These "weight on the QB" penalties are BS.

[Angry Ram]

If you watch the play, AD reaches out to Carr and pushes his knee with his hand. It's not his head that makes first contact. AD "swiped" at Carr. Carr jumped a little bit to get his feet off the ground to prevent injury and he was swept off of his feet....literally. AD's helmet only touches Carr after his feet left the ground and after AD initiated contact with his hand.

What AD did is EXACTLY what the Note 2 articulates.

I couldn't really see it in this gif b/c of #66 blocking the view. Regardless, at real speed it probably didn't look like, and as previously stated if in doubt, it's to call it.

But hey, ultimately it ended up in 3 points and the Rams adjusted and overcame the penalty. #noexcuses

 

[EastRam]

I couldn't really see it in this gif b/c of #66 blocking the view. Regardless, at real speed it probably didn't look like, and as previously stated if in doubt, it's to call it.

But hey, ultimately it ended up in 3 points and the Rams adjusted and overcame the penalty. #noexcuses

So why can't the ref upstairs take a quick look and pick up the flag.

As for the leather helmets. I'm of the opinion they should go back to them. Bet no one would lead with their head.

But being old and all. I just don't remember the QBs of the 60s,70s and 80s being knocked out of games as much as they are nowadays. But then again they were a hell of a lot tougher then as compared to now.

That would be a good thing to research. And based on QB injuries in certain decades compared to certain rule changes and correlate accordingly.

Also we should just agree to disagree.

 

[RamBall]

Does this mean that a 5-10 170 pound CB can never be flagged?

No, size doesnt matter in this instance. You dont have to out weigh the QB to inflict an injury.
I broke a guys collarbone in high school wrestling without really trying to break his collarbone, I just wanted to hear the air exit his lungs when we hit the mat, and give him something to think about if he tried to pop up on me again.

 

[Mikey Ram]

I don't mind the body weight thing if some common sense is allowed..As in an egregious body slam and the guy following him to the ground...Simply finishing a tackle should be totally different...I know that's too subjective, but a little good judgement would be a cool thing...

 

[Akrasian]

But being old and all. I just don't remember the QBs of the 60s,70s and 80s being knocked out of games as much as they are nowadays. But then again they were a hell of a lot tougher then as compared to now.

Were they? Or was it that 280 pounders able to run 4.6 were nonexistent then, while huge mofos who are very fast are common now?

The game has a LOT larger, stronger players now - but tendons are not any stronger now than they were in the '60s. That's why there has had to be changes in the rules since then.

 

[EastRam]

Were they? Or was it that 280 pounders able to run 4.6 were nonexistent then, while huge mofos who are very fast are common now?

The game has a LOT larger, stronger players now - but tendons are not any stronger now than they were in the '60s. That's why there has had to be changes in the rules since then.

The bigger the body the larger the muscle.

Yea. I believe they were tougher then. But that's subjective.

 

[Akrasian]

The bigger the body the larger the muscle.

Yea. I believe they were tougher then. But that's subjective.

The muscle, but not the tendons and ligaments. Exercise and certain chemicals can grow the muscles to sizes larger than the human body has evolved to handle. But of course, the bigger point is that QBs are being hit by these larger, faster defenders, which means more force is put on their normal sized ligaments. Or are you denying that current defenses are much bigger, faster, and stronger than they were 50 years ago?

Being hit by guys who are that much stronger and faster inevitably means more injuries. It has nothing to do with toughness.

 

[EastRam]

The muscle, but not the tendons and ligaments. Exercise and certain chemicals can grow the muscles to sizes larger than the human body has evolved to handle. But of course, the bigger point is that QBs are being hit by these larger, faster defenders, which means more force is put on their normal sized ligaments. Or are you denying that current defenses are much bigger, faster, and stronger than they were 50 years ago?

Being hit by guys who are that much stronger and faster inevitably means more injuries. It has nothing to do with toughness.

But my main discussion that should be relevant is are the QBs getting hit more due to rule changes?

I Believe that they are.

It's a fact there are less blockers in to protect the QB then there were 20 years ago. Which will result in more injuries due to NOT protecting the QB in the way the game was designed.

The reason for this was to generate more O which would in turn generate more revenue.

Just an opinion

 

[Jorgeh0605]

But my main discussion that should be relevant is are the QBs getting hit more due to rule changes?

I Believe that they are.

It's a fact there are less blockers in to protect the QB then there were 20 years ago. Which will result in more injuries due to NOT protecting the QB in the way the game was designed.

The reason for this was to generate more O which would in turn generate more revenue.

Just an opinion

You do got a point. Aiding and assisting a pass happy NFL is definitely counter intuitive to protecting a QB. If you really want to protect a qb, make him hand it off to the runningback. But these 5 receiver sets aren't doing anything but putting the QB in more danger.

 

[RamBall]

There may not have been empty backfields 20 yrs ago but at the same time you cant rush so many defenders that you leave someone uncovered. So while there may be less blockers today, there are probably less rushers also, as the D must account for the added receivers.