Todd Gurley - Possible Torn ACL

[Spider2YB]

No. I've been consistent. That play in the Eagles game, (and I also posted those pics right AFTER THE EAGLES GAME in a thread, too) I infer there was an injury. An issue. Not an ACL TEAR. Gurley was different after that. The ultimate tear may have just occurred this past Sunday.

Are you trying to say the reason for the light workload for Gurley vs NE was that he tore his ACL in the game? How does that explain his 4 carries vs NO?

There are ONLY 2 explanations for this....either Gurley was hurt before the playoffs started and they didn’t want ppl to find out OR McVay decided that Gurley is not in fact the franchise player everyone thought he was, and that C.J. Anderson all of a sudden deserved half his carries. The latter seems insane but not impossible.

 

[Farr Be It]

You go a little farther than merely inferring in the posts I have quoted. You flatly state that Gurley tore an ACL - including right under the pic from that game. You didn't write "I think he tore an ACL there" or "I hope he didn't tear his ACL." You wrote "Torn ACL guys."

Again, sorry if I inferred he tore it against the Eagles.

I don’t know that. Just that it is now.

 

[Farr Be It]

And how would your source actually know? Is he on the inside of the Rams organization? You could at least tell us that, given that you've also told us that he/she is in the medical field.

And if this information got to you and leaked to a publicly viewable message board like ROD, why isn't it being confirmed elsewhere?

I won't pretend that I know the status of Gurley's knee - it could be swelling from past issues all the way up to a fully torn ACL. But I certainly wouldn't be putting it out there as incontrovertible knowledge - yours or your source's - without independent corroboration.

Overall, pretty good deductive reasoning.

I have to respect the source. It is not my place to “out” anyone, so. am not trying to be cryptic, or a tease. Please understand. I’m sure the Rams and TG will disclose things in due time.

I was a bit more specific with one of the mods out of respect for ROD, and forum standards. Also, one other member.

In this day and age of information, news comes out in all kinds of ways. Everything I have said is solid. But in respect of the Rams and TG-Maybe I shouldn’t have said anything, and DM guys I know best. That’s fine.

 

[LesBaker]

Fines would likely be the biggest risk if the NFL determines the Rams were hiding a signifigant injury.

Fines, maybe lose a draft pick as the NFL suddenly has a pretend hard on about player safety.

The fines have been around longer than the NFL player safety concerns. And those concerns have been around for a long time.

Right now I am uneasy that a HC who I like and respect, may have lied about an all important player's health like Todd Gurley.

But this type of thing does happen. Maybe not to this obvious of a degree since they weren't using the usual lingo of "he's day to day" or "it's a game time decision". Outright lying would be a WAY bigger deal.

I have a journalism degree. Does that make me a journalist? No.

But many of us have come to understand that many major news sources are actually very unreliable. The truth is all that matters. I ask a lot of questions.

You will believe the Washington Post, but be sceptical of what I say. Mkay.

News sources I trust, in order of trust to not trust.

1) loyalRam
2) my neighbors dog
3) National Inquirer
4) Washington post

The Washington Post is one of the most highly respected and accurate papers in the USA.

You may not agree with their stances based opinion pieces, which lean left, which is fine. However that's only part of the paper. Which is true of every paper whether it leans one way or the other, that's reflected in the opinion pieces. The reporting end is considered top notch.


I wonder if he will get the stump pierced..........why not right?

 

[Farr Be It]

I wonder if he will get the stump pierced..........why not right?

come on, Les. You don’t pierce the stump. It gets buried in the prosthesis.

Pierce other extremities. The chicks go nuts.

 

[thirteen28]

I have to respect the source. It is not my place to “out” anyone, so. am not trying to be cryptic, or a tease. Please understand. I’m sure the Rams and TG will disclose things in due time.

And what will you do if your source turns out to be wrong (given that you have stated you are "inferring")? Will you continue to stand by that source? Or will you burn them after they have burned you? Ultimately, it's your credibility on the line.

