What Cardinals Fans Are Saying Before And After The Game(Part 2)
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I think their youth is actually a help here as they are just enjoying going out every week to play. If this was a vet team, that could get bored, I think it would be a bigger concern. Kind of like the Steelers, where they have had some games where they played down to their competition.
Hopefully, they are fired up and ready because I think the Cards have likely gotten better and this will be there last chance to be relevant this year.
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We beat them down in London but now I want it to resonate in their souls!!!
Here this might be a better way of putting it...
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London failing: Cardinals hope they have transformed since first disaster against Rams
Kent Somers, azcentral sports
Cardinals defensive back Tyrann Mathieu reacts during Arizona's loss to the Rams in London on October.(Photo: Kirby Lee/USA TODAY Sports)
In difficult times, it’s human nature to try to pinpoint where and when life took a terrible turn.
Often, however, there isn’t one single pivot point, but a series of small turns caused by bad luck, poor decisions or a combination of both.
So it is with the Cardinals in 2017. There isn’t just one reason they are 5-6, three games behind the Rams, who lead the NFC West and visit Arizona on Sunday.
It was David Johnson’s injury. And Markus Golden’s. And poor pass protection. And inconsistent defense. And offseason choices by the front office. And bad special-teams play. And questionable coaching decisions. And Carson Palmer’s injury. And wilting under pressure.
All are reasons the Cardinals will miss the playoffs for a second consecutive season.
Those who follow the team had at least an inkling in the first month of the season that the 2017 Cardinals were more like the 2016 version, which went 7-8-1, than the 2015 model, which went 13-3.
For me, the last six minutes of the first half of the Cardinals’ first game against the Rams confirmed it.
The Cardinals had muddled their way to a 3-3 record, but were coming off a victory over the Buccaneers and the exciting debut of running back Adrian Peterson, who rushed for 134 yards and two touchdowns.
The Cardinals finally showed some life, and a victory over the Rams, 4-2 at the time, would have moved them into first place in the NFC West.
The Cardinals played lousy in the first 1½ quarters against the Rams at London’s Twickenham Stadium, but trailed only 6-0 with six minutes to go in the half.
In those final six minutes, however, almost every weakness of the Cardinals was on display.
Palmer had a pass intercepted. (The Cardinals are minus-four in turnover ratio for the season.)
Palmer suffered a broken left arm on the play and went on injured reserve. (The team has six starters on injured reserve.)
On the next play, Rams running back Todd Gurley scored on an 18-yard run for a 13-0 lead. (Cardinals opponents have scored five touchdowns on possessions immediately after Cardinals turnovers.)
The Rams drove 88 yards for a touchdown to take a 20-0 lead with 41 seconds left. (Cardinals opponents have scored 43 points in the final two minutes of the first half this season.)
On the next play, Stanton had a pass intercepted. (See turnover statistic above.)
The Rams made a 53-yard field goal to take a 23-0 lead at halftime. (Cardinals opponents have not missed a field goal this year, while the Cardinals have missed six.)
The Rams won 33-0. Both teams headed back to the States, but it was clear they were going in different directions.
Judged by NFC standings, not much changed over the next five weeks.
The Cardinals continued to muddle about, going 2-2, while the Rams won three of four and have a one-game lead over Seattle in the division.
The Rams look pretty much the same in Week 13 as they did in Week 7. The same quarterback, Jared Goff, has started every game. The same five offensive linemen have started every game. Gurley has started every game. The defense is relatively healthy.
The Cardinals, in contrast, look much different now than in Week 7. They are on their third quarterback, Blaine Gabbert. Safety Tyvon Branch and left tackle D.J. Humphries have been lost for the season. Tight end Rickey Seals-Jones, who has scored three touchdowns in the past two games, was inactive against the Rams. Safety Budda Baker, who has 16 tackles the past two weeks, played eight plays on defense against the Rams.
D.J. Foster, inactive against the Rams, has replaced Andre Ellington as the third-down back. Rookie Chad Williams, also inactive against the Rams, started last Sunday and participated in 29 offensive plays.
Undergoing that many changes so deep into a season is rarely a good thing, but the Cardinals played their best game of the season in beating the Jaguars, 27-24.
It was the first time this season the Cardinals beat a team with a winning record. Is that a sign they have improved since the debacle in London?
The Cardinals hope so, because the loss to the Rams lingers. Or at least it should linger, coach Bruce Arians said
“It should be an embarrassment when you watch the film, the way we played.”
