Trey Lance has been a disappointment for the 49ers

[Elmgrovegnome]

My armchair take is that Shanny (for at least this year) should run his offense through Lance's legs much like they did in Baltimore when Lamar came in. They kind of did that yesterday but with Lance's inexperience they need to go all-in on that. They've got the pieces.

Obviously it's tough to change gears like that mid-season but it looks to me like Lance is going to get chewed up trying to be a drop back passer.

He is injured from running this weekend

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

#1 I hate the 69ers, their obnoxious fans and their evil offspring. I hope their future is full of nothing but heartbreak and disappointment.

With that said there is something special about Lance. He’s only had one full college season but he just showed a rare natural ability to lead with confidence and skill at a very young age. He was the best QB I had ever seen at the FCS level. As a JMU alumni I pay close attention to that level of college football.

There is much that needs to happen in order for Lance to progress into a good NFL QB but IMO he was definately worth the #3 pick this year.

Special traits don’t always translate to NFL success. Tebow had special traits.

Lance was extremely inexperienced for being a top three pick. This was a huge roll of the dice for Shanahan.

 

[Kupped]

Knee sprain for Lance--already. Watched all of the Cards-Niners game. Like many on here, my main thought was, "there is no way Lance is going to last an entire season playing that way." Looks like Wentz 2.0.

49ers QB Lance suffered knee sprain in 1st start

49ers rookie QB Trey Lance suffered a left knee sprain in Sunday's 17-10 loss to the Cardinals, coach Kyle Shanahan announced Monday.

www.google.com

No way would he last.

 

[So Ram]

No way would he last.

That was my view on him when I saw the RR31 game in college.He also bails out to early.Has a good skill set.

Never say never,but more than likely one of those 2 things has to change.

 

[tomas]

Tree Lance knee injury: NFL football is a dangerous game for run first QBs.

 

[Kupped]

That was my view on him when I saw the RR31 game in college.He also bails out to early.Has a good skill set.

Never say never,but more than likely one of those 2 things has to change.

Being able to combine the ability to run and throw.. to not have them be completely different things with a QB.. that, imo, is where the magic is.
Mahomes and Allen are great examples of this... they can process run and pass opportunities at the same time. Guys like Hurts are still binary, imo... run OR throw.. not saying Hurts won't get there. But not all of them do. I think Kap was an example of not getting to the next level with that.

 

[oldnotdead]

The original idea to redshirt Lance his rookie year and allow him to develop in ways that will benefit him over the entirety of his career has always been the correct one IMO. He has the raw talent to become a very good QB. But he's not without issues. Like most QBs coming out of college today, he was a one or two read then run QB. Running was a big part of his game. That said there were instances where he sat in the pocket and read defenses. It showed he's able to do it if coached up properly. Kyler up till this year was a one read and run kind of QB as was Baker Mayfield. Both have come to realize that they MUST be able to read NFL defenses to have any sort of success in the NFL. Both can now make two reads with Baker occasionally making a third. With Kyler, his running remains a big part of the Card offense.

Lance has steadfastly refused to be timed in the 40 claiming analytics timed him in the 4.6 range. That would mean he's about as fast as Justin Herbert who was timed in the 4.6 range. That said he doesn't have the equivalent arm strength of Herbert but he can make all the throws he needs to make in the NFL with good accuracy. Once he understands what he's seeing in the NFL, i.e. learns to read NFL defenses he could be a very formidable QB. For the Ram's sake I hope he doesn't become another Justin Herbert but he most certainly has the potential.

Beating Kyler is a matter of not losing contain and taking away his first two reads. That will frustrate him and he will make mistakes. The reason he beat the Rams was because of Morris leaving virturally all the short passes uncontested so Kyler always had his dumpoff. Reading Murray's pass chart, the vast majority are within 10 yards. That is how both Phillips and Staley beat Kyler. They simply took away his easy short reads. That game showed me that Morris doesn't even do his homework when working up a game plan. Simply charting Murray's passes would show how to defend him.

Lance could potentially force the Ram DC to defend every blade of grass. Do not get complacent about Tre Lance or he will beat you.

 

[Merlin]

QB has to fit the system and Jones is a better fit for what Shanny likes to run. The more I see, the more Im convinced that Coach wanted Jones, and the FO wanted Lance

Yeah I'm of the same mind there. They initially went to Jones' pro day or whatever right after the trade and I figure they got cold feet not wanting to pass on a guy with a higher ceiling in Lance.

This is why Jones showing so well is great for us. If Shanny did want him and got "steered" to the other QB by Lynch and company he's probably thinking fuck this I'm out of here soon and next time I'll get the guy I want. He already admitted he wanted Stafford and the front office wasn't able to get it done, they're just not as savvy nor as aligned in one direction behind the HC like the Rams are.

Translation is Shanny maybe parting ways with SF a bit sooner than he would otherwise. Which would make me very happy, as I have loads of respect for his gameplanning acumen.

 

[dieterbrock]

Translation is Shanny maybe parting ways with SF a bit sooner than he would otherwise. Which would make me very happy, as I have loads of respect for his gameplanning acumen.

