These "weight on the QB" penalties are BS.

[Ken]

Watch how AD sacks the QB. He never takes him down with his weight directly on top of the QB. He wraps and rolls so they are side by side, or AD is on the bottom. He has never had a penalty while sacking the QB that I can remember.

 

[snackdaddy]

I don't like that rule either. If its after the ball is out of the QB's hands I can see it. But if its during a sack you should not penalize the defender for making a good play. Its still about a ref's judgement. I can see a team losing a game on a sack and a ref's poor judgement. Ref's have no accountability for bad judgement. Maybe if they made them available for interviews after the game that might change. But the ref's association would never allow that.

 

[EasyE]

I feel like all these rules protecting the QB just manage to allow smaller and skinnier QB's to play QB...which in turn leads to more injuries....

the answer is to allow small QB's to be injured, leading to a natural selection back towards bigger more appropriate sized men....

 

[RamFan503]

every play I have seen flagged has been a blatant attempt to injure the QB,

So when Folds held onto the defender’s helmet and pulled him down with him, that was a blatant attempt by Jarrett to injure? I completely disagree.

The rule is fine, how it is being enforced is not fine.

Exactly. More bs room for snap judgement calls.

It isn't a new rule, how they are enforcing it is different....and it is causing issues. It was meant to penalize extra actions in a sack, not big hits.

Exactly again. It’s been a penalty for years to use excess force or dirty tactics when you hit the QB. This is just an unnecessary add to roughing the passer. There should be no roll rule or anything like it. If you intentionally drive the QB into the ground, you are roughing the passer. The refs shouldn’t be LOOKING for ways to call you for it. If it walks like a duck and quacks, it’s a fucking duck.

 

[LARams_1963]

Watch how AD sacks the QB. He never takes him down with his weight directly on top of the QB. He wraps and rolls so they are side by side, or AD is on the bottom. He has never had a penalty while sacking the QB that I can remember.

Exactly my thought. AD does it pretty much textbook, and I'm not overly concerned about him. Now.... Suh?? That's a different story...:eek:..... Might draw some 15 yarder's.

 

[RamBall]

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/9/9/1...s-steelers-new-rule-break-the-laws-of-physics

The 1st hit the defender took 2 steps and jumped after contacting Rothlesberger, penalty. The 2nd hit the defender drove his body into Rogers, this play is why they are emphsizing this penalty. The 3rd hit the defender hit the QB with the crown of his helmet, been calling that for a few years now. The hit on Foles the defender launched his full body weight onto Foles, if you watch he jumped, launched, dove whatever you want to call it after making contact. If he would have just drug Foles down, no penalty, the extra launch is exactly what the rule is trying to remove from the game.

It is plain as day and clearly the defenders were making an extra effort to injure the QBs in each of those examples.
Show me a replay where the defender just lands on the QB and a flag is thrown and I will agree that is a bad call, but every hit I have seen people complain about was clearly a dirty hit.

 

[RamFan503]

The 1st hit the defender took 2 steps and jumped after contacting Rothlesberger, penalty. The 2nd hit the defender drove his body into Rogers, this play is why they are emphsizing this penalty. The 3rd hit the defender hit the QB with the crown of his helmet, been calling that for a few years now. The hit on Foles the defender launched his full body weight onto Foles, if you watch he jumped, launched, dove whatever you want to call it after making contact. If he would have just drug Foles down, no penalty, the extra launch is exactly what the rule is trying to remove from the game.

It is plain as day and clearly the defenders were making an extra effort to injure the QBs in each of those examples.
Show me a replay where the defender just lands on the QB and a flag is thrown and I will agree that is a bad call, but every hit I have seen people complain about was clearly a dirty hit.

Yeah.... simply will never agree with you on this - especially the one on Folds.

 

[RamBall]

Yeah.... simply will never agree with you on this - especially the one on Folds.

Show me a play where the defender doesnt make an extra move to land on the QB and gets flagged and I will agree its a bad call, but every play in that link clearly shows the defender attempting to add extra emphasis to crush the QB. I dont expect the Rams to get called for this as they dont coach to make dirty hits, they coach the DL to wrap and roll, it is effective and unlikely to be penalized.

 

[RamFan503]

Show me a play where the defender doesnt make an extra move to land on the QB and gets flagged and I will agree its a bad call, but every play in that link clearly shows the defender attempting to add extra emphasis to crush the QB. I dont expect the Rams to get called for this as they dont coach to make dirty hits, they coach the DL to wrap and roll, it is effective and unlikely to be penalized.

Disagree with what you’re considering the extra move. It’s really that simple. And Folds holding the guy’s helmet to his chest. I suppose the defender is supposed to risk his legs in order to stay on his feet and gently lay the poor guy down. It’s a fast, rough game.

 

[den-the-coach]

The way things usually shake out I expect two calls a game (roughing) to go against us unless Rams are playing New England, then I expect five.

 

[T-REX]

My take for what's it worth about this rule...

At the speed these guys are playing, these hits are sometimes impossible to avoid IMO.

