What Cardinals Fans Are Saying Before And After The Game(Part 2)

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Matt Moore has proven that he can be an effective back up qb. Mannion has not. As a back up I’d feel pretty comfortable with him holding a clipboard.
Moore has proven that he can and will lose you games. I'll take the QB that was a far better college QB and has been practicing in the system for what will have been a year. If Matt Moore is at QB during the playoffs for any team, I'm betting on the other team. So if bringing in a QB that will likely make throws that will actually lose you a game against playoff level opponents, means you are more serious about contending? Yeah... not going to buy in to that logic.
 

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“That was like one of them tapes you burn,” offensive coordinator Harold Goodwin said. “And then you burn it again and then you burn it again.

Was that the cards dc or Roger Goodell?

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If that QB is someone I have no faith in, I would rather trust that the coaches know better what we have at back-up. The idea that they are not serious about contending because they haven't gone after a known career back-up or simply a higher drafted unknown would be akin to saying you know better than they and I'm just not buying that logic.

The Rams are very serious about contending IMO. And they have decided that replacing Mannion was not a priority for the team.
I will try again.
All I am saying is it is something to consider.
Not that WE MUST sign someone or we are doomed.
The FO is clearly committed to contend and has been, really, with the hiring of Fisher going forward.
I was trying to communicate, not very well, that having a very green backup COULD be risky for a team on the cusp. Having a green backup would make sense if the commitment to the position was to develop a guy. Having that spot tied up in development (inexperience) only makes sense if 1) the coaches believe in that guy or (2) the team isent close. I was not saying the FO or coaches don't think they are close or are not
committed.
A team that is in a position to potentially contend leaving the backup QB spot to a guy with no experience is a thing to discuss. That's all I am trying to say.
 

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My argument isn't that Mannion is great. My argument is with the idea that NOT replacing him with a known back-up, means we are not serious about contending in the playoffs. To me it means that maybe - just maybe, they see more upside with Mannion than they do grabbing someone who you just pray never puts down the clipboard because that will generally mean you are done.

All that said, if Mannion becomes trade bait - so be it. I would like to see what he has but not if that means Goff going down.

And I have always liked Cutler but he is a shell of himself and I just don't see him as a good option. More fools gold.

I 100% agree with all of this. I'd only move on from Mannion if McVay wants to draft a QB in this draft to develop behind Goff (on Day 3). Even then, ideally, we could trade Mannion in that situation.
 

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I will try again.
All I am saying is it is something to consider.
Not that WE MUST sign someone or we are doomed.
The FO is clearly committed to contend and has been, really, with the hiring of Fisher going forward.
I was trying to communicate, not very well, that having a very green backup COULD be risky for a team on the cusp. Having a green backup would make sense if the commitment to the position was to develop a guy. Having that spot tied up in development (inexperience) only makes sense if 1) the coaches believe in that guy or (2) the team isent close. I was not saying the FO or coaches don't think they are close or are not
committed.
A team that is in a position to potentially contend leaving the backup QB spot to a guy with no experience is a thing to discuss. That's all I am trying to say.
I get it. I just take exception to the idea that you forwarded that the Rams can show you they are serious about contending only if they move on from Mannion and go for some other scrub that has only demonstrated through their experience that they are perennial back-ups and not winners by any measure. Mannion is a heady player and mentally - IMO - less easily rattled than a mediocre back-up. His skills that I have watched throughout his career give us a REAL chance to win should the unfortunate happen. Matt Moore, Josh McCown, etc... give us a guy we can rely on to play mediocre to poorly. I'll take Mannion and his inexperience and hopefully that is why we have not gone after his replacement.

I'll fully admit that I am a Mannion homer. But if it weren't for what I've seen from him, I would be all over finding his replacement. It's exactly the kind of play I have seen from most of these back-ups as to why I am behind keeping Mannion.
 

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I 100% agree with all of this. I'd only move on from Mannion if McVay wants to draft a QB in this draft to develop behind Goff (on Day 3). Even then, ideally, we could trade Mannion in that situation.
And I have no problem with this either.
 

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I get it. I just take exception to the idea that you forwarded that the Rams can show you they are serious about contending only if they move on from Mannion and go for some other scrub that has only demonstrated through their experience that they are perennial back-ups and not winners by any measure. Mannion is a heady player and mentally - IMO - less easily rattled than a mediocre back-up. His skills that I have watched throughout his career give us a REAL chance to win should the unfortunate happen. Matt Moore, Josh McCown, etc... give us a guy we can rely on to play mediocre to poorly. I'll take Mannion and his inexperience and hopefully that is why we have not gone after his replacement.

I'll fully admit that I am a Mannion homer. But if it weren't for what I've seen from him, I would be all over finding his replacement. It's exactly the kind of play I have seen from most of these back-ups as to why I am behind keeping Mannion.

Not what I was saying.
Literally said I know they are committed to winning and that they could be sticking with Mannion long term because they believe in him.
I've said it four different ways.
 

