VENT Vent Thread: Eagles at Rams

[Loyal]

Not much to vent about. They just ran into a wagon. The Eagles are just a bigger, more physical team on both sides of the ball. They will give Detroit fits, although losing Graham is a huge blow to them.

Lick your wounds and move on. And I hope the front office remembers this game during the offseason when trying to continue this team build. You have to beat teams like that to get another ring.

We seem to want fast team play , but then lose to physical teams that punch us in the mouth. We don't have enough maulers on either line

 

[gogoat1]

Its all about the O line baby.
A stud O linemen should be picked in rounds 1-4 most years.
Keep the talent coming. Good O line and your QB has time and your RB has holes.
Watching our backup RT was sickening last night.
WE HAVE the talented young D line now. Nice job McSnead.
Now concentrate on the offensive line while Stafford is still great. Don't let him down.

 

[badnews]

The eagles did to us what almost everyone other than us said they would do. It wasn't pretty and 37 is a lot of points.
But this is one of the most over the top vent threads I can remember. Maybe because I mostly ignore them lately but still....
Those who are so upset the sky is falling and so now they are talking crazy shit about blowing it all up and how awful we are, etc.
Why it's funny is because this team was NEVER supposed to be competitive last season nor this one. The "blow up" already happened and the roster was staffed with late round picks and UDFAs. That's why most projections had us winning 4 games last season.
It is ONLY because of one amazing draft last season and a wild but super lucky late run to the playoffs that there's been any playoff expectations for this team.
Unfortunately we haven't had the same luck we did a year ago.
The greatest player ever retired and injuries destroyed any real chance at contending for much of the year. Still.... we had a second consecutive amazing draft class and the previous 2 together have loaded us up with great young talent on cheap rookie contracts and they will only improve with time. Next years team will be better than this years and if not for multiple injuries at certain positions, this years squad would've been better than last years. With some breathing room under the salary cap and some future draft picks to possibly deal, I think they will be aggressive about upgrading the OT position through both FA and the draft. Maybe all CBs and offensive weapons after that.

Irregardless of what happens next year- this one ain't over yet. If the Rams, especially these Rams, have taught us anything, it's that a game or season isn't ever over until it is actually over.

 

[ottoman89]

Rams have a problem, and they have for a while now under McVay, in taking too long to make roster depth chart moves. When it comes to WR or QB McVay is a total hardass. But with some other positions he puts on the kid gloves, and those are the positions that have given him the most heartache. Those being OL and RB.

Bottom line is Williams has a fucking fumbling problem. Teams know it. Defenses know it. They prepare for it now and it's going to exacerbate the issue. That fumble killed us on that first drive. It was a huge momentum swing in a game where we could not fucking afford any sort of momentum swing. They had no room for error vs that roster.

And they trot his ass right back out there. WTF. Where is the fucking leadership from that staff. What does that tell Corum he is worth. It was some hot bullshit.

Going forward they need to get Corum fucking ready. I keep saying this. Williams is not a bellcow. He also is going to get hurt. Not like it matters now, as this team is so damn flawed they're not gonna do shit in the playoffs even if they get in. But by now they should have a 50/50 competition going between these guys. And Williams should not be vastly in the lead when he's putting the fucking ball on the ground.

AMEN!!

 

[Allen2McVay]

The eagles did to us what almost everyone other than us said they would do. It wasn't pretty and 37 is a lot of points.
But this is one of the most over the top vent threads I can remember. Maybe because I mostly ignore them lately but still....
Those who are so upset the sky is falling and so now they are talking crazy shit about blowing it all up and how awful we are, etc.
Why it's funny is because this team was NEVER supposed to be competitive last season nor this one. The "blow up" already happened and the roster was staffed with late round picks and UDFAs. That's why most projections had us winning 4 games last season.
It is ONLY because of one amazing draft last season and a wild but super lucky late run to the playoffs that there's been any playoff expectations for this team.
Unfortunately we haven't had the same luck we did a year ago.
The greatest player ever retired and injuries destroyed any real chance at contending for much of the year. Still.... we had a second consecutive amazing draft class and the previous 2 together have loaded us up with great young talent on cheap rookie contracts and they will only improve with time. Next years team will be better than this years and if not for multiple injuries at certain positions, this years squad would've been better than last years. With some breathing room under the salary cap and some future draft picks to possibly deal, I think they will be aggressive about upgrading the OT position through both FA and the draft. Maybe all CBs and offensive weapons after that.

