These "weight on the QB" penalties are BS.

[Zaphod]

Didn't Donald just get one of those calls last night when he and Brockers converged on Carr? I remember thinking it was bologna, Donald was clearly trying not to hurt Carr.

Don't get me wrong, I want to see Goff protected, but it seems too subjective to me at this point.

 

[bubbaramfan]

How do you all like that call for "Roughing the QB" on AD? That was a legit sack and AD wasn't trying to hurt Carr.

All you folks defending the new rule should take a look at the replay.

The really bad fallout from this kind of call, is it results in a 1st and ten and extends a drive instead of a punt to the other team. A real game changer.

 

[RhodyRams]

AD got him in the knees. Even though he was blocked down and into Carr, it's still a penalty for hitting QB low

 

[LesBaker]

AD got him in the knees. Even though he was blocked down and into Carr, it's still a penalty for hitting QB low

Exactly right, that is a penalty and has been for years.

That play has nothing to do with this topic LOL.

 

[RamBall]

How do you all like that call for "Roughing the QB" on AD? That was a legit sack and AD wasn't trying to hurt Carr.

All you folks defending the new rule should take a look at the replay.

The really bad fallout from this kind of call, is it results in a 1st and ten and extends a drive instead of a punt to the other team. A real game changer.

The call on AD was a bad call, it had nothing to do with the new rule it was the Brady rule about going at the QBs legs AD was tackled into the legs of Carr.

AD was never flagged for landing on Carr.

 

[Zaphod]

Oh gosh no, the last thing that I could wish for is the Raiders be forced to replace Carr with a better quarterback

And to continue with that selfish perspective I would much prefer a healthy Goff to padding Dondald's stats.

I'm only pointing out that our first erroneous casualty with the addition to the rule - which had very little effect on the outcome or flow of the game ... so far.

 

[Zaphod]

The call on AD was a bad call, it had nothing to do with the new rule it was the Brady rule about going at the QBs legs AD was tackled into the legs of Carr.

AD was never flagged for landing on Carr.

Ah, my bad then, I misunderstood the call as well.

 

[bubbaramfan]

AD was flagged for "roughing the passer" which was a bad call.

 

[Akrasian]

The call on AD was a bad call, it had nothing to do with the new rule it was the Brady rule about going at the QBs legs AD was tackled into the legs of Carr.

AD was never flagged for landing on Carr.

My understanding is that going into the QBs legs is a call that if the official has any doubt should be called. i.e. if the official isn't sure if the defender could have avoided it by a movement - even if he's been tackled towards the QB - it should be called, because the NFL wants the defender to do all that is practical to avoid going into the QBs knees.

The point is, there are going to be those called even if after multiple viewings on replay in slow-mo it becomes apparent that it shouldn't be called. The officials call it in real time, and are coached to err on the side of caution with that call.

 

[LesBaker]

How do you all like that call for "Roughing the QB" on AD? That was a legit sack and AD wasn't trying to hurt Carr.

All you folks defending the new rule should take a look at the replay.

The really bad fallout from this kind of call, is it results in a 1st and ten and extends a drive instead of a punt to the other team. A real game changer.

The call in the CLE v PITT was a terrible call and the Steelers rather than punting had the drive extended and scored a TD. The refs blew that and the NFL gave the usual bullshit reply.

They need to make changes and soon. I would like to see someone upstairs reviewing penalties on the fly like @Mackeyser suggested , it would help a bunch.

 

[Angry Ram]

How do you all like that call for "Roughing the QB" on AD? That was a legit sack and AD wasn't trying to hurt Carr.

It was the correct call in real speed. BTW I'm not acknowledging this Nick Bromberg fella's take. It's the only gif I can find.



As you can see, AD is NOT being pushed into Derek Carr. He does a swim move, and dives (albeit not forcefully). The problem is his head hits Derek Carr's knees, and since he wasn't pushed or blocked into the QB, that is a foul. Sorry, but that's the rule. Michael Brockers was pushed into him, but he wasn't called, correctly.

