The Goff watch thread

[Merlin]

Something changed in him last year IMO, it was like all the pressure started to break him down or something. Not physical pressure but the competitive pressure of being this team's QB. The NFL is not for everyone, and sometimes even guys with high end physical talent wear down and wash out.

Someday we'll see a lot of shit come out about this though I think. And we'll find out there was more going on behind the scenes with the team than people realized. I suspect he lost the team's confidence in addition to that of McVay. Just no way to my mind that did not happen. And that's something you really can't come back from with a tuned up deep playoff roster.

 

[Shuie3225]

Something changed in him last year IMO, it was like all the pressure started to break him down or something. Not physical pressure but the competitive pressure of being this team's QB. The NFL is not for everyone, and sometimes even guys with high end physical talent wear down and wash out.

Someday we'll see a lot of shit come out about this though I think. And we'll find out there was more going on behind the scenes with the team than people realized. I suspect he lost the team's confidence in addition to that of McVay. Just no way to my mind that did not happen. And that's something you really can't come back from with a tuned up deep playoff roster.

How would he not lose the teams respect and confidence? He was playing very bad football last year. And a large portion of 2019. Not to mention the SB performance. Many times he was the main reason we were losing games. He was also the highest paid player on the team. He wasn't a great leader (confirmed by Aqib Talib on his podcast recently). His body language on the sidelines never seemed good. McVay is ultra competitive so how would all these things not bug the hell out of him?

Im not suggesting the team leaders went to McVay and demanded a new QB or anything, but I think the team knew it would be hard to win big games given his play of late. To me it was evident when Wolford got the two starts, the team seemed way more juiced up.

 

[jjab360]

How would he not lose the teams respect and confidence? He was playing very bad football last year. And a large portion of 2019. Not to mention the SB performance. Many times he was the main reason we were losing games. He was also the highest paid player on the team. He wasn't a great leader (confirmed by Aqib Talib on his podcast recently). His body language on the sidelines never seemed good. McVay is ultra competitive so how would all these things not bug the hell out of him?

Im not suggesting the team leaders went to McVay and demanded a new QB or anything, but I think the team knew it would be hard to win big games given his play of late. To me it was evident when Wolford got the two starts, the team seemed way more juiced up.

What's understood doesn't really need to be said. Everybody in the building knew what was going on when Goff was able to play but Wolford still got the start. Goff said he was shocked by the trade but if that's true it only shows he wasn't paying attention tbh

 

[kurtfaulk]

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man, everyone is so gloomy in here towards goff.

let's brighten it up a bit.



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[Elmgrovegnome]

Something changed in him last year IMO, it was like all the pressure started to break him down or something. Not physical pressure but the competitive pressure of being this team's QB. The NFL is not for everyone, and sometimes even guys with high end physical talent wear down and wash out.

Someday we'll see a lot of shit come out about this though I think. And we'll find out there was more going on behind the scenes with the team than people realized. I suspect he lost the team's confidence in addition to that of McVay. Just no way to my mind that did not happen. And that's something you really can't come back from with a tuned up deep playoff roster.

I think that it was implied in one of Jourdan's podcasts that McVay and the team was losing confidence in Goff. When they would experience the degree of work that Wolford put in and how he led the team and kept it all upbeat, the team responded to it. There was a totally different vibe between the two in practices.

 

[oldnotdead]

When a HC begins to expect his QB to be perfect but demands everything be done his way it's going to eventually erode the player's confidence. Every mistake is amplified and the HC's displeasure becomes palpable and to his credit, Goff never pointed fingers or complained even when clearly many things weren't his fault. Even stupid stuff like McVay keeping him in the huddle until it was too late to make reads then blaming all the unnecessary timeouts and delay of game penalties on Goff. Jared continued to hold his tongue and temper. As a fan watching this I would scream at McVay on TV "WTF are you doing?"

Jared was good enough to get them to the Super Bowl but when McVay gets outcoached the loss is all on Goff. What a crock. When you look at his deep throws in 2018 then look at how he got pummelled when McVay got rid of the interior of his OL and replaced them with a scrub and guys who had never played a game in the positions they were expected to play like all pros. But again it was all Jared's fault.

I'm not absolving Goff of all the blame, but I think McVay and his staff bear their share of the blame. When a QB has a season as Jared had in 2018 then suddenly regresses there are reasons and 9 times out of 10 they are coaching-related. Just rewatch that KC game of 2018 where Jared went toe to toe with Mahomes or the Championship game where he outplayed future HOF Brees. That is the QB Goff is capable of being. But with every mistake, the micro-manage screws tightened down instead of searching for answers. There is a very valid point in the observation that if Jared threw that TC INT that Matt threw McVay would be scowling or yelling instead of correcting. How long do you think Stafford would stay if treated like Goff?