London failing: Cardinals hope they have transformed since first disaster against Rams
Kent Somers, azcentral sports
Cardinals defensive back Tyrann Mathieu reacts during Arizona's loss to the Rams in London on October.(Photo: Kirby Lee/USA TODAY Sports)
In difficult times, it’s human nature to try to pinpoint where and when life took a terrible turn.
Often, however, there isn’t one single pivot point, but a series of small turns caused by bad luck, poor decisions or a combination of both.
So it is with the Cardinals in 2017. There isn’t just one reason they are 5-6, three games behind the Rams, who lead the NFC West and visit Arizona on Sunday.
It was David Johnson’s injury. And Markus Golden’s. And poor pass protection. And inconsistent defense. And offseason choices by the front office. And bad special-teams play. And questionable coaching decisions. And Carson Palmer’s injury. And wilting under pressure.
All are reasons the Cardinals will miss the playoffs for a second consecutive season.
Those who follow the team had at least an inkling in the first month of the season that the 2017 Cardinals were more like the 2016 version, which went 7-8-1, than the 2015 model, which went 13-3.
For me, the last six minutes of the first half of the Cardinals’ first game against the Rams confirmed it.
The Cardinals had muddled their way to a 3-3 record, but were coming off a victory over the Buccaneers and the exciting debut of running back Adrian Peterson, who rushed for 134 yards and two touchdowns.
The Cardinals finally showed some life, and a victory over the Rams, 4-2 at the time, would have moved them into first place in the NFC West.
The Cardinals played lousy in the first 1½ quarters against the Rams at London’s Twickenham Stadium, but trailed only 6-0 with six minutes to go in the half.
In those final six minutes, however, almost every weakness of the Cardinals was on display.
Palmer had a pass intercepted. (The Cardinals are minus-four in turnover ratio for the season.)
Palmer suffered a broken left arm on the play and went on injured reserve. (The team has six starters on injured reserve.)
On the next play, Rams running back Todd Gurley scored on an 18-yard run for a 13-0 lead. (Cardinals opponents have scored five touchdowns on possessions immediately after Cardinals turnovers.)
The Rams drove 88 yards for a touchdown to take a 20-0 lead with 41 seconds left. (Cardinals opponents have scored 43 points in the final two minutes of the first half this season.)
On the next play, Stanton had a pass intercepted. (See turnover statistic above.)
The Rams made a 53-yard field goal to take a 23-0 lead at halftime. (Cardinals opponents have not missed a field goal this year, while the Cardinals have missed six.)
The Rams won 33-0. Both teams headed back to the States, but it was clear they were going in different directions.
Judged by NFC standings, not much changed over the next five weeks.
The Cardinals continued to muddle about, going 2-2, while the Rams won three of four and have a one-game lead over Seattle in the division.
The Rams look pretty much the same in Week 13 as they did in Week 7. The same quarterback, Jared Goff, has started every game. The same five offensive linemen have started every game. Gurley has started every game. The defense is relatively healthy.
The Cardinals, in contrast, look much different now than in Week 7. They are on their third quarterback, Blaine Gabbert. Safety Tyvon Branch and left tackle D.J. Humphries have been lost for the season. Tight end Rickey Seals-Jones, who has scored three touchdowns in the past two games, was inactive against the Rams. Safety Budda Baker, who has 16 tackles the past two weeks, played eight plays on defense against the Rams.
D.J. Foster, inactive against the Rams, has replaced Andre Ellington as the third-down back. Rookie Chad Williams, also inactive against the Rams, started last Sunday and participated in 29 offensive plays.
Undergoing that many changes so deep into a season is rarely a good thing, but the Cardinals played their best game of the season in beating the Jaguars, 27-24.
It was the first time this season the Cardinals beat a team with a winning record. Is that a sign they have improved since the debacle in London?
The Cardinals hope so, because the loss to the Rams lingers. Or at least it should linger, coach Bruce Arians said
“It should be an embarrassment when you watch the film, the way we played.”
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"Turn to the right and Goff".... LOL
"Sheared Experience"... /groan
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I'm worried that I'm not more worried about this game. There is still talent over there - I just hope the Rams aren't already looking ahead to the Eagles.
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Cardinals rookie tight end Ricky Seals-Jones continues turning heads upon getting his shot
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If things get any better for Ricky Seals-Jones, it shouldn’t come as a surprise. He’s had about the best two weeks a young NFL player could imagine.