HITTING PASSER’S KNEE (5) A rushing defender is prohibited from forcibly hitting in the knee area or below a passer who has one or both feet on the ground, even if the initial contact is above the knee. It is not a foul if the defender is blocked (or fouled) into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him; Note 1: A defender cannot initiate a roll or lunge and forcibly hit the passer in the knee area or below, even if he is being contacted by another player. Note 2: It is not a foul if the defender swipes, wraps, or grabs a passer in the knee area or below in an attempt to tackle him.

In that clip, I didn't see any thing where AD was trying to use arms to get his knee. He dove, and again I'll agree that it wasn't intent, but his head still dove at the knees. And in real speed it looks worse. And as already mentioned, an official will call that.

All you folks defending the new rule should take a look at the replay.

As others have said, this rule and the new rule are two separate things. This is the new rule:

UNNECESSARY ACTS AGAINST PASSER (2) A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as “stuffing” a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for in (1) above. When tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up or cradle the passer with the defensive player’s arms.

https://www.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/15_Rule12_Player_Conduct.pdf

The really bad fallout from this kind of call, is it results in a 1st and ten and extends a drive instead of a punt to the other team. A real game changer.

No excuses, am I right? Didn't really bug the Rams...hold em to 3. That's what I call manning up. Moreso than moaning about rules designed to protect players.


Exactly, and the Raiders..err sorry, the BSPN announce team, pointed that out. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp.

AD was flagged for "roughing the passer" which was a bad call.

Yet the Rams overcame and won. #noexcuses.

Sorry, this isn't the 1970s anymore. Or 80s, or 90s for that matter. I want to see my favorite team's best players go against an opponent's best players. Unnecessary, dirty, and violent hits with high injury probability need to be eradicated.

 

[BonifayRam]

Does this mean that a 5-10 170 pound CB can never be flagged?

 

[EastRam]

The NFL is fucking up the game.

I totally get protecting the players. But you don't do it with a rule book that forces change on how the game is meant to be played.

Sure I'm old and grumpy.

The QBs are getting popped. Yup. Then protect them by having blockers. Oh. Can't do that we have to be able to pass the football.

Coaches aren't stupid. If they have to choose between protecting the QB or losing the QB. They will protect them.

But the NFL is doing it for them by wrapping the QB in bubble wrap.

Ok. Done with the rant.

 

[LesBaker]

Sure I'm old and grumpy.

And you smell like a broccoli and garlic fart. Hahahahahahahaha.........

I love seeing you around, hope all is well.

 

[Angry Ram]

The NFL is freaking up the game.

Judging by the crowds in the stadiums this weekend, and the millions that tune in that don't seem to care, this statement is just wrong.

I totally get protecting the players. But you don't do it with a rule book that forces change on how the game is meant to be played.

Sure I'm old and grumpy.

The NFL has been evolving and changing all the time. Requirements for helmets, changing how much points are worth, adding and removing rules as needed, etc. Yet it has survived all this time.

The QBs are getting popped. Yup. Then protect them by having blockers. Oh. Can't do that we have to be able to pass the football.

Coaches aren't stupid. If they have to choose between protecting the QB or losing the QB. They will protect them.

Why do people constantly just ignore the rule's intent? No one is saying that routine sacks will be flagged to protect the QB. Plays like spearing the QB into the ground yields a higher probably cause of injury. It's unnecessary.

But the NFL is doing it for them by wrapping the QB in bubble wrap.

Ask Aaron Rodgers and Matthew Stafford if they think they are wrapped in bubble wrap. It's completely false.

 

[EastRam]

Judging by the crowds in the stadiums this weekend, and the millions that tune in that don't seem to care, this statement is just wrong.



The NFL has been evolving and changing all the time. Requirements for helmets, changing how much points are worth, adding and removing rules as needed, etc. Yet it has survived all this time.



Why do people constantly just ignore the rule's intent? No one is saying that routine sacks will be flagged to protect the QB. Plays like spearing the QB into the ground yields a higher probably cause of injury. It's unnecessary.



Ask Aaron Rodgers and Matthew Stafford if they think they are wrapped in bubble wrap. It's completely false.

I didn't say the NFL wasn't making money. I said they were fucking up the game. I stand by that.

So tell me. What " other" sports are evolving and changing their sports so drastically.