I'm so with you on this. I'm all for him having a career turnaround in the AFC east or something.....

 

[So Ram]

Being able to combine the ability to run and throw.. to not have them be completely different things with a QB.. that, imo, is where the magic is.
Mahomes and Allen are great examples of this... they can process run and pass opportunities at the same time. Guys like Hurts are still binary, imo... run OR throw.. not saying Hurts won't get there. But not all of them do. I think Kap was an example of not getting to the next level with that.

Ok - cool discussion. This you can break down in so many ways.Like to use this term because it is what it is.You can go back and look at NFL history on this.In fact maybe what just happened.I’m trying not to get into emails,but will have to.(wow).

Anyways keep it to NFL QB’s only.Going to stay on point here.

I don’t know about Kap? Who really does.I’d say a player(QB)like that is a different bred if you just look back at what he did in college.I always like to go back to the grass-roots of a player & how they were projected before they became an NFL QB.

 

[So Ram]

The original idea to redshirt Lance his rookie year and allow him to develop in ways that will benefit him over the entirety of his career has always been the correct one IMO. He has the raw talent to become a very good QB. But he's not without issues. Like most QBs coming out of college today, he was a one or two read then run QB. Running was a big part of his game. That said there were instances where he sat in the pocket and read defenses. It showed he's able to do it if coached up properly. Kyler up till this year was a one read and run kind of QB as was Baker Mayfield. Both have come to realize that they MUST be able to read NFL defenses to have any sort of success in the NFL. Both can now make two reads with Baker occasionally making a third. With Kyler, his running remains a big part of the Card offense.

Lance has steadfastly refused to be timed in the 40 claiming analytics timed him in the 4.6 range. That would mean he's about as fast as Justin Herbert who was timed in the 4.6 range. That said he doesn't have the equivalent arm strength of Herbert but he can make all the throws he needs to make in the NFL with good accuracy. Once he understands what he's seeing in the NFL, i.e. learns to read NFL defenses he could be a very formidable QB. For the Ram's sake I hope he doesn't become another Justin Herbert but he most certainly has the potential.

Beating Kyler is a matter of not losing contain and taking away his first two reads. That will frustrate him and he will make mistakes. The reason he beat the Rams was because of Morris leaving virturally all the short passes uncontested so Kyler always had his dumpoff. Reading Murray's pass chart, the vast majority are within 10 yards. That is how both Phillips and Staley beat Kyler. They simply took away his easy short reads. That game showed me that Morris doesn't even do his homework when working up a game plan. Simply charting Murray's passes would show how to defend him.

Lance could potentially force the Ram DC to defend every blade of grass. Do not get complacent about Tre Lance or he will beat you.

You make some excellent points.Then you fall off into the sunset somewhere.

Herbert was brought up different.He beat Utah I believe to finish his college career in the real SF stadium?
Lance has excellent arm strength.His 1st. TD pass showed that.That throw was in the 95% of all QB’s.I’d say not to many NFL QB’s even attempt that pass.
Just to keep it in SF,I wonder where Alex Smith would fit in,or even a Steve Young? How long did it take & how were they brought up.

I believe Shanahan is trying to move Lance to quickly a long.

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

Being able to combine the ability to run and throw.. to not have them be completely different things with a QB.. that, imo, is where the magic is.
Mahomes and Allen are great examples of this... they can process run and pass opportunities at the same time. Guys like Hurts are still binary, imo... run OR throw.. not saying Hurts won't get there. But not all of them do. I think Kap was an example of not getting to the next level with that.

This is really well said and I think you're spot on.

Trey Lance definitely is not there yet, and he looked kind of slow out there to me--easy to defend at this point.

 

[AvengerRam]

For all the excitement that QBs who can run the ball can produce, the fact remains that there has never been a Super Bowl winning QB who, in his championship season, rushed for 300 yards (The record is Steve Young: 293 yards in 1994). Though we may see that record broken in the coming years, the reality remains that QBs tend to have longer and more successful NFL careers if they don't rely on the run.

 

[Corbin]

Going to stick with my previous prediction and I’ll go with my the odds as Ive made in the teens in betting this year so far.



How many QB’s have come from D2 to dominate not to mention be a ‘good’ QB?

Very little.

my bet remains bust

I’m sticking with this. Guy will bust. Statistically 50% will bust in 1st round.

So…
Lance-Bust
Mac-Good
Lawerence-IDK his coach is an idiot
Fields- IDK idiot coach to? Leaning on decent
Zach- bust

 

[BonifayRam]

The Trey Lance experiment has indeed been a disappointment so far for the 49ers​

Posted by Mike Florio on October 23, 2021, 7:56 PM EDT

Of the five quarterbacks taken in the first 15 picks of the 2021 draft, four have become their team’s starters. One has not.

That one, of course, is 49ers quarterback Trey Lance. From the moment the 49ers moved from No. 12 to No. 3, the writing became sandblasted into the concrete. Jimmy Garoppolo would be traded or cut by the team, sooner or later.