Two weeks ago, the Cardinals' rookie tight end returned to his home area of Houston and caught not only his first three NFL passes of his career for 54 yards, but his first two touchdowns in a loss to the Texans.
This past Sunday, he caught four more passes for 72 yards and another touchdown during Arizona’s 27-24 victory over the Jaguars. He becomes just the third rookie tight end in franchise history with at least three touchdown receptions in a season, joining Rob Awalt (six in 1987) and Doug Marsh (four in 1980).
And then on Wednesday, Seals-Jones was granted a personal day and excused from practice so he could fly back home to Texas to be present for the birth of his first child, a son.
“Oh man, he’s enjoying it right now, let me tell you,” Seals-Jones’ cousin, Pro Football Hall of Fame running back Eric Dickerson, said Wednesday by phone. “Before that Houston game, I told him, ‘Be ready, I feel you’re going to get a touchdown.’ I said, ‘Just be ready because they’ve never seen you before. You’re not on anybody’s radar.’
“When I saw he scored twice, oh man, I was so excited, I can’t even tell you.”
So was Cardinals coach Bruce Arians, although he will tell you he knew the potential was there all along in the 6-foot-5, 243-pound former wide receiver out of Texas A&M who went undrafted earlier this year. Sensing Seals-Jones would have better chance to make the team and eventually be able to contribute, Arians and the coaching staff converted the first-year pro to tight end.
“Some of those guys, whether it’s a basketball player or a receiver who’s gotten bigger, they don’t really like to stick their face on a 280-pound guy,” Arians said. “He has not been afraid in the least to do that, and as he gets stronger and bigger, he’ll get better at it.”
According to Dickerson, Seals-Jones was hesitant about moving to tight end, even though his famous older cousin said that’s the position he should have declared heading into the NFL combine. Dickerson said “Texas A&M didn’t use him right” as a wideout and that “they didn’t really develop him there.”
“I told him that before the draft, a couple months before he decided to come out, I told him he needed to change position to tight end,” Dickerson said. “He wasn’t sure about it, but I told him, ‘Let me tell you why. Because you’re going to be a mismatch to a safety or a linebacker because they can’t run with you.’
“He eventually came around, and I’m just glad he’s getting an opportunity to play and show what he could do. I knew he could be a really good tight end. … He’s made me look good. I really believed in him, and I’m so glad the Cardinals gave him that shot.”
For the first nine weeks of this season, Seals-Jones was relegated to scout-team duty in practice as he learned his new position and became more familiar with the playbook. But all that work alongside quarterback Blaine Gabbert helped form a unique chemistry and trust between the two players, and it’s paying off since both made their Cardinals debuts together.
“I think just the reps throughout the season when we were on scout team, going back to, really, training camp, getting reps with him, both trying to learn the system,” Gabbert said. “Then being on scout team the first eight, nine weeks of the season, just doing our best to emulate our offense, use our verbiage when we were doing that.
“He’s always been a great football player. Just seeing him translate the last two weeks in big-time games, it has been a lot of fun to watch.”
Even members of the Cardinals’ defense have to tip their caps to what they’ve seen out of Seals-Jones. Veteran safety Antoine Bethea, for instance, said he and some of the other defensive backs often remark to each other about how well the youngster is practicing and playing.
“Oh yeah, and we’re all happy for him,” Bethea said. “It’s a great story. He was a great wide receiver, comes here, not drafted, moves to tight end, and in the second half of the season, he’s making a name for himself. That’s what it’s all about, when you get your opportunity to go out there and make the most of it.
“We’ve all said, ‘Man, he has talent.’ There are some other guys on the scout team and practice squad that can go out there and play, too. For him to get his opportunity and get his chance to shine, man, I’m happy for him.”
Seals-Jones talked about his sudden popularity last week, saying he just had to keep his head down and work hard every day if he was going to get his shot.
“I knew when I got my name called, I was going to be ready, whether it was going to be the first game of the season or the last game of the season,” he said. “I just came in day-in and day-out and worked, and I was just waiting on it.”
He said the game has slowed down for him lately, which has made all the difference. But he acknowledges he still has much to learn about being a tight end.
“Just to get out there and know that you can play with those guys, though, I feel extremely good about it,” Seals-Jones said.
His next opportunity to shine comes this Sunday at University of Phoenix Stadium against the Rams, Dickerson’s old team. Dickerson remains insatiably loyal to the Rams, but he’s also one of Seals-Jones’ biggest fans. So for whom will Dickerson be cheering?
