The Goff watch thread

[Merlin]

WTF dude - name calling is inappropriate.

The way you were cherry picking there I thought you must be a family member or something. If you're not, well, then that is just very strange behavior to me.

Going forward I don't care if you have a shrine to Goff or worship the dude on Sundays. Knock yourself out. But if you're gonna do all that don't be surprised when people have a good laugh at your expense. I certainly will. Sorry man. And cheers.

 

[Tano]

The way you were cherry picking there I thought you must be a family member or something. If you're not, well, then that is just very strange behavior to me.

Going forward I don't care if you have a shrine to Goff or worship the dude on Sundays. Knock yourself out. But if you're gonna do all that don't be surprised when people have a good laugh at your expense. I certainly will. Sorry man. And cheers.

Just defending the dude against what I feel are overstated objections since I see similar issues with almost all QBs

No shrine here just feel bad for the guy who assisted in turning us from a perpetually losing team to a winning team and is bombarded with criticisms that I feel may not be justified.

I will always root for the guy since he did so much for us except when he plays against us.

I still think we make the SB last year if Reynolds catches that pass.

If Brady plays like he did in the championship game against us, we win that game.

 

[Mojo Ram]

While mistakes was the #1 problem, the #2 problem was simply that he didn't make enough plays. It had gotten to the point where i felt like our WR's had to get WIDE open and make a hero ball run to the house if we needed points. Thankfully we had a running game and a defense.

 

[Tano]

While mistakes was the #1 problem, the #2 problem was simply that he didn't make enough plays. It had gotten to the point where i felt like our WR's had to get WIDE open and make a hero ball run to the house if we needed points. Thankfully we had a running game and a defense.

I wii agree that he can’t make plays on his own if he doesn’t have time to throw. Big weakness there. When he has time, he consistently can throw balls on the money.

 

[FrantikRam]

I wii agree that he can’t make plays on his own if he doesn’t have time to throw. Big weakness there. When he has time, he consistently can throw balls on the money.

There are multiple instances in the video in this thread and that I noticed on replays where he too often made the wrong decision when he had time. That coupled with the turnovers is what made me go from "Goff can still be that guy" at the beginning of the year to "he has to go" after the Niners game.

There were probably an equal number of good plays and turnover/wrong decision plays - which likely lead to the two drastically different sides on this forum (glass half full with him, glass half empty).

The ironic thing about it is that the hyperbole was only relevant for past posters like LA Champ - me, nor @Elmgrovegnome or @Merlin never once said everything around him was perfect. The three of us, and many others - pointed to only what we felt were HIS issues. There's room for disagreement there when it comes to McVays handling of him and/or play calling - although since we don't actually know about those things, it does open it up to discuss other things we dont know about, such as Goff's work ethic - but the most unbelievably bizarre defense of him by trashing the OL and WRs was some twilight zone type stuff. Because never once did we say "even though Blythe got beat right away...." - never. The things that bothered most of us were the mistakes and poor decisions when he did have time, of which there were too many.

 

[Tano]

There are multiple instances in the video in this thread and that I noticed on replays where he too often made the wrong decision when he had time. That coupled with the turnovers is what made me go from "Goff can still be that guy" at the beginning of the year to "he has to go" after the Niners game.

There were probably an equal number of good plays and turnover/wrong decision plays - which likely lead to the two drastically different sides on this forum (glass half full with him, glass half empty).

The ironic thing about it is that the hyperbole was only relevant for past posters like LA Champ - me, nor @Elmgrovegnome or @Merlin never once said everything around him was perfect. The three of us, and many others - pointed to only what we felt were HIS issues. There's room for disagreement there when it comes to McVays handling of him and/or play calling - although since we don't actually know about those things, it does open it up to discuss other things we dont know about, such as Goff's work ethic - but the most unbelievably bizarre defense of him by trashing the OL and WRs was some twilight zone type stuff. Because never once did we say "even though Blythe got beat right away...." - never. The things that bothered most of us were the mistakes and poor decisions when he did have time, of which there were too many.

Okay I can see that but I did review a lot of his plays and he only made mistakes when he had time on about 10% of his throws. That might be too many to some of you. I thought that was an acceptable percentage. Don't believe me on that percentage, re-watch his games and tell me what the percentage was. I could be wrong because I will admit I am biased on Goff's side.

 

[bluecoconuts]

Don't worry fellas, we all check our ex's social media accounts from time to time.