I've been on the receiving end of a micro-manager and so I saw the effects clearly. Once again it's inescapable as to why the OL changes made wholesale when Goff was here, weren't made incrementally. Why get rid of both Sullivan and Saffold at the same time? Why play Blythe when you have better options? Why? Because McVay had a whipping boy and the worse he looked the stronger was his own case to get his QB. I don't buy for a minute that Snead went out and made the trade without Sean being intimately consulted. I don't believe for a second Stafford just happened to be in Cabo at exactly the same time as McVay at the same resort. C'mon Man what BS. The trade was started before McVay went to Cabo and that trip was to lull the Niners into thinking they had the weekend when it was obviously arranged for Stafford and McVay to meet up there. When you put 2019-2021 into context with each other McVay's narrative is all BS.

After the disaster of the OL in 2019 why didn't McVay make the coaching change then when it was obvious it needed to be made. It wasn't like Carberry wasn't available. But McVay does it after the OL actually improved in 2020 and after it was clear Stafford was coming.

Some people like to point to Kirk Cousin's as a McVay success story. Go ahead and compare their stats and records and they are not that dissimilar. Cousins has had only one winning season in his career. His best season was 2015 then he backslid in 2016 and 2017 (the last year McVay was in WA) Goff has done nothing but win since 2017 even when he had no OL and run support, hell even the kicking game and STs were crap yet he was the offense and the Rams finished 9-7 and it would have been 10 wins except for a missed FG. But Goff got them into makeable range at the end of the game. The Rams in 2019 were probably as bad as some teams Stafford had in Detroit, but Goff still won. How short memories are right?

Word is Holmes is seeing just how badly Goff has been damaged by McVay like a gunshy dog. That supremely confident QB of 2018 is gone. If Holmes and Campbell can restore Jared's confidence they will indeed have a franchise QB in a division that will be very winnable next year.

So yeah go ahead and rag on Goff but don't forget McVay too because he's just as much at fault and perhaps even more so. I'm not the only one who sees it. Why do you think people are saying "no more excuses"?

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

When a HC begins to expect his QB to be perfect but demands everything be done his way it's going to eventually erode the player's confidence. Every mistake is amplified and the HC's displeasure becomes palpable and to his credit, Goff never pointed fingers or complained even when clearly many things weren't his fault. Even stupid stuff like McVay keeping him in the huddle until it was too late to make reads then blaming all the unnecessary timeouts and delay of game penalties on Goff. Jared continued to hold his tongue and temper. As a fan watching this I would scream at McVay on TV "WTF are you doing?"

Jared was good enough to get them to the Super Bowl but when McVay gets outcoached the loss is all on Goff. What a crock. When you look at his deep throws in 2018 then look at how he got pummelled when McVay got rid of the interior of his OL and replaced them with a scrub and guys who had never played a game in the positions they were expected to play like all pros. But again it was all Jared's fault.

I'm not absolving Goff of all the blame, but I think McVay and his staff bear their share of the blame. When a QB has a season as Jared had in 2018 then suddenly regresses there are reasons and 9 times out of 10 they are coaching-related. Just rewatch that KC game of 2018 where Jared went toe to toe with Mahomes or the Championship game where he outplayed future HOF Brees. That is the QB Goff is capable of being. But with every mistake, the micro-manage screws tightened down instead of searching for answers. There is a very valid point in the observation that if Jared threw that TC INT that Matt threw McVay would be scowling or yelling instead of correcting. How long do you think Stafford would stay if treated like Goff?

I've been on the receiving end of a micro-manager and so I saw the effects clearly. Once again it's inescapable as to why the OL changes made wholesale when Goff was here, weren't made incrementally. Why get rid of both Sullivan and Saffold at the same time? Why play Blythe when you have better options? Why? Because McVay had a whipping boy and the worse he looked the stronger was his own case to get his QB. I don't buy for a minute that Snead went out and made the trade without Sean being intimately consulted. I don't believe for a second Stafford just happened to be in Cabo at exactly the same time as McVay at the same resort. C'mon Man what BS. The trade was started before McVay went to Cabo and that trip was to lull the Niners into thinking they had the weekend when it was obviously arranged for Stafford and McVay to meet up there. When you put 2019-2021 into context with each other McVay's narrative is all BS.

After the disaster of the OL in 2019 why didn't McVay make the coaching change then when it was obvious it needed to be made. It wasn't like Carberry wasn't available. But McVay does it after the OL actually improved in 2020 and after it was clear Stafford was coming.