Irregardless of what happens next year- this one ain't over yet. If the Rams, especially these Rams, have taught us anything, it's that a game or season isn't ever over until it is actually over.

Why don't you just Get Lost!

Take your mature perspective, sound logic and honesty ... and Take a Hike Buddy!!!

This is no place for "People" like you, with your objective, well-thought-out reasoning!

Damn Trouble-Maker!!

 

[WestCoastRam]

It's not just did the oline play well, did the oline pass protect. To steal a phrase from Robert Mays, we are at the point where we can ask: Did the Rams have a good season? Well, was their oline able to pass protect this season.

In pure passing downs our oline has been pretty putrid.

Get that take care of and I think you can squeeze a bit more juice out of Stafford and MAYBE even Kupp. A true X threat at receiver might be able to help too as it would back the defense off the line of scrimmage a bit.

 

[WestCoastRam]

One thing to think about: Eagles were still figuring things out on defense beginning of the season and had injuries on offense. This is becoming a complete team and we got them right when it was happening.

Rams are outside looking in on playoffs but this was not a team they were going to beat. Right up there with the Lions now (with a chance to be better than them by end of season).

 

[Jacobarch]

I came into last nights game thinking this would turn out like last years Ravens game. I figured we would ultimately lose the game but it would be in the 4th quarter because our defense would probably be tired and they would lean on our smaller Dline.

We all saw the same game, so I’ll keep it brief. The reality is, against top-tier talent, the Rams just aren’t in the same league this year. We’re lacking key pieces at critical positions—cornerback, inside linebacker, a dominant run stuffing defensive tackle, and an offensive line that can stay healthy. I believe the O-line has potential when healthy, but with aging veterans like Hav, and a stopgap left tackle in A. Jackson, we’re not in a strong position to compete against teams with elite lines on either side of the ball.

The Rams need to play a perfect game to win, and that’s the issue. No team plays perfect football, but the top teams have the depth and resilience to overcome adversity. Unfortunately, the Rams don’t have that this year.

Realistically, we're a .500 team. Good enough to beat teams with similar or lesser records, but not strong enough to take down the elite squads. I expect we’ll finish somewhere around 8-9 or 9-8. And by the way, Minnesota is not a top-tier team—they’ll get exposed in the playoffs.

Glaring Issues:​

• 1 punt forced in the last two games (none against Philly)
• 0-8 on third downs on offense
• Predictable playcalling on both offense and defense
• Poor containment against mobile QBs (is this a game plan issue?)
• Weakness in the box against the run
• Inconsistent kicking—Evans I'm looking at you, shanked a punt in each of the last two games
• Significant money tied up in players who either aren’t performing or aren’t playing at all

As a long-time Rams fan, it’s hard to say this, but when coaches are on the hot seat, it’s often because of seasons like this one. If McVay has another season like this next year, he’ll likely be gone. I hate to say it, but it’s the reality of the business. While I respect McVay and what he’s done for the team, his unwillingness to adapt to the way defenses have adjusted to his offense is creating a strong case for a change. Additionally, the Rams 3rd down problems have been an issue for years and years. Even when we had our vaunted 21' defense, we still had major issues on 3rd downs.

It’s tough, but sometimes a fresh perspective is what a coach needs to grow. Look at Andy Reid—after struggling with the Eagles for years even though they were playoff contenders, his failure to win the SB ultimately got him replaced and he then went on to build a dynasty with the Chiefs. Why? Because he evolved. I hope McVay doesn’t face the same fate, but given his youth and stubbornness, it wouldn’t surprise me if this is ultimately the direction things are heading.