 

[nighttrain]

to all my Ram family,
Goff is gone, Stafford is here
the old king is dead, long live the new king

train

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Manning Brady Stafford Rothlisberger Brees etc

Of course I am only going by stats right now so can't tell you if that was just because of getting better players or what

You are right though - no guarantee

But you could see their ability right away. You didn’t with Goff until McVay was telling him in his headset before the play. Then when teams caught up to that he was stuck again. So was it Jarred? Or McVays brain with Jarreds physical ability?

In 2019 and on McVay tried to simplify his offense to help Jarred with all of the rollouts to cut the field down. So far Goff has not shown the ability to get past certain attacks despite seeing them several times.

What I question is his ability to quickly read defenses and make split second adjustments. If he can not process fast enough then I doubt he can overcome that part of the game. He’s had five years to show progress but he only regressed.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Okay I can see that but I did review a lot of his plays and he only made mistakes when he had time on about 10% of his throws. That might be too many to some of you. I thought that was an acceptable percentage. Don't believe me on that percentage, re-watch his games and tell me what the percentage was. I could be wrong because I will admit I am biased on Goff's side.

How is it possible to know without knowing the play call. Also it negates that McVay had already pared the offense down to make it easier. Just say 10% of the time is accurate, how good is that in a simplified version of the offense?

 

[tomas]

Without offensive guru Sean McVay's tutelage, Jared Goff will be exposed as a mediocre QB with a low Football IQ and a pop gun arm.

 

[Tano]

How is it possible to know without knowing the play call. Also it negates that McVay had already pared the offense down to make it easier. Just say 10% of the time is accurate, how good is that in a simplified version of the offense?

And I have always responded that how do we know McVay didn't pare down the offense because he did notice the limitations of the center position.

We don't know for sure.

I watch the Green Bay game and see a highly intelligent QB who made every throw when he had time.

However, on second and third and long, Blythe and Evans did a terrible job of protecting the passer.

I think Goff got sacked 4 times that game on those downs and we did half back draws or short passes over the middle on the other second or third and long plays.

 

[oldnotdead]

Goff wasn't McVay's QB. Rather he was the QB Sean inherited. Funny how Goff was good enough to get to the SB where by his own admission McVay was simply outcoached but Goff gets the blame?? Snead drafts the OL but McVay keeps an inept OL coach in place after the disaster of 2019.

In 2019 McVay dismantles the OL that got them to the SB. Gurley's knees start to fail and Goff is left with one of the worst OL's in the country and no run game. Yet Goff was good enough to carry the team to 9-7 and gets all the criticism for McVay's mishandling of the roster and coaching staff.

2020 Goff finally has a run game and the OL is somewhat better, but McVay leaves Blythe as his scrub center and turnstile Havenstein in place. OL still is coached by inept Kromer who only knows outside zone run blocking. Again Goff is expected to carry the team and does to a 10-6 record. It would have been better but the kicking game sucked. Red zone failures are mainly coaching failures. Poor playcalling and design. But Goff still gets all the blame.

2021 McVay now has his own QB. He invests that QB in the offense in ways he never did with Goff, i.e. he incorporates what Stafford tells him is his strengths. This offense will be designed specifically for Stafford in ways McVay refused to do with Goff. Goff's erratic play is indicative of a player trying too hard to be his HC's perfect QB. He had no problems with deep accuracy in 2018, but by 2020 he was Sean's whipped dog. Now in 2021 guess what? McVay decides he needs a new center. Wow-what a revelation!! All the changes in the OL that should have been done in 2020 are now done in 2021 for Stafford. Improved OL and most of all a legitimate OL coach in Carberry. All the while people are still blaming Goff for golden boy's frustrations. When a QB regresses it's almost always a coaching failure. But no one wants to go down that road. In Stafford McVay doesn't have to develop a talent, he can instead mine Stafford's experience to improve his own.

I'm glad McVay is the Ram's coach. But I'm not blind to his shortcomings. No more excuses Sean your whipping boy is gone. Time to deliver. If Goff was so terrible why did the Rams have winning records when he was getting beaten to a pulp by a poorly coached OL? Funny how the media pundits don't want to talk about that.