Some people like to point to Kirk Cousin's as a McVay success story. Go ahead and compare their stats and records and they are not that dissimilar. Cousins has had only one winning season in his career. His best season was 2015 then he backslid in 2016 and 2017 (the last year McVay was in WA) Goff has done nothing but win since 2017 even when he had no OL and run support, hell even the kicking game and STs were crap yet he was the offense and the Rams finished 9-7 and it would have been 10 wins except for a missed FG. But Goff got them into makeable range at the end of the game. The Rams in 2019 were probably as bad as some teams Stafford had in Detroit, but Goff still won. How short memories are right?

Word is Holmes is seeing just how badly Goff has been damaged by McVay like a gunshy dog. That supremely confident QB of 2018 is gone. If Holmes and Campbell can restore Jared's confidence they will indeed have a franchise QB in a division that will be very winnable next year.

So yeah go ahead and rag on Goff but don't forget McVay too because he's just as much at fault and perhaps even more so. I'm not the only one who sees it. Why do you think people are saying "no more excuses"?

Kinda the way I see it too, thing is no one here is going to change existing opinions, so unlike some with other opinions I’m not going to hurl condescending insults, let’s just sit back and see what happens, I think JG best years are ahead of him.

 

[Tano]

Lions camp tidbit:

A day after offensive coordinator Anthony Lynn defended the relative lack of deep throws in practice thus far, his offense opened up drills with a series of deep-ball reps. If it wasn’t deliberate, it sure felt that way.

Jared Goff was decent in the drill. He uncorked a couple of very nice corner routes that had no problem hitting 50 yards in the air. Goff also rifled a deep seam laser to Quintez Cephus, who nicely played off the outside leverage from the coverage to get open to the inside. Backup Tim Boyle connected on a few nice deep shots, too. But Goff looked great in dealing throws all over the deeper realms of the field.

But when the offense progressed to team drills (11 vs. 11), it’s as if the impressive early drill never took place. Goff consistently checked down almost immediately. On one rep he never even looked at Kalif Raymond on a wheel from the slot that the coverage botched. It should have been an easy pitch-and-catch deep TD. Instead, Goff forced a ball to a covered T.J. Hockenson underneath that left the Pro Bowl TE exposed to a kill shot from the LB if the defense was so motivated. Goff later missed seeing Tyrell Williams on a hitch route that sent outside CB Amani Oruwariye losing his footing.

After the drill was over and Goff had eschewed even trying the deep throw, Campbell animatedly approached the quarterback and they had a brief exchange that ended with both men walking away with some hotness in their steps. We couldn’t hear what was said but it was clear coach Campbell was not thrilled with some of Goff’s decisions with the ball.

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/list...them&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter

Cmon man - I will try to be unbiased as possible in the future about Goff since he is on the lions and point out both positives and negatives.

These all negative threads show just how biased you are against Goff.

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

When a HC begins to expect his QB to be perfect but demands everything be done his way it's going to eventually erode the player's confidence. Every mistake is amplified and the HC's displeasure becomes palpable and to his credit, Goff never pointed fingers or complained even when clearly many things weren't his fault. Even stupid stuff like McVay keeping him in the huddle until it was too late to make reads then blaming all the unnecessary timeouts and delay of game penalties on Goff. Jared continued to hold his tongue and temper. As a fan watching this I would scream at McVay on TV "WTF are you doing?"

Jared was good enough to get them to the Super Bowl but when McVay gets outcoached the loss is all on Goff. What a crock. When you look at his deep throws in 2018 then look at how he got pummelled when McVay got rid of the interior of his OL and replaced them with a scrub and guys who had never played a game in the positions they were expected to play like all pros. But again it was all Jared's fault.

I'm not absolving Goff of all the blame, but I think McVay and his staff bear their share of the blame. When a QB has a season as Jared had in 2018 then suddenly regresses there are reasons and 9 times out of 10 they are coaching-related. Just rewatch that KC game of 2018 where Jared went toe to toe with Mahomes or the Championship game where he outplayed future HOF Brees. That is the QB Goff is capable of being. But with every mistake, the micro-manage screws tightened down instead of searching for answers. There is a very valid point in the observation that if Jared threw that TC INT that Matt threw McVay would be scowling or yelling instead of correcting. How long do you think Stafford would stay if treated like Goff?

I've been on the receiving end of a micro-manager and so I saw the effects clearly. Once again it's inescapable as to why the OL changes made wholesale when Goff was here, weren't made incrementally. Why get rid of both Sullivan and Saffold at the same time? Why play Blythe when you have better options? Why? Because McVay had a whipping boy and the worse he looked the stronger was his own case to get his QB. I don't buy for a minute that Snead went out and made the trade without Sean being intimately consulted. I don't believe for a second Stafford just happened to be in Cabo at exactly the same time as McVay at the same resort. C'mon Man what BS. The trade was started before McVay went to Cabo and that trip was to lull the Niners into thinking they had the weekend when it was obviously arranged for Stafford and McVay to meet up there. When you put 2019-2021 into context with each other McVay's narrative is all BS.

