The Goff watch thread

[Tano]

Oh I believe 10% - problem is that the 10% came in spurts. So it was probably 20-25% in half the games instead of 10% in every game, which we may have been able to overcome more consistently.

Oh I agree he had some bad games - Miami and both San Francisco games come to mind and I have to add the Giants and Patriots games he didn't play well even though we won

But again I was really hoping he would improve on that with more experience.

Would he? Well - doesn't really matter anymore since he is a lion and we got Stafford.

I am just going to have to move on and no more posts on this matter.

(Hears huge cheering in background on that last statement)

Time to focus on the Rams since preseason is almost upon us.

 

[Malibu]

It's hard to blame McVay if he knew Goff wasn't evolving with the offense. What's he supposed to do put more on Goff's plate, even though he (Goff) couldn't get the elementary steps done to begin with? Goff is/was a game manager. We weren't expecting it to dwindle down from a first pick overall, to limited options in year #4. But that's the way it played out. The kid might still be successful, but not in an offense he has to push which is where McVay's offense has evolved to. The Miami game is the one that changed my mind. Goff just couldn't make plays once his first option was taken away. The off-season was the first chance to "fix it". And he (McVay) did. if Stafford doesn't meet or succeed his career average numbers. Then it would be time to focus on the McVay question. Good video. It did a good job laying out basically what we already knew.

Then why did McVay authorize Goff's resigning in early 2019? Goff wasn't McVays guy. He saw every throw in practice and how he faired in game situations so why resign him. They could have held on a year or 2 longer and then decided. It surely would have held with our dead cap situation as well as having more $ for FAs.

 

[jrry32]

But you could see their ability right away. You didn’t with Goff until McVay was telling him in his headset before the play. Then when teams caught up to that he was stuck again. So was it Jarred? Or McVays brain with Jarreds physical ability?

In 2019 and on McVay tried to simplify his offense to help Jarred with all of the rollouts to cut the field down. So far Goff has not shown the ability to get past certain attacks despite seeing them several times.

What I question is his ability to quickly read defenses and make split second adjustments. If he can not process fast enough then I doubt he can overcome that part of the game. He’s had five years to show progress but he only regressed.

Well, that's not really true. Goff progressed quite rapidly over his first three years. He took steps back in each of the two years that followed. But that's not abnormal for a young QB. Progression isn't linear. If you want an example of that, look at the QB we acquired. Stafford had a similar rise followed by regression.

I think the whole McVay being in Goff's ear bit is seriously overblown. If that was the reason for Goff's success and the culprit for his regression, McVay had an easy adjustment to solve that: snap the ball at or before 15 seconds when the mic cuts out. Whatever the reason for Goff's steps back over the past couple years, McVay wanted to go a different direction. That's his call to make. He's earned that right.

 

[Shuie3225]

Well, that's not really true. Goff progressed quite rapidly over his first three years. He took steps back in each of the two years that followed. But that's not abnormal for a young QB. Progression isn't linear. If you want an example of that, look at the QB we acquired. Stafford had a similar rise followed by regression.

I think the whole McVay being in Goff's ear bit is seriously overblown. If that was the reason for Goff's success and the culprit for his regression, McVay had an easy adjustment to solve that: snap the ball at or before 15 seconds when the mic cuts out. Whatever the reason for Goff's steps back over the past couple years, McVay wanted to go a different direction. That's his call to make. He's earned that right.

Fair points but Goff has been surrounded by a much better team/coaching/offensive system the past 3 years than Stafford ever has had. Not to mention watching the film of Stafford's best yrs vs Goffs best years you see an entirely different level of quarterbacking. The same sentiments we're hearing echoed in camp right now.

And regarding the play clock, I thought that same thing too. Why doesn't McVay just make sure Goff snaps the ball with 15+ seconds on the play clock. But in our offense I just dont think its possible. McVays offense is very complex and his play calls are wordy. Goff has joked about this in years past on the Barstool podcast. That he has to recite a paragraph for every play call. Not only that, but then he has to get to the line and change protection, and also on 50% of plays we have a WR in motion which takes 4-5 seconds before they're set. We would have to go no huddle 24/7 in order to make sure we snapped the ball that early. Dont think its possible.

