Vent thread

[FrantikRam]

I'm usually tough on Goff - I hated the decisions he made on the 3rd and 4th down plays, but I ultimately don't know what McVay may have told him so I'm not going to act like I know who is at fault.

The penalities on us were legit but they missed several holds on the Jets which was frustrating - having $50 million tied up in Brock, AShawn, AD and Floyd is pointless if teams will be allowed to hold us like this.

I like how Goff bounced back and that McVay stayed committed to the run.

Everett and Akers drops were killers in the first half.

I'm only holding the defense responsible for 17 points, but I still feel like they let us down more than the offense - no game changing plays and struggled to get off the field. The 3rd down to clinch the game sent me into a blind rage, which is the first time the defense has done that to me this year.

McVay is calling plays to protect the OL and Goff. Goff ranks near the bottom of the league in air yards, and a game like today sort of shows why that is. Goff is the QB next year for sure, so we need to upgrade the OL and add a deep threat.

Were already over the cap, so IMO were going to have a choice:

Gut the defense to attempt to get back to our 2018 offense/defense, or run it back and pray.

Letting all FAs walk and seeing what the cap savings Brock and AShawn would likely get us some wiggle room. Acquire a big time guard - whatever it takes - go heavy on offense in the draft to supplement OL and find a deep threat.

 

[Rams77]

This was a carbon copy of the last Niners game. The interior DLine collapsing the pocket hurrying Goff and making him process faster than he feels comfortable doing. Unfortunately Goff is one of those QBs that doesn't like to be hurried-what a shocker. We need to improve the interior of this OLine big time-especially at Center. Blythe is horrible. I also cant stand Everett. Time to move on from him and Reynolds and find ourselves a deep threat that can win some one on ones or maybe Jefferson can be that guy. Goff is still a question mark to me in year 5.

 

[dieterbrock]

And THAT'S why they're the fucking Jets.

Stupidest fucking team ever... and I'm including the Browns all those years and us during our dark days.

I feel bad for the fans, but I'm laughing HARD at the Jets as an organization.

They DESERVE to be bad.

And this isn't any year. In a year when you have the chance to get a Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck, you don't adhere to the normal "you play to win the game"

You don't take one Pyrrhic victory at the cost of a potentially fruitful decade of being competitive.

Well, *I* don't.

Apparently the Jets ownership is thrilled to be complete shit.

Good for them.

And the Jags fans are about to blow up Sam Darnold's charity b/c they understand.

In the 2020s there's nothing worse in sport than being a Jets fan. Nothing.

Going to Jacksonville is the worst thing that could have ever happened to Lawrence, why on earth that's viewed as a preferred landing spot is beyond me.
But again, I dont think coaches and players will lose on purpose. The Colts sure didnt when they drafted Manning and Luck. Each year they had the number 1 overall locked up and won 2 of their last 3 games to jeopardize it.
Because the players still play

 

[FrantikRam]

It was going to be open. And Goff loves Kupp. So it doesn't make a lick of sense to me that Goff would go rogue and throw a deep ball over going to his security blanket unless the play made Everett the primary read.

I'm just telling you what McVay said. Plus, this offense has struggled throwing deep this year so I really doubt Everett would have been the primary in that situation. The Chiefs game that play was on a first down - completely different situation - so I'm not using that as any sort of measuring stick

 

[kurtfaulk]

Exactly. I played QB all the way through HS. As every coach has always said “if your primary read isn’t there take what the defense gives you”. What annoys me is that Goff is going backwards. In that situation to just up and chuck it twice is a cop out. In either situation the receiver would have had to make a great play on the ball to make a catch due to great coverage. In that situation unless a guy is wide open-especially the 4th down play you have to progress to your underneath route and get the first down.

something you see wrs and tes do in every game every week. everett was backing away from the ball. backing away. fuck that for a joke.

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[jrry32]

McVay made the call, and Goff recognized that Cam Aikers was one on one, so it may have seemed like the best option. But why make a rookie running back your number one option to make a great catch? I'm not saying Aiker's can't run that route, but it's not like he's done it a lot this year. Should have just run the ball twice for 4 yards. IMHO.

I agree. Or thrown a short route to Kupp. But McVay called the plays. Fault Goff for not going away from McVay's call, but McVay shouldn't escape criticism for it.

kupp was open but he stopped a yard short of the marker and there was a defender within a yard of him. if goff throws the ball to him the defender may have stopped him short of the sticks.

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It was a whip route. He cut inside, stopped, and exploded out towards the sideline. He would have been open.