Stafford and Goff both are in better situations. Goff is on a team that values him and wants him as their QB going forward. The HC is investing him in the offensive design. Stafford finally has the talent on both sides of the ball he deserves. I think both QBs will succeed. IMO Holmes will build Detroit quickly, and Stafford's trade will make that possible. Once Rodgers is gone from GB next year, Detroit will have the best QB in their division. Stafford gives the Ram's parity at QB with Seattle. Murray is one hit away from running off to play baseball. The Niners have a 2-3 year QB development in front of them. They won't know what they have until 2023. AZ will be rebuilding with a new HC next year. The Rams have at least a 3 year SB window in front of them, more depending upon how things go in Seattle and SF.

 

[Tano]

Goff wasn't McVay's QB. Rather he was the QB Sean inherited. Funny how Goff was good enough to get to the SB where by his own admission McVay was simply outcoached but Goff gets the blame?? Snead drafts the OL but McVay keeps an inept OL coach in place after the disaster of 2019.

In 2019 McVay dismantles the OL that got them to the SB. Gurley's knees start to fail and Goff is left with one of the worst OL's in the country and no run game. Yet Goff was good enough to carry the team to 9-7 and gets all the criticism for McVay's mishandling of the roster and coaching staff.

2020 Goff finally has a run game and the OL is somewhat better, but McVay leaves Blythe as his scrub center and turnstile Havenstein in place. OL still is coached by inept Kromer who only knows outside zone run blocking. Again Goff is expected to carry the team and does to a 10-6 record. It would have been better but the kicking game sucked. Red zone failures are mainly coaching failures. Poor playcalling and design. But Goff still gets all the blame.

2021 McVay now has his own QB. He invests that QB in the offense in ways he never did with Goff, i.e. he incorporates what Stafford tells him is his strengths. This offense will be designed specifically for Stafford in ways McVay refused to do with Goff. Goff's erratic play is indicative of a player trying too hard to be his HC's perfect QB. He had no problems with deep accuracy in 2018, but by 2020 he was Sean's whipped dog. Now in 2021 guess what? McVay decides he needs a new center. Wow-what a revelation!! All the changes in the OL that should have been done in 2020 are now done in 2021 for Stafford. Improved OL and most of all a legitimate OL coach in Carberry. All the while people are still blaming Goff for golden boy's frustrations. When a QB regresses it's almost always a coaching failure. But no one wants to go down that road. In Stafford McVay doesn't have to develop a talent, he can instead mine Stafford's experience to improve his own.

I'm glad McVay is the Ram's coach. But I'm not blind to his shortcomings. No more excuses Sean your whipping boy is gone. Time to deliver. If Goff was so terrible why did the Rams have winning records when he was getting beaten to a pulp by a poorly coached OL? Funny how the media pundits don't want to talk about that.

Stafford and Goff both are in better situations. Goff is on a team that values him and wants him as their QB going forward. The HC is investing him in the offensive design. Stafford finally has the talent on both sides of the ball he deserves. I think both QBs will succeed. IMO Holmes will build Detroit quickly, and Stafford's trade will make that possible. Once Rodgers is gone from GB next year, Detroit will have the best QB in their division. Stafford gives the Ram's parity at QB with Seattle. Murray is one hit away from running off to play baseball. The Niners have a 2-3 year QB development in front of them. They won't know what they have until 2023. AZ will be rebuilding with a new HC next year. The Rams have at least a 3 year SB window in front of them, more depending upon how things go in Seattle and SF.

I think McVay really liked Goff until he started making really bad decisions starting with the Miami game.

After that it was all downhill between Goff and McVay and Goff started to play hero ball and really screwing up.

That fumble against San Fran and the interception against Seattle - both plays by a QB who was trying way too hard to please his coach and instead getting even in worse with his coach. It wasn't until the Seattle playoff game that Goff decided to play within his means (mostly because of his thumb injury) and actually started to make good decisions again. But by then it was too late. McVay had already decided to part ways with Goff. His postgame interview after the Arizona game and then the Green Bay game made it apparent that he was fed up with Goff and was moving on to another QB no matter what it took.

 

[Reddog99]

I supported Goff when he was here and yes McVay makes mistakes he is human after all and he's a young HC who's still learning. But blaming McVay for Goffs shortcomings is ridiculous. Goff had won 0 games before Sean and it wasn't until after Sean's arrival that Goff became successful. If not for Mcvay then Goff most likely never sees a SB or that big payday. Goff played his part and was pretty good at times but he has McVay to thank for a lot of what he's achieved in the NFL. Again I'm not a Goff hater at all in fact I wish him well in Detroit but Mcvay is what made this team so successful and is the reason for 4 winning seasons.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Goff wasn't McVay's QB. Rather he was the QB Sean inherited. Funny how Goff was good enough to get to the SB where by his own admission McVay was simply outcoached but Goff gets the blame?? Snead drafts the OL but McVay keeps an inept OL coach in place after the disaster of 2019.