 

[WestCoastRam]

I came into last nights game thinking this would turn out like last years Ravens game. I figured we would ultimately lose the game but it would be in the 4th quarter because our defense would probably be tired and they would lean on our smaller Dline.

We all saw the same game, so I’ll keep it brief. The reality is, against top-tier talent, the Rams just aren’t in the same league this year. We’re lacking key pieces at critical positions—cornerback, inside linebacker, a dominant run stuffing defensive tackle, and an offensive line that can stay healthy. I believe the O-line has potential when healthy, but with aging veterans like Hav, and a stopgap left tackle in A. Jackson, we’re not in a strong position to compete against teams with elite lines on either side of the ball.

The Rams need to play a perfect game to win, and that’s the issue. No team plays perfect football, but the top teams have the depth and resilience to overcome adversity. Unfortunately, the Rams don’t have that this year.

Realistically, we're a .500 team. Good enough to beat teams with similar or lesser records, but not strong enough to take down the elite squads. I expect we’ll finish somewhere around 8-9 or 9-8. And by the way, Minnesota is not a top-tier team—they’ll get exposed in the playoffs.

Glaring Issues:​

• 1 punt forced in the last two games (none against Philly)
• 0-8 on third downs on offense
• Predictable playcalling on both offense and defense
• Poor containment against mobile QBs (is this a game plan issue?)
• Weakness in the box against the run
• Inconsistent kicking—Evans I'm looking at you, shanked a punt in each of the last two games
• Significant money tied up in players who either aren’t performing or aren’t playing at all

As a long-time Rams fan, it’s hard to say this, but when coaches are on the hot seat, it’s often because of seasons like this one. If McVay has another season like this next year, he’ll likely be gone. I hate to say it, but it’s the reality of the business. While I respect McVay and what he’s done for the team, his unwillingness to adapt to the way defenses have adjusted to his offense is creating a strong case for a change. Additionally, the Rams 3rd down problems have been an issue for years and years. Even when we had our vaunted 21' defense, we still had major issues on 3rd downs.

It’s tough, but sometimes a fresh perspective is what a coach needs to grow. Look at Andy Reid—after struggling with the Eagles for years even though they were playoff contenders, his failure to win the SB ultimately got him replaced and he then went on to build a dynasty with the Chiefs. Why? Because he evolved. I hope McVay doesn’t face the same fate, but given his youth and stubbornness, it wouldn’t surprise me if this is ultimately the direction things are heading.

I think there's a lot of good stuff in this post but I have to disagree that McVay is on the hot seat. Offensive line injuries and losing the best player in football (not a QB) have set us back from last year, no McVay.

In fact, I think the success we had last year gave people a false sense of what this team was, we have a number of holes, I don't think it's a scheme thing per se, it's an injury and lack of talent thing. Scheme is what made this team what it was last year scheme and hero ball Stafford is what made this team compete when we had the most injuries this year, we really would be a 3-8 team otherwise.

 

[PhillyRam]

Yeah sounds good. This is a two year order...at least.

Nearly $60M in cap room, 4 picks in the top 120 (maybe more with trade downs), and they could address a lot of these needs.

 

[PhillyRam]

I came into last nights game thinking this would turn out like last years Ravens game. I figured we would ultimately lose the game but it would be in the 4th quarter because our defense would probably be tired and they would lean on our smaller Dline.

We all saw the same game, so I’ll keep it brief. The reality is, against top-tier talent, the Rams just aren’t in the same league this year. We’re lacking key pieces at critical positions—cornerback, inside linebacker, a dominant run stuffing defensive tackle, and an offensive line that can stay healthy. I believe the O-line has potential when healthy, but with aging veterans like Hav, and a stopgap left tackle in A. Jackson, we’re not in a strong position to compete against teams with elite lines on either side of the ball.

The Rams need to play a perfect game to win, and that’s the issue. No team plays perfect football, but the top teams have the depth and resilience to overcome adversity. Unfortunately, the Rams don’t have that this year.

Realistically, we're a .500 team. Good enough to beat teams with similar or lesser records, but not strong enough to take down the elite squads. I expect we’ll finish somewhere around 8-9 or 9-8. And by the way, Minnesota is not a top-tier team—they’ll get exposed in the playoffs.