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Not what I was saying.
Literally said I know they are committed to winning and that they could be sticking with Mannion long term because they believe in him.
I've said it four different ways.
And it seems you are ducking what you said. You said that they will show you they are serious about contending if they sign one of these back-ups rather than keeping Mannion in that spot. That is the only thing I am arguing. Sorry but I have a real problem with the idea that this is somehow telling you they are not serious. You can say you said it four ways, but I also have explained that keeping Mannion could very well mean that he actually is the player that means they are serious about contending. They could have gone with someone as a back up JUST because of the experience and that would be considered a safe bet. But they didn't. Likely because NOT doing that could be their best chance of winning should the unfortunate happen.

You've already acknowledged that they couldn't do it until the off season. So what if Goff were to go down early in the season. Does having some perennial loser come in as QB make them serious? Or does holding onto a prototypical pocket QB with a great mind for the game, practice within the system, and a Pac 12 passing leader tell you that they are not going the Spags last year model and trying to field a somewhat competitive team with proven mediocre players?

The one thing experience shows you is what to expect in the future. Losing and mediocrity are not traits that give me confidence that our back-up could somehow lead us into or deep into the playoffs, let alone contending for a championship. It tells me that they are ok with rolling with failure and waiting until next year, then the year after that, then.....
 

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And it seems you are ducking what you said. You said that they will show you they are serious about contending if they sign one of these back-ups rather than keeping Mannion in that spot. That is the only thing I am arguing. Sorry but I have a real problem with the idea that this is somehow telling you they are not serious. You can say you said it four ways, but I also have explained that keeping Mannion could very well mean that he actually is the player that means they are serious about contending. They could have gone with someone as a back up JUST because of the experience and that would be considered a safe bet. But they didn't. Likely because NOT doing that could be their best chance of winning should the unfortunate happen.

You've already acknowledged that they couldn't do it until the off season. So what if Goff were to go down early in the season. Does having some perennial loser come in as QB make them serious? Or does holding onto a prototypical pocket QB with a great mind for the game, practice within the system, and a Pac 12 passing leader tell you that they are not going the Spags last year model and trying to field a somewhat competitive team with proven mediocre players?

The one thing experience shows you is what to expect in the future. Losing and mediocrity are not traits that give me confidence that our back-up could somehow lead us into or deep into the playoffs, let alone contending for a championship. It tells me that they are ok with rolling with failure and waiting until next year, then the year after that, then.....
Not what I said.
Or what I meant to say anyway.
If it came off I was saying they need to prove something to me or that Mannion is the crux of proving that....not what I was saying.
Also have said multiple times the FO is serious about winning. In fact I spend time defending the front office the last year + of Fishers time there saying their moves made sense. Not all moves work out. But, they made sense in trying to build a winner.
Mannion has some skills. But also has a slow release and is a statue in the pocket.
How would he do in extended regular season play? No idea. Well I would hope.
If Goff went down this this season I would not bring a vet in. Let's see what Mannion has.
So.....
In this offseason looking at backup QB is one of the positions that should be (and will be) evaluated Im sure.
Fair enough?
 

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Mannion has some skills. But also has a slow release and is a statue in the pocket.
Not true though. Mannion is not mobile as a runner - obviously. But he moves in the pocket quite well and only has a slow release on long developing plays. He alters his release depending on what he needs to do. Does he have as quick of a release as Goff? Nope. Never will. But he has a quick release when he needs to use it. He had an atrocious O-line at OSU but still broke the record for passing yards. You don't do that without some serious skills.
 

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Oh... Did I mention Mannion is currently a Ram? That makes him the 2nd best QB in the league. End of story.:sneaky:
 

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Not true though. Mannion is not mobile as a runner - obviously. But he moves in the pocket quite well and only has a slow release on long developing plays. He alters his release depending on what he needs to do. Does he have as quick of a release as Goff? Nope. Never will. But he has a quick release when he needs to use it. He had an atrocious O-line at OSU but still broke the record for passing yards. You don't do that without some serious skills.
He has passing skills.
I thought he improved quite a bit from his rookie year to this preseason.
His release looked a better and his pocket movement was better.
But neither was great. But, that's ok. Doesn't need to be.
So, an incomplete so far is about the fairest grade.
I'm not down on the guy. He just has no track record in the NFL.
 

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No Joy For Cardinals In Loss To Rams
Darren Urban


The milestones were falling for Larry Fitzgerald Sunday, as they tend to do these days, surpassing Jerry Rice as the fastest player ever to 1,200 NFL receptions and passing up Isaac Bruce for fourth in all-time receiving yards.

It didn’t matter all that much to the wide receiver. Not Sunday.

“Not when you lose to the Rams, a division opponent,” Fitzgerald said after the Cardinals fell to Los Angeles, 32-16, at University of Phoenix Stadium. “The season hasn’t gone the way we wanted it. It’s hard to take any joy in losing.

“When I’m done and retired and I see you over at Starbucks one day we can reminisce about it. But I don’t feel good right now.”

None of the Cardinals did. The game wasn’t a replay of London’s harsh loss to the Rams (9-3), although it started that way. A rally made it interesting, until the Rams’ Michael Brockers went right up the middle to block a 45-yard field goal try by Phil Dawson with 11 minutes left, a kick that would’ve have shaved the Los Angeles lead to seven points.

