What Cardinals Fans Are Saying Before And After The Game(Part 2)

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jrry32 said:
Vikings definitely do. Bengals probably do. The Colts might. The Dolphins probably do. The Chiefs might. Truth is that none of us know how good Mannion is. I hope we don't find out until he moves onto his next team.
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As you know, I watched pretty much every snap Mannion took in college. Obviously we don't know for sure how good of a pro he would be. You have a MUCH higher opinion of Teddy than I. I personally think Mannion is better than either he or Case. I also think Mannion is better than McCarron (sp?) if for no other reason than he can't supplant Dalton. Mahomes is an unknown playing behind Smith. He may be better or he may be a college QB. But we know how good he'll be as much as we know how good Mannion will be. He's a first rounder though so I'll give on that one.

Miami Dolphins? Really? Yeah - no.

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How would we know?
He hasn't played.
If the team is serious about loading up to compete for a title backup QB should be considered.
If the starter goes down for an extended time most teams will have a hard time winning. Having a backup with experience that won't be overwhelmed starting for several games should be an upgrade in FA.
If that means spending a little money for a Fitzpatrick or McCown (that kind of guy) then so be it. It is a key thing for a contending team.
If not change is made they either believe in Mannion based on practice or they aren't that serious about contending.
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I won't buy into the idea that because they haven't gone after perennial hacks like Fitzy ot McCown, they aren't serious about winning championships. Mannion is a stud and I always saw him as a very good pocket QB. He is better than Fitzy ever was IMO. And are you talking about that dinosaur McCown? We need a 38 year old back-up with a 30% win percentage in order to demonstrate our seriousness? I just don't see either of these guys being a better option.

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Pats based on Hoyers playing experience.
Dolphins and Raiders he same.
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Hoyer? How is he an upgrade? Experience is one thing but he's just not good. Manuel might be able to step in easier so I could see that one as a positive move MAYBE.
 
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As you know, I watched pretty much every snap Mannion took in college. Obviously we don't know for sure how good of a pro he would be. You have a MUCH higher opinion of Teddy than I. I personally think Mannion is better than either he or Case. I also think Mannion is better than McCarron (sp?) if for no other reason than he can't supplant Dalton. Mahomes is an unknown playing behind Smith. He may be better or he may be a college QB. But we know how good he'll be as much as we know how good Mannion will be. He's a first rounder though so I'll give on that one.

Miami Dolphins? Really? Yeah - no.
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As you know, I wasn't a fan of Mannion's college film. However, Teddy and Case have proven they can play in this league. Same with McCarron (to a lesser extent). Mannion has not. I am expecting good things from Mannion because of the coaches we have on offense right now, but he still hasn't done anything at this level. Until he does, hard to take him over guys who have.

The Dolphins technically have Cutler and Moore backing up Tannehill. That's outstanding QB depth.
 
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jrry32 said:
As you know, I wasn't a fan of Mannion's college film. However, Teddy and Case have proven they can play in this league. Same with McCarron (to a lesser extent). Mannion has not. I am expecting good things from Mannion because of the coaches we have on offense right now, but he still hasn't done anything at this level. Until he does, hard to take him over guys who have.

The Dolphins technically have Cutler and Moore backing up Tannehill. That's outstanding QB depth.
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Come on man, you were the one who said very stridently, the Ram's would never lose to Case..remember.

Cutler is going going, soon to be gone from the NFL. I remember your recap of Mannion's play. but while that may be true, McVay kept him, for at least this year, and we do have the kid Allen on the PS. I and everyone else will know after this offseason what is the real deal
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RamFan503 said:
As you know, I watched pretty much every snap Mannion took in college. Obviously we don't know for sure how good of a pro he would be. You have a MUCH higher opinion of Teddy than I. I personally think Mannion is better than either he or Case. I also think Mannion is better than McCarron (sp?) if for no other reason than he can't supplant Dalton. Mahomes is an unknown playing behind Smith. He may be better or he may be a college QB. But we know how good he'll be as much as we know how good Mannion will be. He's a first rounder though so I'll give on that one.

Miami Dolphins? Really? Yeah - no.


I won't buy into the idea that because they haven't gone after perennial hacks like Fitzy ot McCown, they aren't serious about winning championships. Mannion is a stud and I always saw him as a very good pocket QB. He is better than Fitzy ever was IMO. And are you talking about that dinosaur McCown? We need a 38 year old back-up with a 30% win percentage in order to demonstrate our seriousness? I just don't see either of these guys being a better option.