In 2019 McVay dismantles the OL that got them to the SB. Gurley's knees start to fail and Goff is left with one of the worst OL's in the country and no run game. Yet Goff was good enough to carry the team to 9-7 and gets all the criticism for McVay's mishandling of the roster and coaching staff.

2020 Goff finally has a run game and the OL is somewhat better, but McVay leaves Blythe as his scrub center and turnstile Havenstein in place. OL still is coached by inept Kromer who only knows outside zone run blocking. Again Goff is expected to carry the team and does to a 10-6 record. It would have been better but the kicking game sucked. Red zone failures are mainly coaching failures. Poor playcalling and design. But Goff still gets all the blame.

2021 McVay now has his own QB. He invests that QB in the offense in ways he never did with Goff, i.e. he incorporates what Stafford tells him is his strengths. This offense will be designed specifically for Stafford in ways McVay refused to do with Goff. Goff's erratic play is indicative of a player trying too hard to be his HC's perfect QB. He had no problems with deep accuracy in 2018, but by 2020 he was Sean's whipped dog. Now in 2021 guess what? McVay decides he needs a new center. Wow-what a revelation!! All the changes in the OL that should have been done in 2020 are now done in 2021 for Stafford. Improved OL and most of all a legitimate OL coach in Carberry. All the while people are still blaming Goff for golden boy's frustrations. When a QB regresses it's almost always a coaching failure. But no one wants to go down that road. In Stafford McVay doesn't have to develop a talent, he can instead mine Stafford's experience to improve his own.

I'm glad McVay is the Ram's coach. But I'm not blind to his shortcomings. No more excuses Sean your whipping boy is gone. Time to deliver. If Goff was so terrible why did the Rams have winning records when he was getting beaten to a pulp by a poorly coached OL? Funny how the media pundits don't want to talk about that.

Stafford and Goff both are in better situations. Goff is on a team that values him and wants him as their QB going forward. The HC is investing him in the offensive design. Stafford finally has the talent on both sides of the ball he deserves. I think both QBs will succeed. IMO Holmes will build Detroit quickly, and Stafford's trade will make that possible. Once Rodgers is gone from GB next year, Detroit will have the best QB in their division. Stafford gives the Ram's parity at QB with Seattle. Murray is one hit away from running off to play baseball. The Niners have a 2-3 year QB development in front of them. They won't know what they have until 2023. AZ will be rebuilding with a new HC next year. The Rams have at least a 3 year SB window in front of them, more depending upon how things go in Seattle and SF.

That’s amazing how you can do that. Do you actually believe that crap?

Tell us what Goff’s strengths are and how McVay could have used them better?

Tell us how he could have fixed the offensive line after seeing Blythe and Sullivan were inept at figuring out stunts.

It’s that the Rams have sucked for so many years and then McVay turns it all around and you can find so much wrong with the way he coaches. He’s been doing pretty good in comparison to the rest of the league.

 

[Tano]

I supported Goff when he was here and yes McVay makes mistakes he is human after all and he's a young HC who's still learning. But blaming McVay for Goffs shortcomings is ridiculous. Goff had won 0 games before Sean and it wasn't until after Sean's arrival that Goff became successful. If not for Mcvay then Goff most likely never sees a SB or that big payday. Goff played his part and was pretty good at times but he has McVay to thank for a lot of what he's achieved in the NFL. Again I'm not a Goff hater at all in fact I wish him well in Detroit but Mcvay is what made this team so successful and is the reason for 4 winning seasons.

I completely agree that it was mostly McVay that brought us these winning seasons. But Goff did contribute and for that I will always be grateful that he was our QB these last 4 years.

Hopefully Stafford is all that he seems to be and we do even better with Stafford at the helm.

 

[Tano]

That’s amazing how you can do that. Do you actually believe that crap?

Tell us what Goff’s strengths are and how McVay could have used them better?

Tell us how he could have fixed the offensive line after seeing Blythe and Sullivan were inept at figuring out stunts.

It’s that the Rams have sucked for so many years and then McVay turns it all around and you can find so much wrong with the way he coaches. He’s been doing pretty good in comparison to the rest of the league.

