My eyes!

Did you see his car after the accident? Definitely wanna check his birth certificate...
Seriously, running QB is different than a scrambling QB...some are looking to throw...Staubach was a scrambling QB, Tarkenton was a scrambler, Elway was a scrambler too....Rodgers is a scrambler, Wilson scrambles & runs a lil...buying time while scrambling like Luck is a gift...It always will be....

 

[RamsFan14]

Not a big fan of QBR - but by those stats Fitzgerald is #9 and he'll be a free agent and almost certainly could be signed for two years for less than Newton is owed for next season. Maybe we should have a poll on signing Fitzgerald.

You mean Fitzpatrick?! Lol for the record, I love the guy! I would have loved for him to be our backup to Bradford instead of Hill, but that's JMO.

 

[DaveFan'51]

Did you see his car after the accident? Definitely wanna check his birth certificate...
Seriously, running QB is different than a scrambling QB...some are looking to throw...Staubach was a scrambling QB, Tarkenton was a scrambler, Elway was a scrambler too....Rodgers is a scrambler, Wilson scrambles & runs a lil...buying time while scrambling like Luck is a gift...It always will be....

I always hated Tarkenton, for the way he made us chase him around in the back-field. But he was the Best at it!

 

[SteveBrown]

An interesting discussion popped up on another site I post on so I thought I'd ask people here.

Now, the odds of Newton being available don't seem high. But if he were available, would you be willing to trade our 2015 and 2016 1st round picks for Cam Newton?

I would. He's not Brady or Manning but I think he's a level above Kaepernick and with Newton, we'd be a legitimate contender.

Now, here's one issue...Newton is owed $14.7 million in 2015 and then is a free agent after the season so we'd have to re-sign him to what is likely a lucrative deal.

On the other site, there opinions were mixed. I think it's an interesting question because he's just good enough that you're intrigued but not great enough where it's a slam dunk and the contract is something that is worth considering.

What say you, ROD?

One 4th rounder for him; but, with Fish, maybe he wins 10...like with Carolina; he is the exact style of qb I can't stand....no accuracy with every throw...hit and miss...great competitor...

 

[-X-]

Not two, no. I can't stand that douche-nozzle, but I could probably change my mind if it ended up happening.
Which it won't.
Thankfully.

 

[Alan]

Akrasian dazed and confused:
Not a big fan of QBR - but by those stats Fitzgerald is #9 and he'll be a free agent and almost certainly could be signed for two years for less than Newton is owed for next season. Maybe we should have a poll on signing Fitzgerald.

Fitzgerald is a WR with the Cards and Fitspatrick is a QB with Houston.

You realize that Fitzpatrick is a former Ram (2005-2006) right? He played his way out od St. Louis in 2006 and had some great years in Buffalo , signed a huge contract and then played his way out of Buffalo. If you look up inconsistent in the dictionary you'll see his mug shot. He can be really good and he can be really bad. He's kind of the original version of Eli Manning.

He's also 32 years old. But as a stop gap I'd sign him over Hill in a heartbeat. It wouldn't be cheap though and that's if the Texans even let him go.

Guess who one of the Texan's back up QBs is? Thad Lewis.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Russell is an anomaly, he's a lucky gift the Seahawks found. He's about film study and reading defense and taking what they give him. Everything most of that type of QB are not taught to be in college. DCs are already light years better stopping that type of QB. Until these runners have the ability to pass well they'll continue to fail at the NFL level.
A OC's creativity can only cover that lack so long.

Yes, Russell Wilson is an intelligent player who takes his craft seriously. But, his offensive coordinator allows him to play strengths. They are not telling him, don't run. Stay in the pocket. They are even calling running plays for him and it's successful because he's smart enough to know when the play is over. It's just the perfect fit. The guy keeps many drives alive not, by his ability to read coverages, but taking off and either forcing the defenders to make a decision of whether or not to come after him and/or giving his targets more time to get open.

IMO, he'd be on the bench or about to be replaced on other teams looking to force him into a traditional drop back pocket passer model.

