Tutu not likely to re-sign

[El Chapo Jr]

Ultimately it takes a player to want to be coached and to be able to learn. And sometimes you just have to follow the age old wisdom and in the end it's nobody's fault just move on.

The only message I got from the post is to get the whiskey.... sounds like a plan!

 

[dieterbrock]

Cooks but that was for an entirely different reason but just had to include for the heck of it

Yeah I was going to put him in as an obvious exception, alas….
Point remains, when McVay dumps a wr it’s pretty much over

 

[fearsomefour]

The only message I got from the post is to get the whiskey.... sounds like a plan!

When all else fails.....or even when it doesn't.

 

[Tano]

Yeah I was going to put him in as an obvious exception, alas….
Point remains, when McVay dumps a wr it’s pretty much over

Woods hasn't done too bad with Houston

 

[OldSchool]

and there is the circular conversation I was talking about.
I will take a Johnny Walker Blue please, neat.

Whistlepig 12 year rye personally.

I guess in the end it's a question of tempermant. Some of us prefer not to brood on missed picks or assign blame to everything. We're all Rams fans who I think enjoy players and coaches. I tend to stick up more for the GM and the HC and coaches because we have rarely had good ones in those positions. We've had countless good players who couldn't carry a team to the title. But we've only had a few good coaches and GM and being so rare I think they deserve more loyalty and more benefit of the doubt than players who haven't lived up to their hype or billing. So I'll take whatever label whoever wants to give it to me but I'll take the Rams and their chosen leaders over any draft pick or free agent.

 

[dieterbrock]

Maybe, maybe not.
Im not from the school of thought as any coach being beyond question. That seems to be a theme on here sometimes.
Question anything they do and somehow you should be shit on.
Time will tell, as it always does.
Kupp may be totally washed or he might end up hoisting a trophy with someone else.....who knows?
McVay has eluded to not using him enough.
So it goes.

He doesn’t get more playing time because of what the coaches see in practice. So when he gets rare opportunities, it takes the defense by surprise.
Questioning McVay ability is mind boggling.
Tutu has speed and not much else. McVay got the most out of him

 

[OldSchool]

So who has done well after he let them go?

Seem to remember this conversation you and I started with somebody before and the only thing anybody could come up with was Bradin Cooks had a decent year or two. But I don't think any body we've traded or cut ever went on to have a Pro Bowl caliber year, from this regime of course.

 

[fearsomefour]

Yeah I was going to put him in as an obvious exception, alas….
Point remains, when McVay dumps a wr it’s pretty much over

I would classify Cooks differently as he was already an established, 1000 yard receiver when he came to the Rams.
He was developed already.
I was shocked, like most, when the Rams moved on from Woods.
Same with James L at MLB.
Neither has done a thing post cut.....I don't know if James L even played again.
There are some guys in this Rams FA class, if they do end up somewhere else, it will be interesting to me to see if they do anything.
Hoecht, Tutu, Robinson among them.

 

[dieterbrock]

Woods hasn't done too bad with Houston

He plays for Dallas the last 2 years. Keep up!
And yeah he was an obvious exception because of why he was let go. But that’s cool. Avoid the point

 

[Tano]

He plays for Dallas the last 2 years. Keep up!
And yeah he was an obvious exception because of why he was let go. But that’s cool. Avoid the point

You did say once McVay lets go of a WR they are pretty much done lol

I'm just messing with you

And Woods is with Houston from what I see

 

[fearsomefour]

He doesn’t get more playing time because of what the coaches see in practice. So when he gets rare opportunities, it takes the defense by surprise.
Questioning McVay ability is mind boggling.
Tutu has speed and not much else. McVay got the most out of him

I don't think anyone is questioning McVay's ability....its just not having a perfection/hero complex.
Hes not perfect. He is excellent, surely a top 3 coach in the league, but, not perfect.
Roles, opponents and all the rest play a role as well.
You could well be right about him going somewhere else and hanging out as a #7 receiver for a few years then existing the league. Or, he may find a role somewhere else.
As I've said the pick was strange to me and I wanted it to work for that reason.....a high draft pick with a miscast WR.
Anyway, I was pulling for Tutu and though he was, unlike Austin, who was "just" a fast guy to me, Tutu showed football skills and traits.
All that said I am VERY excited to see what Whittington can do in an expanded role in the offense.