“You know me, I’m going to be honest and I’ll always be the same, no matter what,” Dickerson said. “I told him, ‘I want you to play well. I don’t care if you have two touchdowns, as long as we win.' I want my Rams to win. I’m sorry.
Cardinals rookie tight end Ricky Seals-Jones continues turning heads upon getting his shot
Bob McManaman, azcentral sports
Photo: Michael Chow/azcentral sports
If things get any better for Ricky Seals-Jones, it shouldn’t come as a surprise. He’s had about the best two weeks a young NFL player could imagine.
Two weeks ago, the Cardinals' rookie tight end returned to his home area of Houston and caught not only his first three NFL passes of his career for 54 yards, but his first two touchdowns in a loss to the Texans.
This past Sunday, he caught four more passes for 72 yards and another touchdown during Arizona’s 27-24 victory over the Jaguars. He becomes just the third rookie tight end in franchise history with at least three touchdown receptions in a season, joining Rob Awalt (six in 1987) and Doug Marsh (four in 1980).
And then on Wednesday, Seals-Jones was granted a personal day and excused from practice so he could fly back home to Texas to be present for the birth of his first child, a son.
“Oh man, he’s enjoying it right now, let me tell you,” Seals-Jones’ cousin, Pro Football Hall of Fame running back Eric Dickerson, said Wednesday by phone. “Before that Houston game, I told him, ‘Be ready, I feel you’re going to get a touchdown.’ I said, ‘Just be ready because they’ve never seen you before. You’re not on anybody’s radar.’
“When I saw he scored twice, oh man, I was so excited, I can’t even tell you.”
So was Cardinals coach Bruce Arians, although he will tell you he knew the potential was there all along in the 6-foot-5, 243-pound former wide receiver out of Texas A&M who went undrafted earlier this year. Sensing Seals-Jones would have better chance to make the team and eventually be able to contribute, Arians and the coaching staff converted the first-year pro to tight end.
“Some of those guys, whether it’s a basketball player or a receiver who’s gotten bigger, they don’t really like to stick their face on a 280-pound guy,” Arians said. “He has not been afraid in the least to do that, and as he gets stronger and bigger, he’ll get better at it.”
According to Dickerson, Seals-Jones was hesitant about moving to tight end, even though his famous older cousin said that’s the position he should have declared heading into the NFL combine. Dickerson said “Texas A&M didn’t use him right” as a wideout and that “they didn’t really develop him there.”
“I told him that before the draft, a couple months before he decided to come out, I told him he needed to change position to tight end,” Dickerson said. “He wasn’t sure about it, but I told him, ‘Let me tell you why. Because you’re going to be a mismatch to a safety or a linebacker because they can’t run with you.’
“He eventually came around, and I’m just glad he’s getting an opportunity to play and show what he could do. I knew he could be a really good tight end. … He’s made me look good. I really believed in him, and I’m so glad the Cardinals gave him that shot.”
For the first nine weeks of this season, Seals-Jones was relegated to scout-team duty in practice as he learned his new position and became more familiar with the playbook. But all that work alongside quarterback Blaine Gabbert helped form a unique chemistry and trust between the two players, and it’s paying off since both made their Cardinals debuts together.
“I think just the reps throughout the season when we were on scout team, going back to, really, training camp, getting reps with him, both trying to learn the system,” Gabbert said. “Then being on scout team the first eight, nine weeks of the season, just doing our best to emulate our offense, use our verbiage when we were doing that.
“He’s always been a great football player. Just seeing him translate the last two weeks in big-time games, it has been a lot of fun to watch.”
Even members of the Cardinals’ defense have to tip their caps to what they’ve seen out of Seals-Jones. Veteran safety Antoine Bethea, for instance, said he and some of the other defensive backs often remark to each other about how well the youngster is practicing and playing.
“Oh yeah, and we’re all happy for him,” Bethea said. “It’s a great story. He was a great wide receiver, comes here, not drafted, moves to tight end, and in the second half of the season, he’s making a name for himself. That’s what it’s all about, when you get your opportunity to go out there and make the most of it.
“We’ve all said, ‘Man, he has talent.’ There are some other guys on the scout team and practice squad that can go out there and play, too. For him to get his opportunity and get his chance to shine, man, I’m happy for him.”
Seals-Jones talked about his sudden popularity last week, saying he just had to keep his head down and work hard every day if he was going to get his shot.
“I knew when I got my name called, I was going to be ready, whether it was going to be the first game of the season or the last game of the season,” he said. “I just came in day-in and day-out and worked, and I was just waiting on it.”