Sullivan was actually pretty good at figuring out stunts. I just think Sullivan's body wore out at the end of 2018.

 

[jjab360]

Goff wasn't McVay's QB. Rather he was the QB Sean inherited. Funny how Goff was good enough to get to the SB where by his own admission McVay was simply outcoached but Goff gets the blame?? Snead drafts the OL but McVay keeps an inept OL coach in place after the disaster of 2019.

In 2019 McVay dismantles the OL that got them to the SB. Gurley's knees start to fail and Goff is left with one of the worst OL's in the country and no run game. Yet Goff was good enough to carry the team to 9-7 and gets all the criticism for McVay's mishandling of the roster and coaching staff.

2020 Goff finally has a run game and the OL is somewhat better, but McVay leaves Blythe as his scrub center and turnstile Havenstein in place. OL still is coached by inept Kromer who only knows outside zone run blocking. Again Goff is expected to carry the team and does to a 10-6 record. It would have been better but the kicking game sucked. Red zone failures are mainly coaching failures. Poor playcalling and design. But Goff still gets all the blame.

2021 McVay now has his own QB. He invests that QB in the offense in ways he never did with Goff, i.e. he incorporates what Stafford tells him is his strengths. This offense will be designed specifically for Stafford in ways McVay refused to do with Goff. Goff's erratic play is indicative of a player trying too hard to be his HC's perfect QB. He had no problems with deep accuracy in 2018, but by 2020 he was Sean's whipped dog. Now in 2021 guess what? McVay decides he needs a new center. Wow-what a revelation!! All the changes in the OL that should have been done in 2020 are now done in 2021 for Stafford. Improved OL and most of all a legitimate OL coach in Carberry. All the while people are still blaming Goff for golden boy's frustrations. When a QB regresses it's almost always a coaching failure. But no one wants to go down that road. In Stafford McVay doesn't have to develop a talent, he can instead mine Stafford's experience to improve his own.

I'm glad McVay is the Ram's coach. But I'm not blind to his shortcomings. No more excuses Sean your whipping boy is gone. Time to deliver. If Goff was so terrible why did the Rams have winning records when he was getting beaten to a pulp by a poorly coached OL? Funny how the media pundits don't want to talk about that.

Stafford and Goff both are in better situations. Goff is on a team that values him and wants him as their QB going forward. The HC is investing him in the offensive design. Stafford finally has the talent on both sides of the ball he deserves. I think both QBs will succeed. IMO Holmes will build Detroit quickly, and Stafford's trade will make that possible. Once Rodgers is gone from GB next year, Detroit will have the best QB in their division. Stafford gives the Ram's parity at QB with Seattle. Murray is one hit away from running off to play baseball. The Niners have a 2-3 year QB development in front of them. They won't know what they have until 2023. AZ will be rebuilding with a new HC next year. The Rams have at least a 3 year SB window in front of them, more depending upon how things go in Seattle and SF.

I don't normally invest myself in these Goff vs. Stafford arguments, but there's some bad takes here imo.

If you really don't think the offense was designed specifically for Goff, you haven't been paying attention. Everything about the offense was designed to enhance Goff's strengths and hide his weaknesses. And what are all these changes that we've made to the OL personnel? We didn't draft any or sign any big names in free agency, the only difference is Blythe left and he wasn't nearly the liability he's been made out to be on this board. And for that matter, Aaron Kromer deserves some respect for what he accomplished on the OL as well. Night and day from prior to when he joined us in 2017 without really any big name acquisitions other than Whitworth.

And you really think Goff "carried" this team last year and not the no.1 defense in the NFL?

The fact is the guy has more turnovers over the last few years than anyone not named Jameis Winston and turnovers are rarely on coaching or scheme. And the fact that he has that many turnovers with how conservative he's been with the ball and unwillingness to throw down the field is astounding to me. Good luck to him in Detroit, but it was time to move on.

 

[FrantikRam]

Okay I can see that but I did review a lot of his plays and he only made mistakes when he had time on about 10% of his throws. That might be too many to some of you. I thought that was an acceptable percentage. Don't believe me on that percentage, re-watch his games and tell me what the percentage was. I could be wrong because I will admit I am biased on Goff's side.

Oh I believe 10% - problem is that the 10% came in spurts. So it was probably 20-25% in half the games instead of 10% in every game, which we may have been able to overcome more consistently.