Hoyer? How is he an upgrade? Experience is one thing but he's just not good. Manuel might be able to step in easier so I could see that one as a positive move MAYBE.
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Hoyer may be a stretch.
McCown has thrown for 17,000 yards with a 93-71 TD/Int ratio and has 71 starts.
Fitzpatrick has 119 starts with a 173/136 TD/INT ration and 27,000 yards passing.
Are either one Marino?
Of course not.
Are either a more viable option if you have a (assuming) complete team that needs 3-5 solid starts from a backup QB? Without a doubt I would say.
I did say in my message that sticking with Mannion means either they believe in him as a good option or they don't think they are there. That's an over statement of course. It could mean they don't want to spend $3M + for a back up QB.
As for McCown being 38, dude moves a heck of a lot better at 38 than Mannion does in the little action we have seen of him.
Just saying..
Would hate to give up a potential run next year because we are bringing in a QB with 14 pass attempts.
That said, I don't expect the Rams to spend the money for a more reliable backup option.
 
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RamFan503 said:
As you know, I watched pretty much every snap Mannion took in college. Obviously we don't know for sure how good of a pro he would be. You have a MUCH higher opinion of Teddy than I. I personally think Mannion is better than either he or Case. I also think Mannion is better than McCarron (sp?) if for no other reason than he can't supplant Dalton. Mahomes is an unknown playing behind Smith. He may be better or he may be a college QB. But we know how good he'll be as much as we know how good Mannion will be. He's a first rounder though so I'll give on that one.

Miami Dolphins? Really? Yeah - no.


I won't buy into the idea that because they haven't gone after perennial hacks like Fitzy ot McCown, they aren't serious about winning championships. Mannion is a stud and I always saw him as a very good pocket QB. He is better than Fitzy ever was IMO. And are you talking about that dinosaur McCown? We need a 38 year old back-up with a 30% win percentage in order to demonstrate our seriousness? I just don't see either of these guys being a better option.


Hoyer? How is he an upgrade? Experience is one thing but he's just not good. Manuel might be able to step in easier so I could see that one as a positive move MAYBE.
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Also, win percentage means nothing in terms of judging a QB, particularly a back up QB. Not to me anyway.
After all Goff is 8-10 for a stunning winning percentage of 44%. (blue font)
 
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nighttrain said:
Come on man, you were the one who said very stridently, the Ram's would never lose to Case..remember.
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I do, but that was because I didn't see them shutting down our offense like they did or us being forced to play our #6 CB. That doesn't mean that Case is garbage. He's proven this year that he's a Fitzpatrick or McCown-level QB. That's more than Mannion has proven at this point.

Cutler is going going, soon to be gone from the NFL. I remember your recap of Mannion's play. but while that may be true, McVay kept him, for at least this year, and we do have the kid Allen on the PS. I and everyone else will know after this offseason what is the real deal
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Cutler being a goner has more to do with his personality and pride than his play. He's no longer the guy he used to be, but he's still a fringe starter/great backup.
 
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I do, but that was because I didn't see them shutting down our offense like they did or us being forced to play our #6 CB. That doesn't mean that Case is garbage. He's proven this year that he's a Fitzpatrick or McCown-level QB. That's more than Mannion has proven at this point.



Cutler being a goner has more to do with his personality and pride than his play. He's no longer the guy he used to be, but he's still a fringe starter/great backup.
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Still with McVay as coach, we have no idea what Mannion currently is, and it's not that i like him, it's just he is who we have
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On nine of those 12 opportunities, the Cardinals needed nine yards or more for a first down.
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How many yards was the author of that article expecting them to need for a first down? I mean, talk about a near meaningless stat.

I get that penalties can result in first and 5 situations, and being deep in the red zone can change it, but I wouldn't expect those to be more than a quarter of your total anyway.

Am I off base here, or is that guy an idiot?
 
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How many yards was the author of that article expecting them to need for a first down? I mean, talk about a near meaningless stat.

I get that penalties can result in first and 5 situations, and being deep in the red zone can change it, but I wouldn't expect those to be more than a quarter of your total anyway.

Am I off base here, or is that guy an idiot?
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He was talking about third downs.
 
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fearsomefour said:
That said, I don't expect the Rams to spend the money for a more reliable backup option.
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I think it's better they don't. We have Mannion on a rookie contract. Might as well use the money elsewhere.
 
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