In this day and age of information, news comes out in all kinds of ways. Everything I have said is solid. But in respect of the Rams and TG-Maybe I shouldn’t have said anything, and DM guys I know best. That’s fine.

Yes, you probably shouldn't have said anything, absent multiple sources with first-hand knowledge of the situation.

At this point, there is absolutely no reason, PR or otherwise, for the Rams to continue hiding it. There is no competitive advantage to be gained. If it is indeed torn, they can say it happened in the Super Bowl, and nobody can prove otherwise. Thus, no fine, no repercussions from the NFL. What other motive would they have hide it now?

If it truly is torn, it is imperative that he gets into surgery and begins rehab as soon as possible if he is going to have a role for even part of next season. They won't be able to hide him going into surgery, nor rehab. Too many people will be involved, not just in the Rams organization but outside of it as well. And the flow of information from that will not be restricted from one source, to a dude on a message board, to us reading the message board.

Ultimately, this is why I have a very hard time taking it at face value at this point, because this (ROD) being the only path to which it has leaked publicly strains credibility. This would be a BIG story. And yet, not even a rumor monger like Florio is reporting this, or even alluding to it. And given the mystery of Gurley's late season problems and lack of use in the NFCC and SB, you can bet there are a sh!tload of reporters sniffing around trying to find out what is going on. And yet, nothing. Nothing on ESPN.com. Nothing on SI.com. Nothing on ProFootballTalk, nothing on NFL.com, nothing on the Rams website. Nothing anywhere but here on ROD (and no disrespect is intended toward this board, the moderators, the owners, etc.). Not one single piece of corroborating evidence.

I don't know about other posters. But as for me, I'll withhold any further conclusions until I see some corroboration from other sources.

 

[Loyal]

The fines have been around longer than the NFL player safety concerns. And those concerns have been around for a long time.



But this type of thing does happen. Maybe not to this obvious of a degree since they weren't using the usual lingo of "he's day to day" or "it's a game time decision". Outright lying would be a WAY bigger deal.







The Washington Post is one of the most highly respected and accurate papers in the USA.

You may not agree with their stances based opinion pieces, which lean left, which is fine. However that's only part of the paper. Which is true of every paper whether it leans one way or the other, that's reflected in the opinion pieces. The reporting end is considered top notch.



I wonder if he will get the stump pierced..........why not right?

I don't know, Les. When a HC says a player is 100% healthy, there isn't much wiggle room in that.

 

[“Turbo set!”]

If this is a serious injury we are going to have to hope Goff takes another step forward next season. He is capable.

 

[thirteen28]

If this is a serious injury we are going to have to hope Goff takes another step forward next season. He is capable.

We should hope that irrespective of Gurley's status. And yes, he is capable, as he has taken huge strides year-to-year in McVay's two seasons here.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Guys, I just think we should let things play out. Then form our decisions.
-whenever possible, assume innocence.

You mean like back in the good ol days before social hot take/speculation media? I concur.

The Rams will publicly address it when their ready.

 

[badnews]

I don't know, Les. When a HC says a player is 100% healthy, there isn't much wiggle room in that.

True but when has any player ever been "100% healthy" after 18 games into a season?
How healthy is any starting NFL RB the monday after week 1?

In the NFL healthy is a relative term to being able to perform, imo.
"Todd Gurley is 100% able to perform" sounds a lot more believable than 100% healthy... but that's a big difference from being "able to perform at 100%".

Imo this topic is still too foggy for us to speculate about what McVay knew, what he meant and whether any of it was deceitful or misleading beyond whats customary.

 

[NoCoNite]

NFL teams aren’t allowed to cover up injuries. It messes with the betting lines. If he was actually injured we’d know. Or they’d fine the team.
The redskins got fined 20,000 one time for not informing the league of Jordan Reeds injury.

 

[Farr Be It]

And what will you do if your source turns out to be wrong (given that you have stated you are "inferring")? Will you continue to stand by that source? Or will you burn them after they have burned you? Ultimately, it's your credibility on the line.

