What’s right with Jared Goff?

[jrry32]

That's easy to say monday morning but I didn't think Goff running away from the DB or trying to make the throw to Kupp were especially bad decisions before the turnover happened. The fumble was unlucky and good play by the DB, just like the Brown fumble (which I guess didn't lose us the game). Same thing with the tight window throws. A lot went wrong in the 9ers game (a defensive meltdown against the run, no running game, bad protection, a penalty at the end of the game that gave them an easier field goal). It's not like it was a blowout.

Goff can't be afraid to pull the trigger when he thinks he can make a throw. Big Ben (right now undefeated) threw 5 interceptions in a single game and lost 30-9 in 2017. Had a 8-8 season in 2018 and led the league in INTs. Steelers fans were right to keep the faith.

I'm not so sure about that. The fumble was a bad decision. Jared has no business trying to run over that DB. Get down. Live to play another down. The interception was also a bad decision. It was caused by getting hit while he threw. But even if he got the ball off, it still is likely a pick (maybe still a pick six). Kupp was doubled. Goff frankly just needs to throw that one at his WR's feet or over a WR's head out of bounds (or take the sack). Live to play another down.

That all said, you're right. Plenty of other great QBs have had turnover issues on off nights. That's especially true for the greats in their younger years. Peyton Manning threw 42 picks in his age 25 and 26 seasons combined. Drew Brees threw 35 picks in his age 28 and 29 seasons combined. Ben threw 23 picks in his age 24 season. It happens. Goff will hopefully outgrow it.

 

[majrleaged]

Tell em' Keyshawn!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbTI62ZOnXg&ab_channel=ESPN

But, Meshawn has not always said Goff is a damn good QB. He has come around, but he was wrong for the first 3 years.

 

[kurtfaulk]

I thought that Goff might play safe and conservative after being called out by McVay last week. He actually did the opposite with some great throws into tight windows. Now let’s hope he does the same against the Cheaters.

that's funny, you have the exact opposite view of this bozo that wrote an article for the la times.

Hernández: Rams can find plenty of value in Jared Goff being a $110-million game manager

Jared Goff might not be the franchise quarterback the Rams want, but he's fully capable of helping a talented team achieve its Super Bowl aspirations.

www.latimes.com

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[Elmgrovegnome]

Yes bad decisions made by Jared Goff are on Jared Goff I think that goes without saying. When he fumbles or forces the ball from a clean pocket into double/triple coverage and it results in an INT that is clearly his fault you’ll get no argument from me there and I would assume most others would agree. The point I was making is I don’t think it’s fair to say one player in such a team sport can single handedly loose a game Just like I don’t think one player can single handedly win a game. Especially considering the limited insight we have at any given time we can only see what unfolds not what was called or how the play is designed, most of us don’t even have complex enough understandings of football to understand basic schemes and responsibilities. On any given interception do we know if Goff simply made a bad throw or did he trust his receiver to be in a spot and he ran the wrong route? Or if pressure is instantly in Goffs face and he makes an errant throw is the blame not at least shared with the person who failed their job of blocking as well?

its a team game and qbs get way too much blame as well as way too much credit when things are going well.

I think one player can lose a game. I don't think one player can win a game. A good example was the Miami game. Now you could say its a credit to Miami's defense but the second half was completely different from the first half.

That's easy to say monday morning but I didn't think Goff running away from the DB or trying to make the throw to Kupp were especially bad decisions before the turnover happened. The fumble was unlucky and good play by the DB, just like the Brown fumble (which I guess didn't lose us the game). Same thing with the tight window throws. A lot went wrong in the 9ers game (a defensive meltdown against the run, no running game, bad protection, a penalty at the end of the game that gave them an easier field goal). It's not like it was a blowout.

Goff can't be afraid to pull the trigger when he thinks he can make a throw. Big Ben (right now undefeated) threw 5 interceptions in a single game and lost 30-9 in 2017. Had a 8-8 season in 2018 and led the league in INTs. Steelers fans were right to keep the faith.

Who ever said I'm giving up on Goff. I just pointed out that a QBs bad decisions can cost a team a game. I was all for the Rams picking Goff. I do think he gets into stretches where he is less careful about protecting the ball or taking sacks when he could throw the ball away, but that is not every game.

 

[Memento]

I'm not so sure about that. The fumble was a bad decision. Jared has no business trying to run over that DB. Get down. Live to play another down. The interception was also a bad decision. It was caused by getting hit while he threw. But even if he got the ball off, it still is likely a pick (maybe still a pick six). Kupp was doubled. Goff frankly just needs to throw that one at his WR's feet or over a WR's head out of bounds (or take the sack). Live to play another down.