Glaring Issues:​

• 1 punt forced in the last two games (none against Philly)
• 0-8 on third downs on offense
• Predictable playcalling on both offense and defense
• Poor containment against mobile QBs (is this a game plan issue?)
• Weakness in the box against the run
• Inconsistent kicking—Evans I'm looking at you, shanked a punt in each of the last two games
• Significant money tied up in players who either aren’t performing or aren’t playing at all

As a long-time Rams fan, it’s hard to say this, but when coaches are on the hot seat, it’s often because of seasons like this one. If McVay has another season like this next year, he’ll likely be gone. I hate to say it, but it’s the reality of the business. While I respect McVay and what he’s done for the team, his unwillingness to adapt to the way defenses have adjusted to his offense is creating a strong case for a change. Additionally, the Rams 3rd down problems have been an issue for years and years. Even when we had our vaunted 21' defense, we still had major issues on 3rd downs.

It’s tough, but sometimes a fresh perspective is what a coach needs to grow. Look at Andy Reid—after struggling with the Eagles for years even though they were playoff contenders, his failure to win the SB ultimately got him replaced and he then went on to build a dynasty with the Chiefs. Why? Because he evolved. I hope McVay doesn’t face the same fate, but given his youth and stubbornness, it wouldn’t surprise me if this is ultimately the direction things are heading.

Nonsense in regards to McVay.

You have some good and obvious points.

Otherwise, as to money committed to players not playing well or who are not on the roster, that's not uncommon. Hell, the Eagles lead the league in dead cap money. Over $60M this year in dead $$, and they handed out a big $50M contract to Huff and $5M to Devin White. One is gone and the other has made zero impact this year and is now on IR.

So that issue is overstated.

 

[RamFanWA]

I am sure that the Eagles are on a mission....
2023 playoffs, they go to Tampa and lay an egg.
They were 0-9 on 3rd downs and put the ball on the ground twice.
They kicked 3 field goals and lost 32-9.

They weren't going to let some scrappy team like the rams get in their way this year.

 

[Merlin]

It’s tough, but sometimes a fresh perspective is what a coach needs to grow. Look at Andy Reid—after struggling with the Eagles for years even though they were playoff contenders, his failure to win the SB ultimately got him replaced and he then went on to build a dynasty with the Chiefs. Why? Because he evolved. I hope McVay doesn’t face the same fate, but given his youth and stubbornness, it wouldn’t surprise me if this is ultimately the direction things are heading.

I don't think fans understand the dynamic with McVay and the Rams ownership and front office. They were rumored to be willing to let him take a year off if he wanted to. McVay is a rare example of a head coach whose quality makes the rules fly out the window.

So if McVay ends up parting ways this offseason with the Rams it will be due to his unhappiness with the roster. And that would be an acknowledgement that it requires more work and struggle than he's willing to endure. Because if he takes a break he gets time with the family and then can make his pick of damn near any team and situation the following year.

What I expect is going to happen is he will trim his staff again. It will have the BS spin you get from the Rams on the great opportunities they're all leaving to go get, but it will be McVay getting rid of guys who weren't good enough. Here's my bet on who will be gone:

OL Coach Wendell. Nothing against ol' Hagrid, but the Rams are going to be pissed off about this OL performance this year and he's the MFIC of the unit. Also McVay has been flirting around with Munchak for a couple years now, who is a hundred times more qualified to run an OL for a top team like the Rams. I expect McVay will make this official and hire Munchak.

ST Coach Blackburn. He seems like a great dude and all but our special teams have been consistently underwhelming under him. Only one game in my memory where they actually made a big difference in the result. Our young kicker has regressed and looks like shit now. Our return teams suck ass as per usual. Time to add a new ST Coach and maybe he'll be smart enough to jump on the fucking table during the draft to add a RETURNER who isn't going to have a major role on offense or defense.

