Todd Gurley - Possible Torn ACL

[Robert]

@Robert I addressed my opinion on the ‘mental state’ because others here brought it up. I didn’t bring it up.

And many people here are also saying torn as in a partial tear. Players can play with a partial tear. Some are worse than others.

I also said some kind of injury. You seem to have selective reading skills or are just imaging that I said it is definitely torn because you want to argue or something.

I have not seen anyone talk about gurley’s mental state but again I could have missed it. You were calling out all of the doubters weren’t you? That tells me you agree Gurley has a torn acl as that is the subject at hand. You are absolutely right people can have partial tears but we live in a world that acl injuries happen all the time. A partial tear would still not go under the radar. Maybe I miss interpreted your post but it seemed to me you thought Gurley was mentally tore up due to an acl injury?

 

[Loyal]

Yeah, that would be tough but before you make any lasting assumptions about McVays answers, you have to remember that there are a lot of other possibilities including that he was telling the truth as far as he knew it.

Well, if it was known by any member of his staff and he wasn't told about such a serious injury, then someone needs firing. Yet, McVay is an excellent judge of talent. He could tell how special Todd was while seeing him in practice and on tape, so how could he not see the diminishment of skill? We don't know everything right now, so I am waiting for further info...

 

[RamFan503]

I was responding to you on my reasoning, is that not allowed?

Allowed? Yes. Continuing on? I already gave you my reasoning and I see nothing new to change that. If one of the other mods wants to change the title, so be it. I changed it because I felt the source was pretty solid and if true it helps explain the situation with our RB. Pretty simple. If something new comes in, it can be changed again. Until then, I don't want a bunch of threads on Gurley and this about covers it.

 

[Farr Be It]

The guy on this forum that has a “source” says Gurley tore his acl on 12/16 against the eagles. Yet he still played in the playoffs. Gurley said he had a mri after the philly game and it was negative and I am sure he was seen by a few doctors why didn’t anyone catch it? Now a physical today shows he has a torn acl but he still hasn’t came out and said it. Just doesn’t make sense.

Wait for it.

Why did he have an mri after the Philly game? Just standard operating procedure? So he had mri’s after every game, right?

No. There was a problem. To be clear, it is just me speculating about that shot to the knee in the Philly game. Others point to the awkward tackle in the Bears game. We may never know.

But who said a tear happened in either game? Not me. I just think the signs of an injury occurred then. Not a tear, necessarily.

I don’t even accuse the team of hiding anything major. Maybe they downplayed inflamation, or a strain, or something.

But it was only 24 hours ago TG had his year-end physical. Something showed itself in that physical.

It may have happened in the Super Bowl. But the team is in PR mode. Gurley is not speaking. I am just telling you what is coming.

But I am just “a source” to you. And my friend, that I will at least disclose to you is a Ram fan in the medical field, is a serious person to me. But just a “source” to you. I don’t blame you.

But keep in mind, news sources are just people, too. I have a journalism degree. Does that make me a journalist? No. I don’t call myself that. I work in another industry.

But many of us have come to understand that many major news sources are actually very unreliable. The truth is all that matters. I ask a lot of questions.

You will believe the Washington Post, but be sceptical of what I say. Mkay.

Only one of us has a reputation of pathological lies.

Ultimately I wish for the best for TG and the Rams. We will find out in due time.

 

[Dodgersrf]

Wait for it.

Why did he have an mri after the Philly game? Just standard operating procedure? So he had mri’s after every game, right?

No. There was a problem. To be clear, it is just me speculating about that shot to the knee in the Philly game. Others point to the awkward tackle in the Bears game. We may never know.

But who said a tear happened in either game? Not me. I just think the signs of an injury occurred then. Not a tear, necessarily.

I don’t even accuse the team of hiding anything major. Maybe they downplayed inflamation, or a strain, or something.

But it was only 24 hours ago TG had his year-end physical. Something showed itself in that physical.

It may have happened in the Super Bowl. But the team is in PR mode. Gurley is not speaking. I am just telling you what is coming.

But I am just “a source” to you. And my friend, that I will at least disclose to you is a Ram fan in the medical field, is a serious person to me. But just a “source” to you. I don’t blame you.

But keep in mind, news sources are just people, too. I have a journalism degree. Does that make me a journalist? No. I don’t call myself that. I work in another industry.