After the disaster of the OL in 2019 why didn't McVay make the coaching change then when it was obvious it needed to be made. It wasn't like Carberry wasn't available. But McVay does it after the OL actually improved in 2020 and after it was clear Stafford was coming.

Some people like to point to Kirk Cousin's as a McVay success story. Go ahead and compare their stats and records and they are not that dissimilar. Cousins has had only one winning season in his career. His best season was 2015 then he backslid in 2016 and 2017 (the last year McVay was in WA) Goff has done nothing but win since 2017 even when he had no OL and run support, hell even the kicking game and STs were crap yet he was the offense and the Rams finished 9-7 and it would have been 10 wins except for a missed FG. But Goff got them into makeable range at the end of the game. The Rams in 2019 were probably as bad as some teams Stafford had in Detroit, but Goff still won. How short memories are right?

Word is Holmes is seeing just how badly Goff has been damaged by McVay like a gunshy dog. That supremely confident QB of 2018 is gone. If Holmes and Campbell can restore Jared's confidence they will indeed have a franchise QB in a division that will be very winnable next year.

So yeah go ahead and rag on Goff but don't forget McVay too because he's just as much at fault and perhaps even more so. I'm not the only one who sees it. Why do you think people are saying "no more excuses"?

You're a good speculator, and think it's likely there's a lot of accuracy there. Here's what I would add:
I think McVay had the Rams more prepared than any other coach last offseason. We came out of the gates blazin and crisp compared to other offenses. Then about 1/3 of the way into the season we started getting figured out, and teams realized they could push our OL around on runs, which became readily apparent when Whit went down. (At the same time Staley's D gelled into the force it became.)

I think Goff takes a lot of the grief for us rolling the dice on OL personnel acquisition, etc., but maybe not from McVay--he might've, without feeling that badly about Goff, just seen the chance to upgrade to Stafford and couldn't pass it up.

 

[dieterbrock]

10 pages of folks still shitting on Goff? Man, it's time to move on....
I thought this might have been a "good luck JG" kind of thread but silly me

 

[…..]

I know one thing personally, I was never confident which Goff was going to show up. Ever.

All we had was hope. We hoped that we would have our long term, locally grown, home town hero QB. And we hoped really, REALLY well, didnt we?

 

[…..]

10 pages of folks still shitting on Goff? Man, it's time to move on....
I thought this might have been a "good luck JG" kind of thread but silly me

Theres alot of personal feelings on this one. Not that its cool to shit on Goff, but there are deep rooted emotional ties here.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

All we had was hope. We hoped that we would have our long term, locally grown, home town hero QB. And we hoped really, REALLY well, didnt we?

“Hope is a dangerous thing”

if only I was smart enough to post “Red’s” pic from Shawshank Redemption I could have nailed this, lol

 

[Ram65]

What was the question?

I wish Goff the best. I'll check to see how he is doing with the Lions.

Very happy the Rams now have Stafford as their quarterback.

Not much else to say anymore.

 

[Loyal]

What was the question?

I wish Goff the best. I'll check to see how he is doing with the Lions.

Very happy the Rams now have Stafford as their quarterback.

Not much else to say anymore.

But we’ll continue to say it for another 10 pages....lol

 

[majrleaged]

I love this thread. It's a hot button topic and is way more fun to read and participate in than, you know, politics.

 

[snackdaddy]

10 pages of folks still shitting on Goff? Man, it's time to move on....
I thought this might have been a "good luck JG" kind of thread but silly me

The way I see it, Stafford is the guy now. Goff is no longer a Rams player. I don't support him anymore. But I do wish him well. He took us to places no QB did for the past couple decades. He served us well. Maybe he wasn't elite but they won with him. I'm not gonna actively root for him and follow him. But I will hope he does well enough in Detroit to keep his status as a starting caliber QB.

 

[Tano]

But we’ll continue to say it for another 10 pages....lol

Only 10?

 

[Faceplant]

This thread still has legs?

I'm kicking my legs up on my lazy boy recliner and refuse to add anymore of my high IQ and intellect.

I'll keep away going forward and lurk back when I'm board when the Rams have off days during the rest of training camp.

LOL, hey Mr IQ, it's "bored".

 

[Faceplant]

Hopefully JG gets his groove back. I'll be rooting for him unless it is against the Rams.