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

I wonder who I'd pick if I could choose between 2021 Stafford or whatever version of Jared Goff there will be after his 12th season....

 

[Corbin]

So says you.

Sheesh.

You can give all the statistics you want but Goff played good to extremely good for 11 games last year.

He had two terrible games - Miami and SF - two pretty bad games SF even though they should have won that game and the giants (still a win is a win) and one really horrible play against Seattle (although I did a game summary of the first half of that game and he made the right call on almost every play in that first half).

The other games he either played good (Dallas, Seattle, NE, Jets - yes the Jets - Blythe was horrible in that game) or played extremely well (Washington, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay, Buffalo, Arizona, Chicago, and Green Bay).

I am not counting the broken thumb game in the playoffs against Seattle. He was not ready yet and his passes showed in that game.

Sorry I just hate 100% statements that Corbin made about people making up their mind despite evidence to the contrary.

I have reviewed his play and believe he could have gotten better. Will he, I really don't know now because Detroit is a shit hole of a team.

200-1 odds and they don't have a Bruce Holt Pace Faulk on that team.

Note - 1999 Rams were 200-1 at Vegas

So you plainly stated numbers don't matter which in other words means facts don't matter. Please tell me you are in no way are in charge or have influence over any young peoples critical thinking because this is what's wrong with the youth coming up.

Hell you don't even have to listen to me, let's listen to the ones that get paid millions to run a professional NFL franchise. Sean McVay, Les Snead, and Kevin Demoff. They decided that the enigma that is Jared Goff would be given along with a 2022 and 2023 1st rounder and a 2021 3rd rounder. You're telling me to get away from a great player as you suppose any rational FO would do that?

This isn't a hypothetical, it actually happened and you can sit in denial and not face the music since you've dug in your heels from years of fandom and being wrong but in reality and the real world Jared Goff was mostly a subpar turnover machine especially past 2018 when he didn't have units performing on an elite level and he had to pull his weight.

Since I gave a very very rare negative rating (I think that may be my first actually) to your post I’ll give the courtesy of a brief curt reply

1) I don’t believe a 24-26 yr old NFL QB “regresses” if you’re as smart as you think you are, I’d consider A deep dive into what exactly has changed after the rousing MNF win vs KC in 2018 and the ensuing “beginning of the regress” coming off a bye ho hum win at Detroit

2) The hell does your second paragraph even mean, not even joking, just pure baloney sausage

3) Not digging in, I just don’t (to put it politely) agree with your “facts” which segways into your 4th paragraph

Is Stafford an upgrade over Goff at this moment?

Of course I believe that’s probably true, how can it not be?

Goff is getting set up in Detroit to succeed, he has Holmes, he has a stud Center decent LT and maybe the next Anthony Munoz at RT, and 2 decent guards, two good to possibly very good RBs, not much at WR but I’ll spot you that

Dude has a good year and I’ll let you and your fellow experts know about it, and...if he indeed sux, then I’ll bow my head in shame and create a thread indicating I was wrong

Fair enough?

There is really no need to take this any further

1) I don’t believe a 24-26 yr old NFL QB “regresses” if you’re as smart as you think you are, I’d consider A deep dive into what exactly has changed after the rousing MNF win vs KC in 2018 and the ensuing “beginning of the regress” coming off a bye ho hum win at Detroit.
Anybody with an inkling of knowledge would know the KC and Detriot game have little do do with anything, the trouble started with the defensive concept against the Bears in Chicago that Goff could not adjust to pulling his own weight with the run game being shut down.

2) The hell does your second paragraph even mean, not even joking, just pure baloney sausage.
Apparently you exactly what it means if your raging against it.


3) Not digging in, I just don’t (to put it politely) agree with your “facts” which segways into your 4th paragraph.
As reported to rumblings from the around that trade time you can match his play to that time period where it was stated he let his foot off the pedal to coast to a certain point. Are these confirmed and 100% true? Goff will never admit it but timing with his poor play decline from 2018 and his relationship coincide pretty damn well time wise.