But many of us have come to understand that many major news sources are actually very unreliable. The truth is all that matters. I ask a lot of questions.

You will believe the Washington Post, but be sceptical of what I say. Mkay.

Only one of us has a reputation of pathological lies.

Ultimately I wish for the best for TG and the Rams. We will find out in due time.

News sources I trust, in order of trust to not trust.

1) loyalRam
2) my neighbors dog
3) National Inquirer
4) Washington post

 

[RamFan503]

Well, if it was known by any member of his staff and he wasn't told about such a serious injury, then someone needs firing. Yet, McVay is an excellent judge of talent. He could tell how special Todd was while seeing him in practice and on tape, so how could he not see the diminishment of skill? We don't know everything right now, so I am waiting for further info...

Except that as my boss was saying, at this point in the year, every player is a bit nicked up - especially your RB. He was saying Jimmy Johnson and even more so Barry Switzer used to believe in going full tilt in practices up to the end but that is pretty rare. Most would be having no hit rules on your skill players and having more walk through drills than contact drills. He thought that Emmitt's greatness was ended early because of it. That's his opinion. But the point he was making is that you won't really see the severity of an injury in many cases this late in the season. Often you just assume the player is going through what they all go through.

 

[RamFan503]

News sources I trust, in order of trust to not trust.

1) loyalRam

That dude defines fake news.

 

[thirteen28]

Wait for it.

Why did he have an mri after the Philly game? Just standard operating procedure? So he had mri’s after every game, right?

No. There was a problem. To be clear, it is just me speculating about that shot to the knee in the Philly game. Others point to the awkward tackle in the Bears game. We may never know.

But who said a tear happened in either game? Not me. I just think the signs of an injury occurred then. Not a tear, necessarily.

I don’t even accuse the team of hiding anything major. Maybe they downplayed inflamation, or a strain, or something.

But it was only 24 hours ago TG had his year-end physical. Something showed itself in that physical.

It may have happened in the Super Bowl. But the team is in PR mode. Gurley is not speaking. I am just telling you what is coming.

But I am just “a source” to you. And my friend, that I will at least disclose to you is a Ram fan in the medical field, is a serious person to me. But just a “source” to you. I don’t blame you.

But keep in mind, news sources are just people, too. I have a journalism degree. Does that make me a journalist? No. I don’t call myself that. I work in another industry.

But many of us have come to understand that many major news sources are actually very unreliable. The truth is all that matters. I ask a lot of questions.

You will believe the Washington Post, but be sceptical of what I say. Mkay.

Only one of us has a reputation of pathological lies.

Ultimately I wish for the best for TG and the Rams. We will find out in due time.

Just an observation, but ... that seemed like a lot of bet-hedging by you after the near-certainty of some of your previous posts.

 

[Dodgersrf]

That dude defines fake news.

I was going to post loyalram / SNL, bit I figured that was asuumed.

 

[tklongball]

Just an observation, but ... that seemed like a lot of bet-hedging by you after the near-certainty of some of your previous posts.

I took it more as clarification of what he was saying vs. what he felt like people though he was saying.

 

[thirteen28]

I took it more as clarification of what he was saying vs. what he felt like people though he was saying.

Here's what he wrote on a previous post in this thread (emphasis in original):

Again, I tell you. (sure, you don't know me from Adam) Gurley tore his ACL. Nobody said he did it a weeks ago, or that the Rams knew it a long time ago, and played him with that knowledge.

That seems pretty unequivocal to me. There is no equivocation on the "Gurley tore his ACL" part.

Here's another post by the same author from this thread (my emphasis this time):

the hit to the knee. Torn ACL guys. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. -sigh

Here he's stating, flatly, that Gurley has a torn ACL, and accompanying that statement with a picture from the Eagles game, effectively stating that's when it occurred.

 

[Farr Be It]

Just an observation, but ... that seemed like a lot of bet-hedging by you after the near-certainty of some of your previous posts.

I don't gamble. As @tklongball said, just clarifying where I am speculating, like any of us, and what I know, and wanted to share with you guys.

Torn ACL.

 

[Farr Be It]

Here's what he wrote on a previous post in this thread (emphasis in original):



That seems pretty unequivocal to me. There is no equivocation on the "Gurley tore his ACL" part.