 

[LesBaker]

The rule is clear and I have yet to see a clean hit flagged for it.

I'm a proponent of cleaning up the game and getting rid of dirty plays.

Both correct. Though I am sure there has been a bad call because the refs are..........well the refs.

Two things will draw the flag on this new rule. Launching and then landing on top of the QB or picking him up and then going down and to the ground landing on top of him.

As far as the videos in the link provided by @RhodyRams I'll say this.

The tackle on Roethlisbger was flagged because the ref probably thought he picked him up and went down on top of him. It looked like it at full speed but it should not have been flagged. That play cost the Browns a win.

The hit on Rodgers was a late hit. He took 2-3 steps and didn't "let up" like he is supposed to. Legit call.

The hit on Luck was an easy call. He put the crown of his helmet right into Luck's chin. If you put the crown of your helmet in someones face you will ALWAYS get flagged. And if you see as Luck was going down he spread his arms out in an effort to let all of his weight fall on him with nothing to cushion the blow. If he has him wrapped up his own arms provide a bit of a cushion to Lucks back. You see this type of technique used a lot. It adds to the amount of pressure in the hit.

I can't get the hit on Foles to load for some reason. Twitter vids don't load lately I don't know why.

 

[RamBall]

Maybe the reason I see it is because it is exactly what we used to do in high school wrestling to avoid being called for a slam.. When you take your opponent off the mat you are responsible for his not so gentle landing, meaning if he bounces its a foul. So we would time it so as he hits the mat you are driving your entire weight into his chest o r back,this eliminating a bounce. It was intentional and meant to hurt the guy. It also made a cool sound as all the air was expelled from his lungs, we would rate the sound on a scale of 1-10. It is obvious when the defender extends his legs and lifts his feet off the ground that he is trying to put his full body weight onto the QB as they hit the ground in an attempt to put the QB out of the game. Which is cool when it's someone else's QB, but what if it's Goff that gets hurt? When it's our QB it's dirty, and I already know not many more t any of us would feel good about Mannion taking over for the rest of this season because some DL decides he wants to break Goff. It's a QB driven league they are going to try anything necessary to take dirty hits on the QB out of the game

These are professional athletes, if they don't have the body control to avoid these crushing the QB penalties they would not have the athleticism to make it on an NFL roster.

I am sure that th e refs do and will make some bad calls, but the ones I have seen so far looked like good calls IMO. But I have been wrong before and probably will be again someday.

 

[Ramstien]

If they are going to restrict the hits to the QB's this much just put flags on them and let defensive player just pull the flags. This bullshit is not real football.

 

[Mackeyser]

Obviously you didn't play competitive football. I did in high school and Jr. College. As I played OT and DL at 6'4" and 310lbs.These players are making snap decisions and when you're trying to make sure you tackle someone you use every bit of energy you have to make sure a player to down. If you don't you might not make the tackle.
Oh this is not a trained move it comes naturally. Watch a group of kids playing football and you'll see them doing the same thing. There things yes you can teach and train when it comes to safety, but you can't teach someone how to go against what is natural, what is instinct.

Damn, son. You must be hell on an all you can eat buffet!

 

[shaunpinney]

I'm not clear what the actual written law is, but from what I'm understanding I'm ok with it, it's been in rugby for a while now you can't "drive" the opposing player into the ground using your weight - momentum is fine as it's un-avoidable. It just means you've got to adjust your tackling style - Aaron Donald is the perfect example of how to do it - he tackles super hard, without the pile-drive. I know the Seahawks implement it too. There's a video if anyone's interested...



I'm as big a fan as anyone of a BIG hit, but have been physically present at seeing a pro player get tackled, driven up into the air, then back down to earth on the back of his neck, needless to say he broke his neck and ended his rugby career, he's lucky that he can now walk un-aided, however his mobility is severely restricted - the NFL are just trying to ensure players safety.

 

[LesBaker]

And the NFL came out and said the call on the Browns was wrong.

I'm sure their fans don't give a shit about hearing that.

The refs union needs to be held accountable, they are fucking up the games too often.

 

[EastRam]

And the NFL came out and said the call on the Browns was wrong.

I'm sure their fans don't give a crap about hearing that.

The refs union needs to be held accountable, they are freaking up the games too often.

I still don't get why the booth can't call down to the ref and say "hey that's not a foul pick up your flag"

They don't have to stop play and do the stupid " take the laptop on the field game" which should never happen anyway.

Upstairs sees the replay very quickly. It's not rocket science

 

[shaunpinney]

I still don't get why the booth can't call down to the ref and say "hey that's not a foul pick up your flag"

They don't have to stop play and do the stupid " take the laptop on the field game" which should never happen anyway.

Upstairs sees the replay very quickly. It's not rocket science

Can't plays be reviewed on the big screen by the refs??

 

[ReekofRams]

Damn, son. You must be hell on an all you can eat buffet!

Now I'm just old... Unless there's a good buffet, then I become old and ravenous.