He said the game has slowed down for him lately, which has made all the difference. But he acknowledges he still has much to learn about being a tight end.
“Just to get out there and know that you can play with those guys, though, I feel extremely good about it,” Seals-Jones said.
His next opportunity to shine comes this Sunday at University of Phoenix Stadium against the Rams, Dickerson’s old team. Dickerson remains insatiably loyal to the Rams, but he’s also one of Seals-Jones’ biggest fans. So for whom will Dickerson be cheering?
“You know me, I’m going to be honest and I’ll always be the same, no matter what,” Dickerson said. “I told him, ‘I want you to play well. I don’t care if you have two touchdowns, as long as we win.' I want my Rams to win. I’m sorry.
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There is....as I've said, they look good coming off the bus.
I do like the way they have drafted the last few years.....this guy \/ was also a good pickup....wondered how he'd turn out...
Saw this cat in a game...and I thought, no way he stays at WR....runs pretty good...didn't know he was related to ED.
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To (Gabby) Gabbert: Aaron Donald and company are ready and licking their collective chops! It’s about time to let the dogs out. Tear ‘em up boys!
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Gabbert made some nice throws. They look like a better team than they did in London. ED cousin looks good at TE.
Rams defense has to get pressure and mix he coverage. They have to catch the INT chances too.
Good to have Watkins occupy Peterson. After watching and reading I expect the Cardinals to be fired up. Goff and Co have to put on the pedal and not stop.
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I think a lot of you guys give opposing teams too much credit for motivation. Yes, we beat the Cards like red-headed gingers, and they want payback..
Who cares?
The Rams are 8-3 and guaranteed of a non-losing season for the first time in years. AND we have been waiting even more years for a winning season. Older Rams like Saffold, Quinn, McQuaide etc...have never experienced 8-8 and they sure as hail never were winners for the Rams. We have some FA's that experienced winning elsewhere and some of the rooks came from winning college programs I'm sure. THIS team isn't about reading their own press, they want to be winners. I am sure Saffold and Quinn are telling guys how long it's been, and they can clinch a winning season on Sunday in Phoenix vs a division rival. Ain't no way the Rams are going to lose, and will cover the spread doing it. Let's make poor flv the bookie, poor, boys!
Who cares?
The Rams are 8-3 and guaranteed of a non-losing season for the first time in years. AND we have been waiting even more years for a winning season. Older Rams like Saffold, Quinn, McQuaide etc...have never experienced 8-8 and they sure as hail never were winners for the Rams. We have some FA's that experienced winning elsewhere and some of the rooks came from winning college programs I'm sure. THIS team isn't about reading their own press, they want to be winners. I am sure Saffold and Quinn are telling guys how long it's been, and they can clinch a winning season on Sunday in Phoenix vs a division rival. Ain't no way the Rams are going to lose, and will cover the spread doing it. Let's make poor flv the bookie, poor, boys!
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Common sense and a modicum of NFL knowledge would tell me that the Rams-Cards is the best late game...WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG...If you live in So. Oregon, the best late game will be the clash of the Titans...Correct, I'll be stuck with the POS Giants @ POS Faders...Oh, geez, give me a fucking break...I can only hope the local Fox heirarchy changes their mind...Of course the chance of that is about the same as me winning the lottery that I didn't enter...
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Hahaha yeah OK, you have a losing record without Palmer under center.
Some 7-9 bullshit!!!
[/QUOTE]="The Ramowl, post: 996022, member: 2260"]Also, McVay and Wade now have a full game worth of footage of what Gabbert does well. I wouldn't bet on him having the same success with the same plays next week.[/QUOTE]
And a checkdown passer is playing a FAST 3-4 defense. It's not going to go his way.
Yet coaches and GM's end up doing it a lot. Especially with QB's.
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Grats for you.
I'm stuck with CAR at NO... /sigh It's a good game, no doubt, but I really, REALLY enjoyed watching the Rams on regular TV.
I gotta tell ya that I'm really rethinking the whole DirecTV thing...
I'd still rather have a streaming option, but... /sigh. I dunno.
Hopefully, the NFL will figure this out soon.
TEAM STREAMING PACKAGES...
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1 pm: Lions@Ravens or Patriots@Bills - boring
4 pm: Panthers@Saints - might be good
8:20 pm: Eagles@Seahawks - there you go
4 pm: Panthers@Saints - might be good
8:20 pm: Eagles@Seahawks - there you go
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