Look your a Goff loyalist which means you got those rose colored glasses on regardless of any proof to the contrary. I don't hate Goff, my jersey I wore often states otherwise and honestly I hope the Lions win that division this year (obviously I seriously doubt it) but I wish him the best and I'd love nothing more than that HC he has to do damned good, unlike others around here judging him by his horrid introduction conference, listening to him speak he sounds pretty freaking legit and likeable tbh.
They made great decisions in the draft and with Brad Holmes the Lions might just get some damned good talent stacked the next 2-3 years to compete in the NFC North.

 

[Tano]

So you plainly stated numbers don't matter which in other words means facts don't matter. Please tell me you are in no way are in charge or have influence over any young peoples critical thinking because this is what's wrong with the youth coming up.

I am just talking about the statements being said about Goff must be right because of the evidence provided and I am saying are you sure? (I hope I am making sense here - I am real tired from catching up after a vacation and the shit storm that occurred while I was away)

Note - I may have misconstrued what you said and I think you misconstrued what I was saying because of my misconstrument (is that even a word lol - I guess so since spell check fixed it)

I know what McVay and Snead said. I have high opinions of what they say.

I have always said since the trade that McVay wanted a QB that fit his mold.

I just felt Goff got a raw deal in what McVay said in the post game interview after the GB game and what Snead said a day after and because of that I felt we had to give up more to get Stafford than what I feel they should have given up. But they went all in on Stafford and I hope they are right.

The other posts about Goff I have made about Goff I stated in another post that I feel that some people are putting Goff down much more than he deserves. I feel he played well and was just defending him.

Oh and numbers matter but I feel how people play also plays a huge part and that's where the divide in my thinking about Goff and some people bringing up statistics are different.

Sorry ALL - just wanted to respond to Corbin. Maybe I should have done a direct mail.

 

[Corbin]

I am just talking about the statements being said about Goff must be right because of the evidence provided and I am saying are you sure?

I know what McVay and Snead said. I have high opinions of what they say.

I have always said since the trade that McVay wanted a QB that fit his mold.

I just felt Goff got a raw deal in what McVay said in the post game interview after the GB game what Snead said a day after and because of that I felt we had to give up more to get Stafford than what I feel they should have given up. But they went all in on Stafford and I hope they are right.

The other posts about Goff I have made about Goff I stated in another post that I feel that some people are putting Goff down much more than he deserves. I feel he played well and was just defending him.

Sorry ALL - just wanted to respond to Corbin. Maybe I should have done a direct mail.

For sure Goff had McVay slapping him pretty hard, that was for sure the accumulation of his frustration since the Whiner or Dolphin game. In that Green Bay game there were many things that went wrong or groups or people at fault, two of the biggest ones you can't really control is a HOF'r, in AD, being knocked out while facing a HOF'r, in Aaron Rodgers, and we couldn't stop shit which is completely frustrating since Tampa did them in.


Let's be honest though, does any of this really matter now? No. I thought we had a NFCCG makeup until Akers got hurt, I'm not so sure now. But it's fun to debate things since it enables oneself to challenge ones own beliefs. I still won't concede that trading Warner was the smartest/best thing to do and whoever says otherwise can listen to what The Game has to say about it

 

[Mojo Ram]

Lions camp tidbit:

A day after offensive coordinator Anthony Lynn defended the relative lack of deep throws in practice thus far, his offense opened up drills with a series of deep-ball reps. If it wasn’t deliberate, it sure felt that way.

Jared Goff was decent in the drill. He uncorked a couple of very nice corner routes that had no problem hitting 50 yards in the air. Goff also rifled a deep seam laser to Quintez Cephus, who nicely played off the outside leverage from the coverage to get open to the inside. Backup Tim Boyle connected on a few nice deep shots, too. But Goff looked great in dealing throws all over the deeper realms of the field.

But when the offense progressed to team drills (11 vs. 11), it’s as if the impressive early drill never took place. Goff consistently checked down almost immediately. On one rep he never even looked at Kalif Raymond on a wheel from the slot that the coverage botched. It should have been an easy pitch-and-catch deep TD. Instead, Goff forced a ball to a covered T.J. Hockenson underneath that left the Pro Bowl TE exposed to a kill shot from the LB if the defense was so motivated. Goff later missed seeing Tyrell Williams on a hitch route that sent outside CB Amani Oruwariye losing his footing.