That all said, you're right. Plenty of other great QBs have had turnover issues on off nights. That's especially true for the greats in their younger years. Peyton Manning threw 42 picks in his age 25 and 26 seasons combined. Drew Brees threw 35 picks in his age 28 and 29 seasons combined. Ben threw 23 picks in his age 24 season. It happens. Goff will hopefully outgrow it.

If he slides, just gives himself up, he could also get a flag thrown in our favor. Like you said, live to play another down.

If Goff learns this, he'll be elite. I know I must sound like a hypocrite after the last game, but since it was a frustrating loss against the 69ers, can you blame me?

 

[kurtfaulk]

Goff is a talented Curling Stone...Connecting my favorite sports of Curling with the NFL's gotta be a winner!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHHao4wFgyw

that was so fucking stupid.

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[RentonRamsFan]

that was so fucking stupid.

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Wait, Curling is one of your favorite sports? Are you Canadian? Goff has had a couple of really bad games this year (Miami, SF), and every QB goes through those things, and deserves any criticism for mistakes that are obviously their fault. However football is a team sport - and so success obviously depends on many things, and rarely can be attributed to a single person. Now, I'm not saying it's impossible for a single player to directly affect the outcome of a game, either positively or negatively. In a close game, it's absolutely possible for a single or a few mistakes to directly affect the outcome. However, sustained, consistent success or failure, is likely a result of multiple contributors. The best example of this, and it pains me to say this, is the Patriots.

 

[NJRamsFan]

I think one player can lose a game. I don't think one player can win a game. A good example was the Miami game. Now you could say its a credit to Miami's defense but the second half was completely different from the first half.

I disagree I think the game of football is way too much of a team game for one individual to win or lose a game by themselves but agree to disagree.

what about as I mentioned us having such limited knowledge on what is supposed to happen on any given play? For example what if a qb has 3 pick sixes all because of receivers running the wrong routes? (Completely hypothetical) would you feel confident enough in your analysis to blame the qb or would you just read the box score and watch the highlights and say the qb lost the game?

 

[Ellard80]

I disagree I think the game of football is way too much of a team game for one individual to win or lose a game by themselves but agree to disagree.

what about as I mentioned us having such limited knowledge on what is supposed to happen on any given play? For example what if a qb has 3 pick sixes all because of receivers running the wrong routes? (Completely hypothetical) would you feel confident enough in your analysis to blame the qb or would you just read the box score and watch the highlights and say the qb lost the game?

The QB can definately lose the game... because he has the ball in his hands all the time. Yeah you give examples of other players messing up- but that doesn't change the reality that the QB could be the one making the mistakes.

Like McVay has said many times - QB is the most difficult position in professional sports.

 

[matt30]

I'm not so sure about that. The fumble was a bad decision. Jared has no business trying to run over that DB. Get down. Live to play another down. The interception was also a bad decision. It was caused by getting hit while he threw. But even if he got the ball off, it still is likely a pick (maybe still a pick six). Kupp was doubled. Goff frankly just needs to throw that one at his WR's feet or over a WR's head out of bounds (or take the sack). Live to play another down.

That all said, you're right. Plenty of other great QBs have had turnover issues on off nights. That's especially true for the greats in their younger years. Peyton Manning threw 42 picks in his age 25 and 26 seasons combined. Drew Brees threw 35 picks in his age 28 and 29 seasons combined. Ben threw 23 picks in his age 24 season. It happens. Goff will hopefully outgrow it.

We'll they weren't good decisions, I'll give you that. I just think there is a lot of hyperbole about how awful a mistake is. My primary concern about Goff running is that he's going to get hurt, but I understand his desire to get positive yardage when the offense is struggling. In the moment, I can see how trucking a smaller DB might sound like a good idea when you have the ball tucked and the game is going as it has.

With the exception of the Sherman INT (that was a bad throw even if Sherman didn't catch it), the Kupp throw or the 4 yard run are plays I wouldn't even have thought about had they not ended up in a turnover.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Wait, Curling is one of your favorite sports? Are you Canadian? Goff has had a couple of really bad games this year (Miami, SF), and every QB goes through those things, and deserves any criticism for mistakes that are obviously their fault. However football is a team sport - and so success obviously depends on many things, and rarely can be attributed to a single person. Now, I'm not saying it's impossible for a single player to directly affect the outcome of a game, either positively or negatively. In a close game, it's absolutely possible for a single or a few mistakes to directly affect the outcome. However, sustained, consistent success or failure, is likely a result of multiple contributors. The best example of this, and it pains me to say this, is the Patriots.

While everything you said is true the only objective of that segment was to dump on goff.

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[jrry32]

We'll they weren't good decisions, I'll give you that. I just think there is a lot of hyperbole about how awful a mistake is. My primary concern about Goff running is that he's going to get hurt, but I understand his desire to get positive yardage when the offense is struggling. In the moment, I can see how trucking a smaller DB might sound like a good idea when you have the ball tucked and the game is going as it has.