DCs have a better understanding as how to defense a running QB, but they haven't stopped him. And he won't be stopped until he gets the same treatment Kapernick and RGIII until they try to fit his square peg (his style) into an uncreative OC round hole (pocket passer system).

Zone read rushing attacks still work. Rolling out with a pass run option still works. They haven't been stopped by DCs. They have been stopped by OCs looking to protect the team's investment.

 

[theramsruleUK]

No I wouldn't. Id trade a first rounder and a second rounder. but not 2 firsts. Just cant give up that much for one player

 

[Dr C. Hill]

Not a chance!

I wonder what Bradford might have done with Smith and Olson. He is better than I thought he would be, but I would rather have Bradford and the 2 #1's.

 

[Username]

I would trade for 20 Johnny Manziels before I would trade for that self centered attention whore.

 

[Corbin]

2 1st's for Cam Newton? Hell no! 2 firsts for a good OC? Yes!

 

[ZigZagRam]

I would. Cam would be perfect for this offense.

 

[Big Willie]

Not a fan. If he was truly superman, they'd be winning playoff games ( and regular season games too).

 

[shovelpass]

The only QB I would trade two 1st rounders for would be Luck or Rodgers. I would say that they are two of the best QB's in the league, and anybody even close to that is way too old to give up franchise altering picks.

 

[Rams0307]

We have one potential good QB with an injury history, no thanks in bringing in another.

 

[jrry32]

Yes, Russell Wilson is an intelligent player who takes his craft seriously. But, his offensive coordinator allows him to play strengths. They are not telling him, don't run. Stay in the pocket. They are even calling running plays for him and it's successful because he's smart enough to know when the play is over. It's just the perfect fit. The guy keeps many drives alive not, by his ability to read coverages, but taking off and either forcing the defenders to make a decision of whether or not to come after him and/or giving his targets more time to get open.

IMO, he'd be on the bench or about to be replaced on other teams looking to force him into a traditional drop back pocket passer model.

DCs have a better understanding as how to defense a running QB, but they haven't stopped him. And he won't be stopped until he gets the same treatment Kapernick and RGIII until they try to fit his square peg (his style) into an uncreative OC round hole (pocket passer system).

Zone read rushing attacks still work. Rolling out with a pass run option still works. They haven't been stopped by DCs. They have been stopped by OCs looking to protect the team's investment.

Because he's not a typical "running" QB. He's very athletic, very smart, and processes things quickly. It makes him a deadly passer. Unfortunately, due to his height, it's much harder for him to find throwing lanes in the pocket. But fortunately, also due to his height and athleticism, he's so very difficult to contain and sack because he has a low center of gravity, is very quick, and has impressive running instincts.

Wilson has franchise QB level passing ability...he's just limited in the pocket due to his height.

Most running QBs don't have that level passing ability.

 

[jrry32]

We have one potential good QB with an injury history, no thanks in bringing in another.

Counting Sunday's game, Newton will have missed a total of 2 games in four years. And one of the two was due to a gnarly car accident.

 

[bwdenverram]

Not in a million years. IMO he's way overrated.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Typical "running" QB? OK.

Wilson's team isn't winning games on his arm. This deadly passer has, by far, the most rushing attempts of all the starting QBs and isn't even in the top 20 of passing attempts.

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And only Kaepernick (his NFC Championship combatant) had fewer passing attempts per start last year of all the NFL QBs. Kaepernick, whom despite his past success, team saw fit to add a bunch of WRs, get pass happy, and try to make a pocket passer out of him this year.

Back to Newton. His LT (Gross) retired and wasn't adequately replaced. He's playing with what amounts to basically AN ENTIRELY NEW WR CORE whose best player is perhaps a rookie who was as raw as an onion coming out of college. And the teams rushing attack has suffered because his best back struggles to stay healthy and his other back looks like he's reached the end as he's gotten tripped by the 30 year old line.

It's amazing to me that some (not all) of the same posters who can understand all that Bradford didn't have around him can't seem to recognize the same for non Rams QBs.

No. They've just been figured out. I guess it's easier just to believe that than to look deeper.