Exactly. I played QB all the way through HS. As every coach has always said “if your primary read isn’t there take what the defense gives you”. What annoys me is that Goff is going backwards. In that situation to just up and chuck it twice is a cop out. In either situation the receiver would have had to make a great play on the ball to make a catch due to great coverage. In that situation unless a guy is wide open-especially the 4th down play you have to progress to your underneath route and get the first down.

But the primary read was there on the 4th and 4 play. That was the matchup to target on that play. You're expecting a QB to go away from what he's taught. And yes, that is a fault of Goff's at this stage. He's too rigid in the scheme. But ultimately, McVay should have called better plays.

 

[jacktheripper85]

Going to Jacksonville is the worst thing that could have ever happened to Lawrence, why on earth that's viewed as a preferred landing spot is beyond me.
But again, I dont think coaches and players will lose on purpose. The Colts sure didnt when they drafted Manning and Luck. Each year they had the number 1 overall locked up and won 2 of their last 3 games to jeopardize it.
Because the players still play

I’m with you. Jacksonville market over NYC with his talent? Fuck that. This kid could have owned the town like Namath and Jets would have had their pick of coaches in the offseason. Instead this kid gets stuck in crappy Jacksonville with an owner who has a shithead son who meddles so much that anyone with a lick of talent acts like the biggest asshole so they can get shipped out. If I’m Lawrence I’m pissed as shit right now. I’d go back to school.

 

[jrry32]

I'm just telling you what McVay said. Plus, this offense has struggled throwing deep this year so I really doubt Everett would have been the primary in that situation. The Chiefs game that play was on a first down - completely different situation - so I'm not using that as any sort of measuring stick

Ask yourself which makes more sense: (1) Goff passed up an open Cooper Kupp underneath, who was his primary read, for a deep ball to Everett or (2) Goff saw the matchup he was supposed to take with the primary read, didn't come off to the secondary read, which was an easier throw, and chucked it to his primary.

 

[Memento]

I just don't know what to think of Goff. He's good for at least an interception or forced fumble a game, and some of the mental plays he's made are inexcusable. But he has a hell of an accurate arm, and given time, can carve up a defense. I just don't know. I know we can't ditch him until 2022. I'm high on Sam Howell, as people probably know.

And yeah, the coaches were atrocious this game (especially, especially, Bonamego, who needs to be fired five minutes ago). McVay called a shit game. We need a serious upgrade at center. Maybe Corbett takes that job. Maybe we draft a center who can handle a bullrush? Who knows?

We should've taken Mims like I wanted. He was the perfect fit for our team. I hated the Van Jefferson pick when it was made because Mims was still on the board. I'm really starting to hate it now, especially given that we lack the two things Mims would've given us: a deep threat and a big body willing to go up and get the ball (by the way, fuck you, Everett, for your pathetic attempt at going up for the deep ball on the last play). I think it's going to cast a shadow over this team for a very long time. Jefferson isn't a bad player, but he's not going to be the answer to those woes and likely never will be.

I'm not going to make a mock (like @jrry32 said to me, don't mock angry). But I'm pissed, and I'll likely stay pissed until we play the Hags. This was a game we should've won, even with all of the terrible play. We were in it. We had a long field goal, and Gay could've made it and tied the game. We didn't have to go for the deep shot twice. It's a frustrating loss, and it'll be on my mind for some time.

(Also, this is a hell of a strong quarterback class. Even if the Jets don't get Lawrence, there's still Fields (Ohio State), Wilson (BYU), Lance (North Dakota State), and Trask (Florida) who will all be first round quarterbacks.)

 

[FrantikRam]

I'll be taking a football sabbatical until next Sunday.

Rooting interests:

Cardinals/Niners - if Cards win, we clinch a playoff spot as it would eliminate the possibility of getting into a 3 way tie with them and the Bears/Bucs

Bears/Jaguars - if the Bears lose it would accomplish the same thing

Seahawks can now clinch the division next week - we'd have to win both games. Wildcard is more likely, but who knows - I feel like losing the last two games is possible now.

 

[jrry32]

I’m with you. Jacksonville market over NYC with his talent? Fuck that. This kid could have owned the town like Namath and Jets would have had their pick of coaches in the offseason. Instead this kid gets stuck in crappy Jacksonville with an owner who has a shithead son who meddles so much that anyone with a lick of talent acts like the biggest asshole so they can get shipped out. If I’m Lawrence I’m pissed as shit right now. I’d go back to school.

If I'm Lawrence, I'm excited. He's a Southern kid who has spent his life in TN, GA, and SC. The Jaguars have better talent than the Jets. I'd much rather go to Jacksonville than the Jets.

