What’s right with Jared Goff?

[jrry32]

Yes. Bootlegs are a surprise type play. If overused you get diminishing returns and actually can introduce more risk of turnovers due to sacks and strips, not to mention tipped balls. McVay uses them extremely well, he probably has the best feel in the league for using them, often catching teams crashing in their ends or coming on the blitz and Goff's fake motion is among the best in the league.

Goff doesn't get cred for his fake quality. The guy looks identical from the shoulders up whether he hands it off or not. He's a magician with that shit and makes it look easy.

You're right. Goff's ball-handling is superb.

 

[ScotsRam]

He was good today... zero turnovers, high completion percentage.

He was good two games ago also though... so lets see two good games in a row.

It's fun to win but we did this all last year as well... up and down up and down.

Need some consistency.

On to New England.

I get what you're saying but 8-4 is pretty consistent.

 

[ScotsRam]

My own take on this is exactly the same as it was during the old Warner vs Bulger days - QBs get too much credit when a team wins and too much blame when they lose. That's just the nature of the sport at this point.

I will say if we were 8-4 and we had split with the 9ers, beat the Dolphins and lost to the Buccs and Seahawks for example, I think people would be more trusting of this team. I get it, we have had a couple of ugly losses. We have had some quality wins too, but we seem quick to forget those for some reason.

As we stand here, we are the 3rd seed in the conference and there are what, 5 out of 32 teams with a better record. The sky ain't falling here. I personally wish some folks would have a little more perspective when we lose.

 

[ScotsRam]

Im here but I had duty for most of the game so I just saw bits and pieces.

He got off to a rocky start but he was slinging the ball well gotta say. No turnovers so yay.

With that said I think he's still a bum until proven otherwise. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Been watching him long enough to see that he'll light it up against mediocre defenses but the second we play a tough D he will fall apart.

I honestly want to be wrong. I do.

Dude, ALL quarterbacks fall apart against elite defenses. That's kinda what being an elite defense means!

If the criticism of Goff is that he isn't Rodgers, Mahomes or prime Manning then come on. Lower your damn expectations.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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[jrry32]

Im here but I had duty for most of the game so I just saw bits and pieces.

He got off to a rocky start but he was slinging the ball well gotta say. No turnovers so yay.

With that said I think he's still a bum until proven otherwise. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Been watching him long enough to see that he'll light it up against mediocre defenses but the second we play a tough D he will fall apart.

I honestly want to be wrong. I do.

After the SF game, I posted Goff's numbers in our games against teams that weren't SF and Miami (where he clearly stunk). There were 8 total games, and his numbers were quite good. 5 of those 8 games came against teams that were either top 10 in PPG Allowed or top 10 in YPG Allowed. For example, prior to their game tonight, the Redskins are currently #7 in PPG Allowed and #4 YPG Allowed. Goff toasted their defense to the tune of over 10 yards per attempt, 300+ yards, and a 111.7 passer rating. The idea that Goff can't play well against tough defenses is a myth. SF and Miami certainly gave him problems, but they weren't the only good defenses we faced.

 

[TheTackle]

Goff and the offense are a little Jekyll and Hyde but statistics do not show what a beautiful ball he throws

Some of those throws (and catches) yesterday were breathtaking

 

[ProGen]

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Dude is a straight up winner.

 

[Mackeyser]

I'll happily post in both threads.

Maybe the issue is that we've struggled to replace the Gurley of early '18 and Brandin Cooks and the deep threat he provided.

I think some of the issues have certainly been scheme. Others, ball placement. Goff's still not placing the ball as well as he did in '18 and I'm sure there are a host of reasons for it, but it's a thing. When our WRs make excellent catches, Goff does very well. When they don't, like against SF, then Goff looks ordinary, confused, etc.

I really like him and still think that once McVay has a few more seasons of adjusting his offense that Goff will be more consistent and consistently in that top 5 Elite category.

I was super upset after the 9er loss (I mean...why against the 9ers of all teams?), but yeah Goff over all is a big plus for us.

I also like Herbert. Dudes a baller and has lit up the league as a rookie. One bad game against the rookie QB killer that is Belichick isn't gonna change that. It's felt at times that Herbert even as a rookie was more confident going through his rotations than Goff. Obv not yesterday...

It'd be super nice if they opposing DLs would stop hitting Goff in the face (at least it got called this time), cuz that can't help.

Big plus for Goff is how he responds. Plus, he and McVay are an excellent fit.

 

[TheTackle]

Maybe the issue is that we've struggled to replace the Gurley of early '18 and Brandin Cooks and the deep threat he provided.

We haven't scored too many quick scores, eh? Following your excellent point, lacking a lightning strike has added to our woes inside the 20.

I would add that Goff should be in the conversation as one of the best QBs in the NFC... he hasn't challenged Wilson, Rodgers, and Brady this season, but he is firmly in the next group of QBs

 

[ottoman89]

I certainly griped about Goff the last few weeks and just like last season, he had a very rough November for whatever reason. I believe last November he threw ZERO TDs and this November he would like to forget too.

With that said, all of the griping and bitching about Goff was deserved, he was playing awful and single handedly lost us 2 games.

It's never been that he doesn't have the talent, because he obviously does, it has always been about him needing to be CONSISTENT.