The time for saying “later” to Jimmy G has become later than sooner because, quite simply, Lance hasn’t shown that he’s the better option than Garoppolo.

Think about that one for a second. The 49ers invested the 12th overall pick, two more first-round picks, and a third-round pick in a quarterback who has been, to date, unable to prove that he’s the better option than a middle-of-the-pack quarterback who can’t stay heathy and who sufficiently freaked out coach Kyle Shanahan during the 2019 playoffs to prompt Shanahan to go three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust for the balance of the divisional round win over the Vikings and the NFC Championship shredding of the Packers.

Garoppolo remains the starter in part because the locker room is loyal to the incumbent. If they saw that Lance was clearly the better option, the loyalties would immediately pivot to the rookie.

None of this is to say that Lance won’t develop. However, at a time when more and more young quarterbacks are arriving via round one and instantly becoming starters, the guy in whom the 49ers invested three first-round picks and a third-round pick should be starting.

It may not be his fault. Maybe he shouldn’t have been the third overall pick. Maybe Shanahan is better with veterans than rookies. Maybe the third pick should have been Justin Fields or Mac Jones. Maybe the 49ers, after passing on Patrick Mahomes in 2017 and telling Tom Brady “no thanks” to a homecoming in 2020, pushed the needle too far the other way, going all in when they should have just stayed put.

The 49ers could have had Mahomes. They could have had Brady. They could have stayed at No. 12, kept their future first-round picks, and waited to see how the board played out. Instead, they still have Garoppolo, who will definitely start on Sunday night because he has recovered from his latest injury and because Lance, in his only start of the season, suffered a knee injury that has him out for the game.

To summarize, then, the 49ers had a veteran quarterback who is average at best and who can’t consistently stay healthy, along with the 12th overall pick in the draft, a third-round pick in 2021, and their first-round picks in 2022 and 2023. Now, they have a veteran quarterback who is average at best and who can’t consistently stay healthy, along with a rookie quarterback who has yet to beat out the veteran quarterback who is average at best and who, in one start, suffered a knee injury that two weeks later hasn’t healed.

Maybe Lance will eventually become the franchise’s next Joe Montana. Maybe Lance will get his fingerprints on three or four Lombardi Trophies. For now, though, it’s obvious that the move isn’t paying dividends for a team with 2021 Super Bowl aspirations that has lost three of its first five games and that will be hard pressed to even make the playoffs if they rack up their fourth loss before Halloween.

 

[BonifayRam]

Yeah I'm of the same mind there. They initially went to Jones' pro day or whatever right after the trade and I figure they got cold feet not wanting to pass on a guy with a higher ceiling in Lance.

This is why Jones showing so well is great for us. If Shanny did want him and got "steered" to the other QB by Lynch and company he's probably thinking fuck this I'm out of here soon and next time I'll get the guy I want. He already admitted he wanted Stafford and the front office wasn't able to get it done, they're just not as savvy nor as aligned in one direction behind the HC like the Rams are.

Translation is Shanny maybe parting ways with SF a bit sooner than he would otherwise. Which would make me very happy, as I have loads of respect for his gameplanning acumen.

Some of the below info sorta goes along with your post.​

Ranking SF 49ers 10 worst NFL Draft picks by John Lynch, Kyle Shanahan

No team's front office is immune to NFL Draft mistakes, and the SF 49ers have their share of gaffes under John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan. Teams never get 100...

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Javon Kinlaw knee issues cast shadow on 49ers draft process

The 49ers are already dealing with injuries to Javon Kinlaw after knowing these could be a problem when they drafted him in Round 1 a year ago.

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[Flint]

No way would he last.

Seems like there’s the Wentz-Lance style running qb and the Lamar-Kyler style, the Wentz-Lance seems to not be able to stay on the field thus far.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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a very raw qb who did not play many games in college has not hit the ground running in the nfl. i'm shocked.

give it a rest fuckrio.

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[So Ram]

I’m sticking with this. Guy will bust. Statistically 50% will bust in 1st round.

So…
Lance-Bust
Mac-Good
Lawerence-IDK his coach is an idiot
Fields- IDK idiot coach to? Leaning on decent
Zach- bust

Well as of now,I’ll predict the same as I would have predicted from the start.

Trevor Lawrence is the man.

Then your just throwing darts,with Jones being in the best situation.I’m beginning to think The GOAT is so much better than I thought at first?

My thoughts are as a long time Rams Fan.History will speak for itself.This week though I’m just focusing on The Rams & Detroit .

If I take a peak I still think Jared Goff is in the middle of the pack.Jimmy G. Is still under rated. Tre Lance is in a excellent position to succeed.

Then again? How good is Josh Daniels? He coached As a OC under Fisher? Just Rambling

 

[So Ram]

Adding thought ?

It takes time to develop a Qav.
Aaron Rogers & Steve Young are 2 examples.

Big Ben is a HOF QB.

Bryce Perkins could
Be special.His value in a trade
could bring back draft value.Who knows if he can be The Rams QB of The Future?