The Goff watch thread

[Tano]

I honestly cannot say that I have seen ANY hating on Goff on this board. Maybe in the GDTs?? Dunno because I don't visit those often.

Well there are a few that hated Goff from what I read from their comments. Maybe I read them incorrectly but there are a few that made comments that really made me believe they hated Goff. I won't name any names because I really don't want to get on anybody's bad side because we are Ram fans first and foremost and even though we may disagree on players, I am all in on the Rams.

 

[Tano]

Brady overcame imperfect Oline. Mahomes did too for most of the season. I’m not talking about a Super Bowl, just regular season games. Lots of QBs have imperfect Oline, most in fact.

And it is not Goff hate. Most of these discussions arise from fans disputing the need for a better QB. Said Goff had no worts. It’s full denial if they choose to ignore the problems he had. I don’t hate the kid. I’m happy the Rams found an upgrade and also don’t think his problems will be overcome to the point that Rams fans will rue the trade for years to come. But we keep seeing fans try to make it seem like there wasn’t a need for the trade.

Brady only overcame imperfect o-lines because the Patriots cheated and he knew what schemes the defense would be in.

 

[Corbin]

It really amazes me those that couldn’t see the issues with Goff and his regression and in ability to adapt for the past several years, calling one a Goff hater etc while not acknowledging the horrendous play by him.

They are obsessed with the top 5 top 10, and top 15 QB concepts and with the lack of acknowledgment that Goff got before his regression to create a nonsensical argument.


People dig in now with a viewpoint and won’t change even with glaring evidence presented, this is our society now.

The facts are Goff regressed and his lack of work ethic, intensity, and being committed forced part of the issue.

The other part of this equation is McVay and failure to adjusting to defenses wrecking his concepts and not adjusting to them.

Glad we have Stafford and it’s not even comparable between the two QB’s skill level wise.

 

[PARAM]

The facts are Goff regressed and his lack of work ethic, intensity, and being committed forced part of the issue.

I hear ya!!!

What amazes me is the way some things, speculated in the media or social media, can be excepted for "facts" and repeated as FACT.

That is our society now. Like some relying on Facebook as their major source of news. Such is life when streaming and apps are the primary source of entertainment and news or best of all, podcasts.

Like you I'm glad we have an experienced QB like Stafford under center. Can't wait to see what McVay does with him.

 

[Loyal]

Last I heard, McVay wasn't the GM. Why is he being blamed for perceived personnel issues?

McVay isn't perfect, but he's the closest we've had in my long lifetime (49 yesterday bitches!).

Young-uns, I tell ya...

 

[Loyal]

I know one thing for sure. Goff would be roasted on here for that Ramsey pick 6 yesterday during redone drills.

Of course not. Goff got picked in other training camps and it was just a shrug your shoulder, moment. We have great defense and the best CB in the NFL.

 

[Loyal]

Yes sir train...

The Bulger/Warner merry-go-round took a decade before it went away.



View: https://giphy.com/gifs/dead-horse-beat-a-thi-sthread-7XoTE46IZsSY0GVlxZ

Well, we should never had dumped Warner. Hey trainer, how about trying a glove on for Capt Kurt instead of Arizona?

 

[Loyal]

Yes sir train...

The Bulger/Warner merry-go-round took a decade before it went away.



View: https://giphy.com/gifs/dead-horse-beat-a-thi-sthread-7XoTE46IZsSY0GVlxZ

 

[jrry32]

Sure is a lot of hyperbole being thrown around here. I haven't seen really anyone saying things like Jared sucked or that he had no "worts". I read this back and forth and just shake my head. Can we not see a reason the Rams moved on without it turning into meaning Jared sucks? Can we not lament the moving on without it meaning the person thinks Jared is without faults? It's kinda mind boggling really.

What I mostly see is people acknowledging that Jared had shortcomings and most feeling like Stafford upgrades the position. It seems mostly that those who don't like the trade, think maybe we gave up too early and/or gave up too much for Stafford. Those that like the trade seem to simply think Stafford gives us a better - maybe even a much better chance at winning a SB.

I just don't see the extreme positions some are using to identify those on the other side of their argument. Personally, I think that kind of hyperbole only weakens your position.

Great post.

 

[FarNorth]

Last I heard, McVay wasn't the GM. Why is he being blamed for perceived personnel issues?

McVay isn't perfect, but he's the closest we've had in my long lifetime (49 yesterday bitches!).