With the exception of the Sherman INT (that was a bad throw even if Sherman didn't catch it), the Kupp throw or the 4 yard run are plays I wouldn't even have thought about had they not ended up in a turnover.

I'd go the opposite direction. I think the Sherman INT was the least bad decision of the three. I can at least understand his thought process. Higbee didn't run his route the way Jared expected, and Sherman peeled off his man, which fooled Goff. I can understand that mistake. The other two were just really dumb plays imo.

 

[RentonRamsFan]

While everything you said is true the only objective of that segment was to dump on goff.

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Oh for sure, but since this is the 'what's right with Goff' thread, I was trying (maybe not that successfully) to stand up for Goff

 

[NJRamsFan]

The QB can definately lose the game... because he has the ball in his hands all the time. Yeah you give examples of other players messing up- but that doesn't change the reality that the QB could be the one making the mistakes.

Like McVay has said many times - QB is the most difficult position in professional sports.

I don't think that I ever insinuated that the QB could be the one making the mistakes and if I did I certainly didn't mean to. I am just saying we don't know who is really responsible at any given moment because we don't know the plays/responsibilities or even for the most part basic principals of football schemes at an NFL level. Yes the QB has the ball in his hands all the time but how could you as a fan with no knowledge of the play calling/concepts possibly know if the QB did the exact right thing and it resulted in a turnover because of someone else? I just don't buy the fact that one player could win or lose a game by themselves. For example, why does Jared Goff have more wins since 2017 than Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers? He is clearly not a better qb than those guys over the past 3-4 years so what explains it if not the team?

 

[FarNorth]

I think the defense might have had something to do with that victory, right? That was a good day and Goff played very well, but on balance Brady has played better than Goff this season, would you agree? Let’s hope Goff can change that opinion over the last 4 games because he needs to build on this weeks performance if we are to compete for the prize

Of course the D had a lot to do with it, but Tampa Bay has an outstanding D too.

I don't agree that Brady has had a better season. Brady has also been inconsistent in several games. He has more passing TDs than Goff, but their stats are otherwise very similar. The difference is that Rams lack a big one on one td machine named Mike Evans. The Rams O and Goff would be unstoppable with Evans. Brady also has other outstanding receivers and RBs who can make plays against anyone.

I love Woods and Kupp, but they are precision route runners, not high volume scorers. Rams need another big play receiver to stretch the field deep and/or make plays in the end zone to be more than a possession offense.

Of course, the Rams also have a better record than TB and I at least expect the Rams to go deeper in the playoffs.

 

[FrantikRam]

I think one player can lose a game. I don't think one player can win a game. A good example was the Miami game. Now you could say its a credit to Miami's defense but the second half was completely different from the first half.



Who ever said I'm giving up on Goff. I just pointed out that a QBs bad decisions can cost a team a game. I was all for the Rams picking Goff. I do think he gets into stretches where he is less careful about protecting the ball or taking sacks when he could throw the ball away, but that is not every game.

1000% agree that one player can lose a game.

Easiest example is a RB (since QB triggers people) fumbling every touch. Defense could not allow a yard. No other player could do a single thing wrong. And you would lose the game 45-0 allowing 15 FGs.

On the flip side, it's physically impossible for one player to win a game - you need execution from multiple parties.

That's why "mistake-free" is a popular phrase.

 

[NJRamsFan]

1000% agree that one player can lose a game.

Easiest example is a RB (since QB triggers people) fumbling every touch. Defense could not allow a yard. No other player could do a single thing wrong. And you would lose the game 45-0 allowing 15 FGs.

On the flip side, it's physically impossible for one player to win a game - you need execution from multiple parties.

That's why "mistake-free" is a popular phrase.

But what you just said is made up. No RB fumbles every touch and no defense doesn’t allow a yard and no player plays mistake free football

 

[FrantikRam]

But what you just said is made up. No RB fumbles every touch and no defense doesn’t allow a yard and no player plays mistake free football

It's an exaggeration but I'm sure it's happened on some level of football. Irs possible, that's the point.

Other players could have played better, but IMO Pharaoh Cooper is THE reason we lost the Falcons playoff game a few years ago.

Same way I felt Goff was the reason we lost to the Dolphins and Niners

 

[NJRamsFan]

It's an exaggeration but I'm sure it's happened on some level of football. Irs possible, that's the point.

Other players could have played better, but IMO Pharaoh Cooper is THE reason we lost the Falcons playoff game a few years ago.

Same way I felt Goff was the reason we lost to the Dolphins and Niners

I guess we just have a fundamental disagreement on how football works so cheers

 

[A.J. Hicks]

The talk used to be Goff vs Wentz.

Goff has grown to the point that it's Goff vs Goff in the headlines. That's growth.

Guess what's the best part about that . . . Goff understands that there are bumps on the way to greatness. That's growth.