 

[NJRamsFan]

single handedly lost us 2 games.

so with a 78% completion percentage 2 tds and 351 yds passing did Jared Goff single handedly win yesterday’s game? he was clearly our best offensive performer. Next would be cam I guess with 72 yds and td 3.4 per carry. Troy hill had a great play for a td but no one on defense really had a stand out game statistically so it wouldn’t be a stretch to say Goff had the best game of all our players yesterday. Just trying to keep your logic consistent...if he has a terrible game he single handedly looses the game so does he single handedly win the game when he has the best ram performance?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

so with a 78% completion percentage 2 tds and 351 yds passing did Jared Goff single handedly win yesterday’s game? he was clearly our best offensive performer. Next would be cam I guess with 72 yds and td 3.4 per carry. Troy hill had a great play for a td but no one on defense really had a stand out game statistically so it wouldn’t be a stretch to say Goff had the best game of all our players yesterday. Just trying to keep your logic consistent...if he has a terrible game he single handedly looses the game so does he single handedly win the game when he has the best ram performance?

He lost those games with bad turnovers. Bad decisions like forcing passes that are not there or not sliding on a run resulting in a fumble are definitely on Goff.

 

[Ellard80]

I get what you're saying but 8-4 is pretty consistent.

if the season ended today yeah...last year we were 8-5 at one point and didn;t make the playoffs.

I think its pretty hard to argue that this team has been consistent the past two years.

 

[NJRamsFan]

He lost those games with bad turnovers. Bad decisions like forcing passes that are not there or not sliding on a run resulting in a fumble are definitely on Goff.

Yes bad decisions made by Jared Goff are on Jared Goff I think that goes without saying. When he fumbles or forces the ball from a clean pocket into double/triple coverage and it results in an INT that is clearly his fault you’ll get no argument from me there and I would assume most others would agree. The point I was making is I don’t think it’s fair to say one player in such a team sport can single handedly loose a game Just like I don’t think one player can single handedly win a game. Especially considering the limited insight we have at any given time we can only see what unfolds not what was called or how the play is designed, most of us don’t even have complex enough understandings of football to understand basic schemes and responsibilities. On any given interception do we know if Goff simply made a bad throw or did he trust his receiver to be in a spot and he ran the wrong route? Or if pressure is instantly in Goffs face and he makes an errant throw is the blame not at least shared with the person who failed their job of blocking as well?

its a team game and qbs get way too much blame as well as way too much credit when things are going well.

 

[ottoman89]

so with a 78% completion percentage 2 tds and 351 yds passing did Jared Goff single handedly win yesterday’s game? he was clearly our best offensive performer. Next would be cam I guess with 72 yds and td 3.4 per carry. Troy hill had a great play for a td but no one on defense really had a stand out game statistically so it wouldn’t be a stretch to say Goff had the best game of all our players yesterday. Just trying to keep your logic consistent...if he has a terrible game he single handedly looses the game so does he single handedly win the game when he has the best ram performance?

When he's throwing pick 6's and fumbling the ball as it directly leads to points for the opposition, yeah, I'm saying that.

 

[NJRamsFan]

When he's throwing pick 6's and fumbling the ball as it directly leads to points for the opposition, yeah, I'm saying that.

I know you’re saying that. You already said it which is what I quoted originally. I was asking about the other side of the coin.

 

[ottoman89]

I know you’re saying that. You already said it which is what I quoted originally. I was asking about the other side of the coin.

Sorry, I didn't see the other side of the question.

My illogical opinion said yes. If he can single handedly lose us games, he certainly can single handedly win us games too. Yesterday was a great performance, threw probably the best ball I've seen from him this season (maybe). And it showed, he made throws in right windows that made me have anxiety. He made great throws that single handedly kept the drive alive and ended up in points.

If Goff is on, we win. If Goff is off, we lose.

 

[badnews]

Whats right with Jared Goff?
A whole hell of lot more than what's wrong.
He isn't as experienced as some fans expect him to be. His problem is consistency - how many QBs under 26 would that sentence apply to?
Consistency comes from confidence and confidence comes from experience. We have seen every game Jared Goff has ever called plays from the huddle, every game he's ever had to read defenses as a pro style QB. He is just now getting the hang of his protection calls. We have watched him master the playfake, we have seen him learn how to adjust his cadence and become very good at getting defenses to jump.
Also - anybody notice that Kupp and Woods almost never have to make a catch look hard? The passes to them yesterday were on their hands more often than not. Its all of the recievers not named Kupp and Woods who are making the tough catches. Makes me think that its not always about Goffs accuracy, a lot of times it's these guys not being on the same page with him.

Also - Goff is a tough SOB. He has faced adversity throughout college and in his early career. He never stays down long. He gets no respect for all he does well and extra criticism for the things he doesn't. Despite the cool, laid back nature, he has a quiet but intense drive to prove his doubters wrong and that might lead to him trying to do too much sometimes but it's that chip on his shoulder and his belief in himself that brought us back against Buffalo and that allowed him to overcome a rough start with 4 of 9 passing.

The things that Goff is really great at don't make for sexy highlights like Mahomes to Hill or a Russell Wilson scramble..

 

[Ewe83]

My favorite thing about Jared is his ability to bounce back, he doesn't let games like last week get to him he just continues to work harder. he has so much potential to be one of the truly greats and I still believe he can get there