The Goff watch thread

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OC--LeftCoast said:
So accountability is not an issue with you, that’s alright, I saw you had your 49th the other day, congrats, that being said, we’re a generation apart.

Accountability is everything thing to me so I going to have to disagree here, lol, there’s a reason I suppose social networking can’t wait for us boomers to just go away

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I think it's unfair to believe that Goff is gonna tear up the Packer's division this year. Increasing the win total from last year would be an accomplishment. Eight wins would be a massive turnaround for Jared and the Lions. Stafford has more to work with and will probably get more wins than last year's Rams. I think you have a high hurdle to overcome and that's not a slight to JG.
 
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Actually his sis is hot too...

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Loyal said:
I think it's unfair to believe that Goff is gonna tear up the Packer's division this year. Increasing the win total from last year would be an accomplishment. Eight wins would be a massive turnaround for Jared and the Lions. Stafford has more to work with and will probably get more wins than last year's Rams. I think you have a high hurdle to overcome and that's not a slight to JG.
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All I m saying is Detroit is doing their very best to set JG up to succeed, their OLine barring Penei Sewell isnt GRob or JS fiasco, is solid, TE solid, RB solid, WR big question mark, I think they’ll be Top15 offense or better

D is another issue

Im fully aware of what I’m pontificating Mr Katmandu lol
 
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OC--LeftCoast said:
So accountability is not an issue with you, that’s alright, I saw you had your 49th the other day, congrats, that being said, we’re a generation apart.

Accountability is everything thing to me so I going to have to disagree here, lol, there’s a reason I suppose social networking can’t wait for us boomers to just go away

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Accountability? For an opinion on a forum? I'm not taking myself that seriously. I'm not running from any of my opinions, but also not worried about winning or losing any stupid internet argument, lol....
but that's just lil ol Gen X me....

Sorry if I sound spicy. You are a great member of this board. We just have slightly different views on this subject, which is just fine. Peace.
 
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Faceplant said:
Accountability? For an opinion on a forum? I'm not taking myself that seriously. I'm not running from any of my opinions, but also not worried about winning or losing any stupid internet argument, lol....
but that's just lil ol Gen X me....

Sorry if I sound spicy. You are a great member of this board. We just have slightly different views on this subject, which is just fine. Peace
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Lol, you may have a point

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Merlin said:
No offense here OC but that's a silly bet. Chances are Goff is gonna struggle this year. No OL affords such protections that a defense can load up the box and disregard the pass and they'll hold up. Bottom line is he's got no real weapons to throw to and he's gonna struggle for that reason.

Teams gonna load it up on him bad in 2021. Kind of feel for the guy, because aside from all of these conversations and arguments I do think he's a great teammate and all that.

www.mlive.com

Day 3 notes and observations: Lions QB Jared Goff still trying to get the deep ball going

Goff has relied on a heavy dose of short passes during the early days of camp.
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Probably. But Anthony Lynn can really scheme up a running game. Hockenson is a Pro Bowl TE. Swift can be a real game-changer as a receiving HB. And they have a super talented OL on paper. The problem for them is that the WR group is a complete question mark. Tyrell Williams has provided very good play as a #2. Perriman has shown flashes. Both are vertical WRs, though. St. Brown is a very polished and gifted WR, but he's also a rookie.

So it's possible they surprise just by having the right guys in the right roles. That being Williams and Perriman as vertical threats off of play action and Swift, Hockenson, and St. Brown working the more high-percentage throws. But it is a much less talented WR group on paper. That's undeniable.
 
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iamme33 said:
at the time warner was fumbling almost every time he was hit. i still think we would have kept him if his wife didn't get involved. bulger could have held down the fort untill warner learned to use a glove. dam that woman
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Lets face it, Mike Martz had become paranoid and reactive after the SB was cheated away from him. Your either with me or against me. And he over reacted to everything. He became a huge problem. Talk about ego. Horrible head coach.
 
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Tano said:
So says you.

Sheesh.

You can give all the statistics you want but Goff played good to extremely good for 11 games last year.

He had two terrible games - Miami and SF - two pretty bad games SF even though they should have won that game and the giants (still a win is a win) and one really horrible play against Seattle (although I did a game summary of the first half of that game and he made the right call on almost every play in that first half).

The other games he either played good (Dallas, Seattle, NE, Jets - yes the Jets - Blythe was horrible in that game) or played extremely well (Washington, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay, Buffalo, Arizona, Chicago, and Green Bay).

I am not counting the broken thumb game in the playoffs against Seattle. He was not ready yet and his passes showed in that game.
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I'd challenge Dallas, NE, Jets, and Tampa. IMO he played average to below average in all those games.

See, we went 3-1 in those five games. During the season it TRIGGERED people when he was criticized for those games.