After the drill was over and Goff had eschewed even trying the deep throw, Campbell animatedly approached the quarterback and they had a brief exchange that ended with both men walking away with some hotness in their steps. We couldn’t hear what was said but it was clear coach Campbell was not thrilled with some of Goff’s decisions with the ball.

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/list...them&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Lions camp tidbit:

A day after offensive coordinator Anthony Lynn defended the relative lack of deep throws in practice thus far, his offense opened up drills with a series of deep-ball reps. If it wasn’t deliberate, it sure felt that way.

Jared Goff was decent in the drill. He uncorked a couple of very nice corner routes that had no problem hitting 50 yards in the air. Goff also rifled a deep seam laser to Quintez Cephus, who nicely played off the outside leverage from the coverage to get open to the inside. Backup Tim Boyle connected on a few nice deep shots, too. But Goff looked great in dealing throws all over the deeper realms of the field.

But when the offense progressed to team drills (11 vs. 11), it’s as if the impressive early drill never took place. Goff consistently checked down almost immediately. On one rep he never even looked at Kalif Raymond on a wheel from the slot that the coverage botched. It should have been an easy pitch-and-catch deep TD. Instead, Goff forced a ball to a covered T.J. Hockenson underneath that left the Pro Bowl TE exposed to a kill shot from the LB if the defense was so motivated. Goff later missed seeing Tyrell Williams on a hitch route that sent outside CB Amani Oruwariye losing his footing.

After the drill was over and Goff had eschewed even trying the deep throw, Campbell animatedly approached the quarterback and they had a brief exchange that ended with both men walking away with some hotness in their steps. We couldn’t hear what was said but it was clear coach Campbell was not thrilled with some of Goff’s decisions with the ball.

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/list...them&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter

I actually feel bad for him at this point.

 

[Florida_Ram]

This thread still has legs?

I'm kicking my legs up on my lazy boy recliner and refuse to add anymore of my high IQ and intellect.

I'll keep away going forward and lurk back when I'm board when the Rams have off days during the rest of training camp.

 

[hotanez]

I actually feel bad for him at this point.

Fuck makes me feel sick to be honest. I know it was time for him to go but I was hoping he could turn it around in Detroit. Sucks because he's a good guy.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Title edited for future bumps

 

[jrry32]

Lions camp tidbit:

A day after offensive coordinator Anthony Lynn defended the relative lack of deep throws in practice thus far, his offense opened up drills with a series of deep-ball reps. If it wasn’t deliberate, it sure felt that way.

Jared Goff was decent in the drill. He uncorked a couple of very nice corner routes that had no problem hitting 50 yards in the air. Goff also rifled a deep seam laser to Quintez Cephus, who nicely played off the outside leverage from the coverage to get open to the inside. Backup Tim Boyle connected on a few nice deep shots, too. But Goff looked great in dealing throws all over the deeper realms of the field.

But when the offense progressed to team drills (11 vs. 11), it’s as if the impressive early drill never took place. Goff consistently checked down almost immediately. On one rep he never even looked at Kalif Raymond on a wheel from the slot that the coverage botched. It should have been an easy pitch-and-catch deep TD. Instead, Goff forced a ball to a covered T.J. Hockenson underneath that left the Pro Bowl TE exposed to a kill shot from the LB if the defense was so motivated. Goff later missed seeing Tyrell Williams on a hitch route that sent outside CB Amani Oruwariye losing his footing.

After the drill was over and Goff had eschewed even trying the deep throw, Campbell animatedly approached the quarterback and they had a brief exchange that ended with both men walking away with some hotness in their steps. We couldn’t hear what was said but it was clear coach Campbell was not thrilled with some of Goff’s decisions with the ball.

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/list...them&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter

Seems like a good thing to me. New offense and camp. Chew your QB out, light a fire under him, and hopefully he'll respond by being aggressive. I think it likely helps Goff. He knows he has a HC who wants him to go for it, not just play to avoid mistakes.