 

[fearsomefour]

He plays for Dallas the last 2 years. Keep up!
And yeah he was an obvious exception because of why he was let go. But that’s cool. Avoid the point

Woods is on the Texans.
Cooks in Dallas.

 

[dieterbrock]

Seem to remember this conversation you and I started with somebody before and the only thing anybody could come up with was Bradin Cooks had a decent year or two. But I don't think any body we've traded or cut ever went on to have a Pro Bowl caliber year, from this regime of course.

Yep. Sammy Watkins, Josh Reynolds, Robert Woods, Tavon, Van, Allen Robinson etc etc.
all showed signs of potential greatness and then not much after being let go.
But Tutu is the guy to break that mold? Yeah, methinks not

 

[fearsomefour]

Seem to remember this conversation you and I started with somebody before and the only thing anybody could come up with was Bradin Cooks had a decent year or two. But I don't think any body we've traded or cut ever went on to have a Pro Bowl caliber year, from this regime of course.

What about Van Jefferson and Skoronic in Pittsburgh........oh......right.....

 

[dieterbrock]

I don't think anyone is questioning McVay's ability....its just not having a perfection/hero complex.
Hes not perfect. He is excellent, surely a top 3 coach in the league, but, not perfect.
Roles, opponents and all the rest play a role as well.
You could well be right about him going somewhere else and hanging out as a #7 receiver for a few years then existing the league. Or, he may find a role somewhere else.
As I've said the pick was strange to me and I wanted it to work for that reason.....a high draft pick with a miscast WR.
Anyway, I was pulling for Tutu and though he was, unlike Austin, who was "just" a fast guy to me, Tutu showed football skills and traits.
All that said I am VERY excited to see what Whittington can do in an expanded role in the offense.

I have no idea what you are trying to argue with me about. Do you?

 

[fearsomefour]

Yep. Sammy Watkins, Josh Reynolds, Robert Woods, Tavon, Van, Allen Robinson etc etc.
all showed signs of potential greatness and then not much after being let go.
But Tutu is the guy to break that mold? Yeah, methinks not

You are probably right about him not being the break out guy.
Reynolds had a couple of nice years in Detroit as a 3rd or 4th WR.
Watkins, Woods, Cooks and Robinson were all vets when they joined the Rams.
Watkins and Robinson I would say past their prime. I think McVay got good football out of Cooks and especially Woods.
As for guys the Rams have drafted and then moved on......I agree, not much there post Rams.

 

[fearsomefour]

I have no idea what you are trying to argue with me about. Do you?

Pretty clear.
Not arguing, trying to have a conversation.

 

[WestCoastRam]

Will be interesting to see what the Rams do at TE.
I think either they draft one early, first or second round and maybe trading up or down to get a gut.....or they stand pat.
I cant see them throwing more FA money into the position after Higbee and Parkinson contracts.

strong TE class so that's def a good direction to go

 

[dieterbrock]

You did say once McVay lets go of a WR they are pretty much done lol

I'm just messing with you

And Woods is with Houston from what I see

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I didn’t say they were done, i said they wouldn’t amount to much.
Like Woods, who’s on his 2nd team since the rams and if 20 catches is doing good then you clearly don’t see much.
My bad I did confuse Cooks who was the previous topic, I responded too quick for your goal post move

 

[fearsomefour]

Whistlepig 12 year rye personally.

I guess in the end it's a question of tempermant. Some of us prefer not to brood on missed picks or assign blame to everything. We're all Rams fans who I think enjoy players and coaches. I tend to stick up more for the GM and the HC and coaches because we have rarely had good ones in those positions. We've had countless good players who couldn't carry a team to the title. But we've only had a few good coaches and GM and being so rare I think they deserve more loyalty and more benefit of the doubt than players who haven't lived up to their hype or billing. So I'll take whatever label whoever wants to give it to me but I'll take the Rams and their chosen leaders over any draft pick or free agent.

I don't think anyone disagrees with that.
I certainly am of the same mind as you.
Where people lose me is the black and white thinking of....if you DARE question anything, you are somehow lesser than or doubting the coach or GM or what people fired etc. Its not an either or thing.
At that point it just becomes religion.
Might as well not be on a fan board at that point.
I think it is more interesting to have opinions on picks and players. If not, why are we here?
To blame the refs for losses?
How do you drink it?