This is the part that earned you a “chill” rating. Yeah, I’ll DOX the bastard!!

I’m not worried about that. -Not making light of Todd’s career. I hope he heals and has 6-8 more great years with the Rams - but this isn’t life or death.

Yes, you probably shouldn't have said anything, absent multiple sources with first-hand knowledge of the situation.

One reliable source s more valuable than a fleet of vipers with a pen, looking for glory.

If it truly is torn, it is imperative that he gets into surgery and begins rehab as soon as possible if he is going to have a role for even part of next season. They won't be able to hide him going into surgery, nor rehab.

I’m sure this will work itself out without our help.

Ultimately, this is why I have a very hard time taking it at face value at this point, because this (ROD) being the only path to which it has leaked publicly strains credibility.

sure Thomas.

Seriously. I won’t hold it against you brother.

I’m just sharing what I know with my Ram bros.

Let me ask you: When applying Occams Razor principal to the words and behavior of Gurley, McVay, and the general mystery of this situation, does it lend MORE
or LESS credibility to the information I know?

 

[Mackeyser]

News sources I trust, in order of trust to not trust.

1) loyalRam
2) my neighbors dog
3) National Inquirer
4) Washington post

Dude, the Onion is my number one source for news.

No blue font...LOL

 

[Loyal]

True but when has any player ever been "100% healthy" after 18 games into a season?
How healthy is any starting NFL RB the monday after week 1?

In the NFL healthy is a relative term to being able to perform, imo.
"Todd Gurley is 100% able to perform" sounds a lot more believable than 100% healthy... but that's a big difference from being "able to perform at 100%".

Imo this topic is still too foggy for us to speculate about what McVay knew, what he meant and whether any of it was deceitful or misleading beyond whats customary.

Well, Gurley had several weeks off (3 weeks including the last two games in the regular season and the bye week). He was lightly used the rest of the way, so he should have been more ready than any RB in Super Bowl history if all it was was fatigue and a few nicks. It was in this context that I received the 100% ready/healthy comment from McVay and boldly told that single post, poster that he didn't know what he was talking about when he said Gurley was only a decoy. McVay said he was 100%, and I believed him.

If this comes down to what the meaning of "is," is, then I'm gonna feel lied to. But I'm waiting for more information from the Rams and McVay...

 

[thirteen28]

Let me ask you: When applying Occams Razor principal to the words and behavior of Gurley, McVay, and the general mystery of this situation, does it lend MORE
or LESS credibility to the information I know?

Neither.

It lends credibility to the idea that there is something wrong with Gurley in a medical sense, but we've all but known that for a while (we certainly knew it when he was inactive for weeks 16 and 17, and "knee" was listed as the reason).

Nevertheless, it's not enough to conclude "torn ACL." The problem could still be just swelling/inflammation that won't go away until he takes some time off from putting stress on the knee, or perhaps some scar tissue or something that needs to be cleared out with surgery.

Occam's Razor leads me to think the likelihood there is a knee issue with Gurley is very high. But it similarly leads me to believe, based on the fact that he played at all in the NFCC and the SB, the issue is NOT a torn ACL.

 

[Mackeyser]

SO IS TODD GURLEY GOING TO BE ON DANCING WITH THE STARS OR NOT???

 

[OntarioRam]

NFL teams aren’t allowed to cover up injuries. It messes with the betting lines. If he was actually injured we’d know. Or they’d fine the team.
The redskins got fined 20,000 one time for not informing the league of Jordan Reeds injury.

True, but I have also heard that as long as a player is a full participant in practice, the player need not be listed on the injury report. Is that true? It is possible his knee was *just* good enough to participate fully in practice - which is not as rigorous as a Super Bowl game, particularly if your teammates know to take it easy on you - but not healthy enough to be fully effective in a game situation?

 

[LesBaker]

I don't know, Les. When a HC says a player is 100% healthy, there isn't much wiggle room in that.

Yes I said that this is a bigger deal.