 

[Dodgersrf]

Seems like a good thing to me. New offense and camp. Chew your QB out, light a fire under him, and hopefully he'll respond by being aggressive. I think it likely helps Goff. He knows he has a HC who wants him to go for it, not just play to avoid mistakes.

Anthony Lynn, is going to want to run the ball as well. Probably more than Detroit has seen since Barry Sanders was there.

 

[12intheBox]

Anthony Lynn, is going to want to run the ball as well. Probably more than Detroit has seen since Barry Sanders was there.

I’m sure they will want to. But will they be able to?

they will probably be down more than they will be up - and that can dictate the game flow as we remember all too well from basically 2004 thru Fisher.

 

[Dodgersrf]

I’m sure they will want to. But will they be able to?

they will probably be down more than they will be up - and that can dictate the game flow as we remember all too well from basically 2004 thru Fisher.

That's the million dollar question.

Their Defense isn't going to help them.

I bet Lynn will do everything he can to maintain the clock.
Long, slow, dink and dunk drives.

 

[SWAdude]

I missed this thread. I do not know why.

Generators seemed to be more important. Good lord.

I know one thing personally, I was never confident which Goff was going to show up. Ever.

I am excited to see Stafford. It seems like a logical fit.

Our future is what we should all question. If we can get eight GREAT years out of Stafford, good deal.

If a couple........well.........then what?

Will be there on Sunday night against the Bears. So excited!

 

[MachS]

Lions camp tidbit:

A day after offensive coordinator Anthony Lynn defended the relative lack of deep throws in practice thus far, his offense opened up drills with a series of deep-ball reps. If it wasn’t deliberate, it sure felt that way.

Jared Goff was decent in the drill. He uncorked a couple of very nice corner routes that had no problem hitting 50 yards in the air. Goff also rifled a deep seam laser to Quintez Cephus, who nicely played off the outside leverage from the coverage to get open to the inside. Backup Tim Boyle connected on a few nice deep shots, too. But Goff looked great in dealing throws all over the deeper realms of the field.

But when the offense progressed to team drills (11 vs. 11), it’s as if the impressive early drill never took place. Goff consistently checked down almost immediately. On one rep he never even looked at Kalif Raymond on a wheel from the slot that the coverage botched. It should have been an easy pitch-and-catch deep TD. Instead, Goff forced a ball to a covered T.J. Hockenson underneath that left the Pro Bowl TE exposed to a kill shot from the LB if the defense was so motivated. Goff later missed seeing Tyrell Williams on a hitch route that sent outside CB Amani Oruwariye losing his footing.

After the drill was over and Goff had eschewed even trying the deep throw, Campbell animatedly approached the quarterback and they had a brief exchange that ended with both men walking away with some hotness in their steps. We couldn’t hear what was said but it was clear coach Campbell was not thrilled with some of Goff’s decisions with the ball.

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/list...them&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter

Cant read a defense in LA, cant read a defense in Detroit. Whats new. A new atmosphere wont help a QB learn how to go through progressions. Why people expect that to change is insane to me. Some defended Goff so passionately they actually convinced themselves that McVay was holding Goff back. After this year watching Stafford and Goff both closely there will no longer be any doubt.

Sucks for Goff the person though, he was always a pro's pro and tough as nails. Seems to be a good dude. But there are levels to playing QB. While Detroit hasn't won much they've had the luxury of having an elite talent under center for a decade. I mean just reconcile the things coming out of both camps about the QB play. Det vs LA. Its laughable.

 

[Neil039]

I’m rooting for him to succeed. G-Off gave us hope when we hadn’t sniffed it in years.

People can blame Goff, McVay , the O-line,or Satan…it just didn’t work out in LA.

He QB’d a Super Bowl bound team, gave us the KC Game for all ages and helped us forget the names of Bradford, Davis, Foles, and Keenum.

He’s not the QB here anymore, he wasn’t a douché canoe so he has my respect.

Hoping Stafford proves the Rams Front Office made a great decision. Because if they didn’t, then by Gawd Ram fans may all collectively stroke out.