If you go back and watch every throw from a neutral perspective, you can't say he was "good" in any of those games except Tampa. And the problem with the Tampa game for me is the two awful INTs that turned what should have been a blowout into a nail biter. And a ton of his yards were YAC gained by Woods and Kupp.

Dallas he was the definition of "meh". NE he was outright bad even though we won by 21 points. Terrible INT and was inaccurate.

Even though Blythe was awful against the Jets, Goff was too. Both those things can be true. We have another inexcusable INT there.

The worst part of the Goff saga last year was that those of us who truly felt unbiased - that is, we thought Goff was great in 2017 and 2018 - got a lot of flack for criticizing his play in games that we won. If a WR drops 7 passes in a game but we win, the forum does not rush to defend him. And just because the team won, I wouldn't want to be that WR when the coaches review film of that game.

Here's another problem - he wasn't necessarily bad in all those games. He definitely wasn't bad against Tampa (good offset by the bar INTs to be an average performance to me, same with Dallas). But I expect him to be better than that. The only games where he met my expectations - and I'd guess McVay would be even tougher to please because he has high standards - would be Washington, Buffalo, Arizona, Seattle (first), Philly, Green Bay, Chicago
 
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FrantikRam said:
I'd challenge Dallas, NE, Jets, and Tampa. IMO he played average to below average in all those games.

See, we went 3-1 in those five games. During the season it TRIGGERED people when he was criticized for those games.

If you go back and watch every throw from a neutral perspective, you can't say he was "good" in any of those games except Tampa. And the problem with the Tampa game for me is the two awful INTs that turned what should have been a blowout into a nail biter. And a ton of his yards were YAC gained by Woods and Kupp.

Dallas he was the definition of "meh". NE he was outright bad even though we won by 21 points. Terrible INT and was inaccurate.

Even though Blythe was awful against the Jets, Goff was too. Both those things can be true. We have another inexcusable INT there.

The worst part of the Goff saga last year was that those of us who truly felt unbiased - that is, we thought Goff was great in 2017 and 2018 - got a lot of flack for criticizing his play in games that we won. If a WR drops 7 passes in a game but we win, the forum does not rush to defend him. And just because the team won, I wouldn't want to be that WR when the coaches review film of that game.

Here's another problem - he wasn't necessarily bad in all those games. He definitely wasn't bad against Tampa (good offset by the bar INTs to be an average performance to me, same with Dallas). But I expect him to be better than that. The only games where he met my expectations - and I'd guess McVay would be even tougher to please because he has high standards - would be Washington, Buffalo, Arizona, Seattle (first), Philly, Green Bay, Chicago
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My take: Very good against Tampa, meh against Dallas, sucked against NE, and pretty poor against the Jets. I'm not going to defend Goff's 2020 season. He wasn't good. I do appreciate that he understood his role in the playoffs and didn't make the bad plays to hurt the team, even with his hand injury.

I will, however, say that his 2019 season was vastly underrated (because of McVay's red-zone play-calling). He carried the team that year, and we would have won 10 games and made the playoffs if Zuerlein had hit the GW FG against Seattle.
 
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jrry32 said:
My take: Very good against Tampa, meh against Dallas, sucked against NE, and pretty poor against the Jets. I'm not going to defend Goff's 2020 season. He wasn't good. I do appreciate that he understood his role in the playoffs and didn't make the bad plays to hurt the team, even with his hand injury.

I will, however, say that his 2019 season was vastly underrated (because of McVay's red-zone play-calling). He carried the team that year, and we would have won 10 games and made the playoffs if Zuerlein had hit the GW FG against Seattle.
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I agree with most of this. One reason why 2020 hit me so hard is because I went back and gave Goff passing TDs relative to yardage and you could make a case that 2019 was right there with 2018. More turnovers but he would have had similar TDs and with the OL and Cooks injuries, super impressive.

So I thought we would see more of the same or some progression.

And - we've seen a smattering of 2020 games in the previous three years, which I think is why McVay didn't give him more rope. Although given his age, I still think something happened that neither side is telling the media/public.
 
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I agree with most of this. One reason why 2020 hit me so hard is because I went back and gave Goff passing TDs relative to yardage and you could make a case that 2019 was right there with 2018. More turnovers but he would have had similar TDs and with the OL and Cooks injuries, super impressive.

So I thought we would see more of the same or some progression.

And - we've seen a smattering of 2020 games in the previous three years, which I think is why McVay didn't give him more rope. Although given his age, I still think something happened that neither side is telling the media/public.
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Agreed. He went from a net positive in the previous three years under McVay (even if he did have games where he was a liability) to a guy who was dragging the team down in 2020. I don't know what caused it. And it wasn't like he was consistently terrible throughout 2020. He was definitely a net positive over the first 7 games.

Problem is that he was a total liability over the final 8 games. That Miami game is where everything fell apart. Maybe that's when he and McVay had their falling out. I don't know.
 
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