Sure. Change your helmet. Change where the extra point is kicked from ( which was also stupid) but they need to stop with the rules that change how the game is designed to be played. Maybe the UFC shouldn't allow fighting?

Why is it the people supporting the rule change cant see how drastically it is altering the game. And it needs to be fixed. Also there is no such thing as a routine sack. A sack is a sack.

Hope the QB doesn't get hurt. But didn't he sign up to play NFL football. Sorry if the DT fell on the QB when he sacked him.

Then AR and MS should find a different career if they don't want to get sacked and possibly hurt when they do get sacked.

But hey. I really do get it. It's all about passing and lighting up the scoreboard and as Jerry Jones said we have to protect our QBs.
Because we pay them the most.

So yea I get it. Just don't agree.

 

[Angry Ram]

I didn't say the NFL wasn't making money. I said they were freaking up the game. I stand by that.

Who brought up money? If it's fuckin up the game like you say, the quality would diminish and people would stop watching. But everyone still attends and watches.

So tell me. What " other" sports are evolving and changing their sports so drastically.

Sure. Change your helmet. Change where the extra point is kicked from ( which was also stupid) but they need to stop with the rules that change how the game is designed to be played. Maybe the UFC shouldn't allow fighting?

I'm talking about from the inception of the league to current. It's always been changed. Leather helmets to plastic helmets. Moving the goal posts to the back of the endzone. Allowing FGs to be 3 points. Introducing the 2 points. New rules, etc. This is no different.

Why is it the people supporting the rule change cant see how drastically it is altering the game. And it needs to be fixed. Also there is no such thing as a routine sack. A sack is a sack.

Why is is the people who hellbent absolutely refuse to see the point of the rules? It's unnecessary injury risk. Yes, there is a routine sack. By wrapping the guy and bringing him to the ground. Not goring him into it, or going for the knees.

And no, it's not "drastically" altering the game. Have the Rams not creamed Russell Wilson hundreds of times? Have they not been the top sacking teams the past few years? Have other high sack teams and physical defense like the Broncos, Jaguars, Ravens, Vikings, Panthers, etc not existed? Not one of those teams have suffered (except the Jaguars until recently) because of this so-called "drastic change".

Hope the QB doesn't get hurt. But didn't he sign up to play NFL football. Sorry if the DT fell on the QB when he sacked him.

Again missing the point. ITS DRIVING THE QB TO THE DAMN GROUND FORCIBLY.

Then AR and MS should find a different career if they don't want to get sacked and possibly hurt when they do get sacked.

Still missing the point. I'm showing these 2 QBs just this past weekend get creamed, routinely. Proving you're claim of the rule ruining the game is false.

But hey. I really do get it. It's all about passing and lighting up the scoreboard and as Jerry Jones said we have to protect our QBs.
Because we pay them the most.

So yea I get it. Just don't agree.

I don't think you do. This is 2018. Not 1978. Times change, but the games are still just as enjoyable. Maybe more so.

 

[Mackeyser]

It was the correct call in real speed. BTW I'm not acknowledging this Nick Bromberg fella's take. It's the only gif I can find.



As you can see, AD is NOT being pushed into Derek Carr. He does a swim move, and dives (albeit not forcefully). The problem is his head hits Derek Carr's knees, and since he wasn't pushed or blocked into the QB, that is a foul. Sorry, but that's the rule. Michael Brockers was pushed into him, but he wasn't called, correctly.

HITTING PASSER’S KNEE (5) A rushing defender is prohibited from forcibly hitting in the knee area or below a passer who has one or both feet on the ground, even if the initial contact is above the knee. It is not a foul if the defender is blocked (or fouled) into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him; Note 1: A defender cannot initiate a roll or lunge and forcibly hit the passer in the knee area or below, even if he is being contacted by another player. Note 2: It is not a foul if the defender swipes, wraps, or grabs a passer in the knee area or below in an attempt to tackle him.

If you watch the play, AD reaches out to Carr and pushes his knee with his hand. It's not his head that makes first contact. AD "swiped" at Carr. Carr jumped a little bit to get his feet off the ground to prevent injury and he was swept off of his feet....literally. AD's helmet only touches Carr after his feet left the ground and after AD initiated contact with his hand.

What AD did is EXACTLY what the Note 2 articulates.