Looking at the secondary any of those coaches might get the boot, but what should protect them is the fact this roster isn't all that talented. Beake should be the most worried because the safeties have sucked in anything other than near the LOS type usage, but then again how much of that is him. Idk. So not gonna say there will be a firing here but I wouldn't be comfortable if I'm any of them.

Same goes for TE. The coach for that room has a pile of JAGs on his hands.

RB honestly I can't blame the coach for Williams' continued lack of a handle on the ball, but I do blame him for not pushing Corum in the game on subsequent possessions following the fumbles. A little bench time does wonders for a player's mentality when it comes to fucking up. But I think the RB position has been well coached so I figure he's safe.

 

[Jacobarch]

I think there's a lot of good stuff in this post but I have to disagree that McVay is on the hot seat. Offensive line injuries and losing the best player in football (not a QB) have set us back from last year, no McVay.

In fact, I think the success we had last year gave people a false sense of what this team was, we have a number of holes, I don't think it's a scheme thing per se, it's an injury and lack of talent thing. Scheme is what made this team what it was last year scheme and hero ball Stafford is what made this team compete when we had the most injuries this year, we really would be a 3-8 team otherwise.

I never said he was "on the hot seat" I said, it's seasons like this that put coaches on the hot seat. I also said that if the Rams have a repeat year next year where they underperform expectations he'll likely be gone. Obviously these are my opinions but I have a feeling ownership expects a top tier team in LA every year.

 

[Allen2McVay]

... 4 picks in the top 120 (maybe more with trade downs) ...

Unfortunately, I believe the Rams have just three selections before the sixth round.

With comp picks at the end of rounds 3, 4 and 5, there are usually about 175 players taken before Round 6.

That would give the Rams just 3 picks in the top-175 or higher.

 

[Memento]

Unfortunately, I believe the Rams have just three selections before the sixth round.

With comp picks at the end of rounds 3, 4 and 5, there are usually about 175 players taken before Round 6.

That would give the Rams just 3 picks in the top-175 or higher.

We have a fourth-round pick, just not a fifth (and an extra pick from the Steelers in the sixth with the Dotson trade, along with other trades. We don't have a seventh, though.). And two teams ahead of us (Atlanta and San Fran) have had a fifth-round pick of theirs forfeited for violations.

 

[DzRams]

Nearly $60M in cap room, 4 picks in the top 120 (maybe more with trade downs), and they could address a lot of these needs.

Yes, they have a lot of cap room but as we've seen, only some of the free agent signings work out. I'm not assuming a 100% batting average on successful free agent signing.

In the draft, here is where realistically each of your identified needs would have to be targeted:

Stud LT - 1st round pick
Stud CB - 1st to 2nd round pick
Speed/Size WR - 1st to 2nd round pick
Dynamic RB - 1st to 2nd round pick
Speed/Size MLB - 3rd round pick
Big play TE - 2nd to 4th round pick

Also, none of this addresses the fact that ALL of our offensive linemen, with the exception of AJ, are better at run blocking than pass protection. So even if we filled all of these needs, we'd still struggle to protect Stafford.

 

[Corbin]

I would be very surprised if Simmons the OT from Ohio State dropped that far.

Yeah pff has him like top 15. That’s my point, no one and I mean no one knows where anybody is going to be ranked as of right now, even though they act like they know wtf they are talking about year in and year out. It’s totally up in the air, I will say this is a hell of an OT as it’s panning out as far as talent. Same with CB. And I dare say we need plenty of both.

 

[Allen2McVay]

We have a fourth-round pick, just not a fifth (and an extra pick from the Steelers in the sixth with the Dotson trade, along with other trades. We don't have a seventh, though.). And two teams ahead of us (Atlanta and San Fran) have had a fifth-round pick of theirs forfeited for violations.

Yes, a 4th ... and a 1st and 3rd.

That's it before Round Six. Three draft choices in the top-175.

 

[Memento]

Yes, a 4th ... and a 1st and 3rd.

That's it before Round Six. Three draft choices in the top-175.

Two thirds: we have a compensatory third for Raheem Morris joining the Falcons. It'll be the last compensatory pick for that signing we have.