Here's another post by the same author from this thread (my emphasis this time):



Here he's stating, flatly, that Gurley has a torn ACL, and accompanying that statement with a picture from the Eagles game, effectively stating that's when it occurred.

No. I've been consistent. That play in the Eagles game, (and I also posted those pics right AFTER THE EAGLES GAME in a thread, too) I infer there was an injury. An issue. Not an ACL TEAR. Gurley was different after that. The ultimate tear may have just occurred this past Sunday.

 

[thirteen28]

I don't gamble. As @tklongball said, just clarifying where I am speculating, like any of us, and what I know, and wanted to share with you guys.

Torn ACL.

Well, earlier you were stating it as if it's fact, and not speculation. You are very unequivocal that Gurley tore his ACL in the two quotes of you I put forth in my previous post, and now you say you are just speculating. So can I gather then that you didn't really mean it in those two previous posts I quoted, as well as others where you were pretty strong about it?

And is your source just speculating as well, without full knowledge of the situation. You did say that your source was impeccable, presumably to bolster your point that Gurley did indeed tear his ACL, but speculation from an impeccable source is just that - speculation. Nothing more.

 

[Farr Be It]

Well, earlier you were stating it as if it's fact, and not speculation. You are very unequivocal that Gurley tore his ACL in the two quotes of you I put forth in my previous post, and now you say you are just speculating. So can I gather then that you didn't really mean it in those two previous posts I quoted, as well as others where you were pretty strong about it?

And is your source just speculating as well, without full knowledge of the situation. You did say that your source was impeccable, presumably to bolster your point that Gurley did indeed tear his ACL, but speculation from an impeccable source is just that - speculation. Nothing more.

Sorry if I was unclear. Torn

Edit: the source was not speculating. He was definitive.

 

[thirteen28]

No. I've been consistent. That play in the Eagles game, (and I also posted those pics right AFTER THE EAGLES GAME in a thread, too) I infer there was an injury. An issue. Not an ACL TEAR. Gurley was different after that. The ultimate tear may have just occurred this past Sunday.

You go a little farther than merely inferring in the posts I have quoted. You flatly state that Gurley tore an ACL - including right under the pic from that game. You didn't write "I think he tore an ACL there" or "I hope he didn't tear his ACL." You wrote "Torn ACL guys."

The fact that Gurley was injured and having knee issues was known even before the Eagles game. Some suspected as much after the Chiefs game, and most suspected there were issues after the Bears game. So knowing that Gurley was having knee issues was not news then.

Inferring there was an injury was and is moot - we have all known that for some time. Your main point on this thread up until now has been "Gurley tore his ACL", with your impeccable source being a Rams fan who is in the medical field. So if all you meant to do was infer that he might have tore his ACL, you should have written that instead of stating flatly, unequivocally, things like "Torn ACL guys" (under a picture of him taking a hit to the knee against the Eagles) and "Gurley tore his ACL."

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I have not seen anyone talk about gurley’s mental state but again I could have missed it. You were calling out all of the doubters weren’t you? That tells me you agree Gurley has a torn acl as that is the subject at hand. You are absolutely right people can have partial tears but we live in a world that acl injuries happen all the time. A partial tear would still not go under the radar. Maybe I miss interpreted your post but it seemed to me you thought Gurley was mentally tore up due to an acl injury?

If he has one, I imagine it does bother him. Some here and on other threads question his mental state. Is he mad at McVay? Mad CJ got so much playing time? Depressed and ready to quit because of an ACL. Maybe they are saying itbecause he refused to talk after his physical. But people mentioned it.

I just said I think he has some kind of injury because he was limping. Some are saying he isn’t injured at all. Then why limp along the sideline? Was it fake? He has something wrong imo.

 

[thirteen28]

Edit: the source was not speculating. He was definitive.

And how would your source actually know? Is he on the inside of the Rams organization? You could at least tell us that, given that you've also told us that he/she is in the medical field.

And if this information got to you and leaked to a publicly viewable message board like ROD, why isn't it being confirmed elsewhere?

I won't pretend that I know the status of Gurley's knee - it could be swelling from past issues all the way up to a fully torn ACL. But I certainly wouldn't be putting it out there as incontrovertible knowledge - yours or your source's - without independent corroboration.

 

[Loyal]

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