It was the cap on another rough special teams day for the Cardinals (5-7) and likely was the cap on any postseason dreams. A win against the Rams, and there was a path with the remaining schedule to create a potential fairy tale push.

Fitzgerald noted that the Cardinals are mathematically still fighting, although math being involved is usually a bad sign when it comes to playoff possibilities.

“We really needed that one,” linebacker Karlos Dansby said. “We just have to keep chugging. You never know what might happen. This might be the setup. You’ve got to have faith.”

The Cardinals believed early, even down 16-0 at the end of the first quarter. Quarterback Blaine Gabbert had an awful start, underthrowing a bomb to J.J. Nelson on his first play that was intercepted – setting up a Rams touchdown – and then throwing another interception that Rams linebacker Alec Ogletree returned 41 yards for another score.

“Definitely not the start any of us wanted,” said Gabbert, who eventually settled down to complete 18-of-32 passes for 221 yards and a touchdown to Fitzgerald. “You’ve got to have a short-term memory, playing the quarterback position.”

Indeed, the Cards found a way back in the game.

Adrian Peterson didn’t play because of a neck injury, but Kerwynn Williams, cracked ribs and all, was the catalyst. He ran for 86 yards in the first half, often through gaping holes created by the Cardinals up front. Williams’ efforts set up Elijhaa Penny for a one-yard touchdown run and then later, Fitzgerald – who had 10 catches for 98 yards – grabbed a 15-yard pass for a score.

The Cardinals were within 16-13 at that point. It was a game.

One thing I never question is the effort our guys give,” coach Bruce Arians said. “These guys played their tails off. We just didn’t execute well enough to beat that team today.”

There were missed chances, like the dropped interception early that Dansby lamented afterward, or the missed touchdown throw from Gabbert to an open Ricky Seals-Jones. Special teams, however, took center stage in crucial moments.

The first was a trade of punts in the third quarter. The Cardinals, down 19-13, forced a Rams punt from the L.A. 9. Johnny Hekker blasted a 70-yarder, with no return. After a three-and-out, Andy Lee’s punt went only 40 yards, and Pharoh Cooper returned it 30 – setting up a 30-yard touchdown drive.

In the fourth quarter, down 10, the Cards stalled at the Rams 27. Brockers knocked down long snapper Justin Drescher up the middle and blocked the field goal. The Rams took the ball and went on their own field-goal drive.

The Cards never really challenged after that. A touchdown could’ve changed things, but the Cards only went three-and-out and had to punt.

“I would’ve liked to see a little more composure right there at the end,” Arians said. “We needed to get two scores. As a whole unit, we crumbled right there.”

After a fantastic first half, Williams couldn’t even reach 100 yards, finishing with 97 when he had only 11 yards on four carries in the second half. Some of that was game situation, some of that was the Rams adjusting their defense to close the big holes from the first two quarters.

Gabbert will remain the starting quarterback, Arians said. The Tennessee Titans (8-4) visit next week, needing a win to stay tied for first place in the AFC South. The Cardinals have all but moved into the spoiler role. For more than that, they must believe – and Dansby said the players still will.

“It isn’t tough at all,” Dansby said. “It’s just about character. That’s all that is. It’s not tough at all.”
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Boo frickety hoo. Couldn't happen to a more obnoxious lard ass than Bruce Arians. "But there is no joy in Mudville—mighty Casey has struck out."
 

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Matt Moore has proven that he can be an effective back up qb. Mannion has not. As a back up I’d feel pretty comfortable with him holding a clipboard.
When have Mannion had a chance to prove himself. Y’all out here sounding like Allbright. Mannion can run this offense we saw that in the preseason. Those guys don’t have Mannion arm talent or the talent he possess inside the pocket. Let’s just Trust McVay because if they didn’t think Mannion could step in and perform they would have got rid of him let’s just be happy that Goff is healthy and performing
 

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I'm scared to go back and try and understand how this thread turned into an anti/pro Mannion conversation lol. Did he sleep with someone's wife? Seems like the last player that'd be on anyone's mind right now.
 

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When have Mannion had a chance to prove himself. Y’all out here sounding like Allbright. Mannion can run this offense we saw that in the preseason. Those guys don’t have Mannion arm talent or the talent he possess inside the pocket. Let’s just Trust McVay because if they didn’t think Mannion could step in and perform they would have got rid of him let’s just be happy that Goff is healthy and performing
Lol.
He said pre season.
Wasn’t a knock on Mannion.
Moore is a good back up. And I’d prefer experience over never playing meaningful ball any day.
Rams are 9-3 and Goff is playing great. Talking backup is just bad karma so I’m out of this convo.
 

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I'm scared to go back and try and understand how this thread turned into an anti/pro Mannion conversation lol. Did he sleep with someone's wife? Seems like the last player that'd be on anyone's mind right now.

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So instead of Cardinals tears after the game I have to read arguments about Mannion whose slacking in here