The Goff watch thread

[jrry32]

Didnt flex much against the Cowboys starters today either. Not his fault, but the interior OL still struggles on 7 step drops.

Would rather they get the bad reps out of the way now. This is where you make your mistakes and get the problems cleaned up, hopefully.

 

[Angry Ram]

you mean the exact same thing stafford is doing at the rams?

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Not being touted as some ground breaking performance. He already came in like that. Been there, done that.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Not being touted as some ground breaking performance. He already came in like that. Been there, done that.

where did that tweet tout a ground breaking performance? it was the beat writer conveying to the public what happened in the 1st drive.

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[Angry Ram]

where did that tweet tout a ground breaking performance? it was the beat writer conveying to the public what happened in the 1st drive.

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Ok.

 

[Merlin]

look to yourself about thinking you're above the shit and you need to deal with your BS.

Yeah I fully admit I can be an asshole in discussions like this. In fact I just was an asshole. I'm tired of the denial though.

But I'm also tired of creating hard feelings through Goff discussions. So gonna try to stay out of these things because no matter how one might try nobody is convincing anyone else of anything different. All it does seem to create is hard feelings and I know I have done my share there.

So cheers and gonna do what I said I'd do before and try to move on.

 

[Angry Ram]

Yeah I fully admit I can be an asshole in discussions like this. In fact I just was an asshole. I'm tired of the denial though.

But I'm also tired of creating hard feelings through Goff discussions. So gonna try to stay out of these things because no matter how one might try nobody is convincing anyone else of anything different. All it does seem to create is hard feelings and I know I have done my share there.

So cheers and gonna do what I said I'd do before and try to move on.

Idk. Being the asshole is kinda fun.

Wanna form the ROD's nWo?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

That may be true and probably is true. The two play system isn't an example of McVay simplifying the offense for him. As I said, LaFleur did it for Aaron Rodgers who probably doesn't need that help. It's just a part of the system.

I wasn't referring to the two play system.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

He also hurt the offense in 2019 and 2020 and quite possibly hurt his QB's development. It's very easy to see and he attempted to remedy some of those changes this past off season. I've yet to see anybody saying Jared is great or perfect or doesn't deserve criticism. I've seen very few people say part of the problem extends beyond Jared as well.

And damnit I swore off these shit on former player threads and people just won't let it die and I get dragged back into peoples shit.

Not exactly true. One member blames McVay entirely. I don't understand how anyone blames McVay. What did he do wrong? He tried to make it work. He tried to make it easier. Was it McVay's fault that Goff didn't learn how to read defenses quickly enough, and not be able to feel the rush at the same time? What exactly did he do to hurt the development of Goff? He had a good plan to beat Miami but Goff didn't execute it. Did he make Goff start a San Francisco game out 0 for 9 passing? ( I think it was more than that). Is McVay a bad coach? I don't ever know where people are going with this. What should the coach have done better?

 

[jrry32]

Not exactly true. One member blames McVay entirely. I don't understand how anyone blames McVay. What did he do wrong? He tried to make it work. He tried to make it easier. Was it McVay's fault that Goff didn't learn how to read defenses quickly enough, and not be able to feel the rush at the same time? What exactly did he do to hurt the development of Goff? He had a good plan to beat Miami but Goff didn't execute it. Did he make Goff start a San Francisco game out 0 for 9 passing? ( I think it was more than that). Is McVay a bad coach? I don't ever know where people are going with this. What should the coach have done better?

McVay is a great coach. I'm glad we have him. I don't think anybody can really say definitively whose fault it is right now. (It's not like Wolford dominated in the Arizona game.) My best guess is that it was much more Goff's fault in 2020 than McVay's. Goff flat out sucked in some games, including that SF game. But we'll find out how Goff does in the next few years without McVay and how McVay does with Stafford. It may well be that both just needed the break up.

 

[1maGoh]

I wasn't referring to the two play system.

I'm not going to look through every page (I looked through a bunch though), but I know somebody mentioned it. I thought it was you, but it could have been somebody else. Might have been another thread, but that's unlikely.

In the face of not having evidence that you did mention it, I apologize for arguing about things you never said. My bad man.

FWIW, I think you're right about the roll outs. We did a lot of those in 2017 when we had a good o-line. Scaled them back in 2018 (it felt like anyway). Then we saw a resurgence in 2020 at least.

 

[jrry32]

I'm not going to look through every page (I looked through a bunch though), but I know somebody mentioned it. I thought it was you, but it could have been somebody else. Might have been another thread, but that's unlikely.

In the face of not having evidence that you did mention it, I apologize for arguing about things you never said. My bad man.

FWIW, I think you're right about the roll outs. We did a lot of those in 2017 when we had a good o-line. Scaled them back in 2018 (it felt like anyway). Then we saw a resurgence in 2020 at least.

We used them a lot late in 2019 with our iffy OL (especially in the second SF game, after they dominated our OL in the first game). I'm not sold it was to simplify the reads. I think it was more about compensating for the OL when it was being leaky.

 

[badnews]

Not responding specifically to this last post, but I have to say that I don't like much about this thread. And I don't much like what the debate about our former qb has done to this forum.

I have a couple of my points of my own to make.

To me, focusing solely on a qb rarely if ever captures the full story of an offense. Everyone seems to agree that was the case with respect to Stafford in Detroit. I happen to think it was also the case the last two years for the Rams, when the offense lacked the playmakers, speed, and blocking in the middle of the line which they had when the offense was leading the league. But to say that doesn't mean the qb played well, just that there's more to it than that.

I am also more than disappointed with the gleeful trashing of our former qb. Goff had a couple of great years, took the Rams to the Super Bowl. He won a playoff game for us last year and could have won another if Donald was healthy and Kupp was on the field. All of this is more than Stafford has ever accomplished (but I know, it wasn't his fault.)

I also understand why McVay wanted Stafford. Stafford is a talented veteran qb and a smart, genuine human being. It remains to be seen if he walks on water as some posters expect but I hope he lights it up for the Rams. I'm also happy to see that some weaknesses in the O the last couple of years have been addressed by McVay.

But it isn't necessary to just keep dumping on Goff. It's poor sportsmanship. It's disrepectful of the Rams' accomplishments the last few years. And it's over.

Move on.

Great post
Says everything that needs to be said on this topic, from my point of view anyways..

 

[oldnotdead]

Win-Win: Stafford looks good in joint practice. Threw an INT and is still dialing in his deep ball accuracy, but in all other phases apparently looked very sharp.

Goff started slowly the past few days, continuously opting for the "safe" passes. After talking to HC Campbell who told him it was okay to take chances, he threw a pass like he used to do in 2018. He threw a bullet to his TE who looks to be the Lion's primary receiver who was in triple coverage.

Looks like it's going to work out just fine for both teams.

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MODERATOR COMMENT: Looks like this thread needs a break.

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