 

[Kevin]

I dont think being aggressive to Akers was a terrible decision, but was it the RIGHT decision?? What do you think happens if he throws to Reynolds here?



What do you honestly think happens if he puts that ball on Reynold's body Deiter?

But yea it's a bad play call by McVay right?

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Goff is already throwing the ball. He can’t change his mind midthrow and throw to Woods instead.

 

[BigRamFan]

I definitely know though I don't want to move on from McVey Goff I'm getting nervous about very nervous. It's crunch time now not only for this season butoving forward in general.

It's McVay for goodness sake. If you're gonna complain this much at least spell it properly.

 

[dieterbrock]

I'm just telling you what McVay said. Plus, this offense has struggled throwing deep this year so I really doubt Everett would have been the primary in that situation. The Chiefs game that play was on a first down - completely different situation - so I'm not using that as any sort of measuring stick

He's talking about Everett as the primary look with Kupp as the back up route, 1:10 mark is where he defends the calls,

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7k0cbgncak

 

[jacktheripper85]

I agree. Or thrown a short route to Kupp. But McVay called the plays. Fault Goff for not going away from McVay's call, but McVay shouldn't escape criticism for it.



It was a whip route. He cut inside, stopped, and exploded out towards the sideline. He would have been open.



But the primary read was there on the 4th and 4 play. That was the matchup to target on that play. You're expecting a QB to go away from what he's taught. And yes, that is a fault of Goff's at this stage. He's too rigid in the scheme. But ultimately, McVay should have called better plays.

I get it and I guess we can agree to disagree. I’m not absolving McVay but Goff went with his first read decisively on both throws and neither guy was open I mean..not going through progressions on either play call in that situation? Like I said, I like Goff but bad decision making and taking the easy way out on both those throws. In that situation you need to hang in the pocket till the last split second till someone breaks open for the first down.

 

[FrantikRam]

Ask yourself which makes more sense: (1) Goff passed up an open Cooper Kupp underneath, who was his primary read, for a deep ball to Everett or (2) Goff saw the matchup he was supposed to take with the primary read, didn't come off to the secondary ready, which was an easier throw, and chucked it to his primary.

I don't trust Goff to make good decisions consistently - so...yea.

FWIW, Everett was open - if Goff gets a little more air under that ball we probably win. But that's a tough throw so I'm not bashing Goff for that by any means, and because it's a low percentage throw I think it was a bad decision. I know some on here mentioned Everett could have played it better, which I agree with, but the defender got his hand on the ball and Everett had to slow down - contested catches aren't his game (or anyones on this team which is an issue)

 

[Rams77]

One more thing to add to this miserable vent thread- Darnold looks like he could become a better QB than Goff. He’s got those intangibles that you cant teach and evades pressure very nicely. He escaped like 3 sacks by AD today. We should see if he could be available by trade this offseason. The Jets will sell low on him. Put him in McVays system/play action and he can become an excellent QB. He didn’t make any bad decisions today and totally outplayed Goff

 

[FrantikRam]

He's talking about Everett as the primary look with Kupp as the back up route, 1:10 mark is where he defends the calls,

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7k0cbgncak

I took that differently - because he said "if we didn't like that" after talking about Kupp underneath, makes me think Kupp was the primary

 

[jrry32]

I don't trust Goff to make good decisions consistently - so...yea.

FWIW, Everett was open - if Goff gets a little more air under that ball we probably win. But that's a tough throw so I'm not bashing Goff for that by any means, and because it's a low percentage throw I think it was a bad decision. I know some on here mentioned Everett could have played it better, which I agree with, but the defender got his hand on the ball and Everett had to slow down - contested catches aren't his game (or anyones on this team which is an issue)

I'm not asking if you trust Goff to make good decisions. I'm asking if you think he's going to go away from Cooper Kupp when he's his primary read and open. We both know the answer is know. There's a solid argument that Goff not looking for Kupp before chucking it to Everett, even with Everett as his primary read, is a bad decision. But there isn't a good argument imo that Goff decided to come off Kupp and chuck it to a secondary read.

 

[dieterbrock]

Ask yourself which makes more sense: (1) Goff passed up an open Cooper Kupp underneath, who was his primary read, for a deep ball to Everett or (2) Goff saw the matchup he was supposed to take with the primary read, didn't come off to the secondary read, which was an easier throw, and chucked it to his primary.

He clearly says Everett was the route with Kupp underneath.
He makes no indication of having 2nd thoughts about just getting the 1st down, and doesnt even suggest kicking a FG was an option,
He actually says Goff played good, brought the team down the field for several scoring drives.
alas, folks will hear what they choose to hear

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7k0cbgncak