Hmm... While I'm sure Snead and McVay are a partnership, personally I think McVay in effect does have control over personnel. Certainly in terms of priorities for positions or offense vs defense.

In any event, forget about who's in control or who's to blame, including the coach or former qb. Nevertheless imo the Ram' offense in 2019 and 2020 lacked key offensive personnel and was not nearly as good a roster as in 2017 and 2018.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Really? That statement is as inaccurate as "fans just call criticizm hate". Who here....or anywhere.....has said Goff had no worts? The problem with the Goff discussion is there are very few fans "in the middle".....acknowledging his worts and believed he could overcome them BUT are happy with the acquisition of Stafford....and the rest are one end or the other......either "they shouldn't have traded him, he got us to the Superbowl" on one side and "they'll never win a Superbowl with him" on the other.

I haven't seen anybody stating he had no worts.

There is no reason to restate what all the anti-trade crowd constantly says. Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl. Nobody pounds the table for him. Same with Flacco. They were team wins more so than them carrying the team.

Goff is no longer our QB. He had some good games and some bad ones. What matters most is what he’s done in the last two years when he clearly looks to have regressed. That is what got him traded. Why not bring up his time with Fisher if the past matters so much? He is a five year veteran after all.
NFL is called ‘Not For Long’ for good reason. Teams are, or should constantly be trying to improve.

I don’t hate any former Rams players but I can be critical of there play. The bottom line is that if Goff was accomplishing everything that McVay wanted him to then he’d still be here. There is no way to candy coat it despite past accomplishments.

 

[sloramfan]

ouch!!

i think we need to start a new thread on "GOLF", and all of his "WORTS"

shit, i wish all threads had this much humor... lol

go ROD..

go rams

slo

 

[Tano]

People dig in now with a viewpoint and won’t change even with glaring evidence presented, this is our society now.

So says you.

Sheesh.

You can give all the statistics you want but Goff played good to extremely good for 11 games last year.

He had two terrible games - Miami and SF - two pretty bad games SF even though they should have won that game and the giants (still a win is a win) and one really horrible play against Seattle (although I did a game summary of the first half of that game and he made the right call on almost every play in that first half).

The other games he either played good (Dallas, Seattle, NE, Jets - yes the Jets - Blythe was horrible in that game) or played extremely well (Washington, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay, Buffalo, Arizona, Chicago, and Green Bay).

I am not counting the broken thumb game in the playoffs against Seattle. He was not ready yet and his passes showed in that game.

 

[Tano]

Sorry I just hate 100% statements that Corbin made about people making up their mind despite evidence to the contrary.

I have reviewed his play and believe he could have gotten better. Will he, I really don't know now because Detroit is a shit hole of a team.

200-1 odds and they don't have a Bruce Holt Pace Faulk on that team.

Note - 1999 Rams were 200-1 at Vegas

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Sorry I just hate 100% statements that Corbin made about people making up their mind despite evidence to the contrary.

I have reviewed his play and believe he could have gotten better. Will he, I really don't know now because Detroit is a shit hole of a team.

200-1 odds and they don't have a Bruce Holt Pace Faulk on that team.

Note - 1999 Rams were 200-1 at Vegas

Already making excuses for Goff’s future play.

 

[OldSchool]

Realistically, we're still in a very dead period of the football season. So any video that involves Stafford will be posted. I'd imagine that once we get to see him in action then there'll be nothing to talk about. Until the end of the season when everybody inevitably compares goff's year to Stafford's year because, again, will be in a dead period Lol

How very optimistic of you

But yes the Bradford threads did die down eventually and we almost never hear of Tye Hill, Alex Barron, Donnie Avery, Mardy Gilyard, Brian Quick, Greg Robinson, Jason Smith etc etc etc. And none of them were QB's that took us to the Super Bowl

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

So says you.

Sheesh.

You can give all the statistics you want but Goff played good to extremely good for 11 games last year.

He had two terrible games - Miami and SF - two pretty bad games SF even though they should have won that game and the giants (still a win is a win) and one really horrible play against Seattle (although I did a game summary of the first half of that game and he made the right call on almost every play in that first half).

The other games he either played good (Dallas, Seattle, NE, Jets - yes the Jets - Blythe was horrible in that game) or played extremely well (Washington, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay, Buffalo, Arizona, Chicago, and Green Bay).

I am not counting the broken thumb game in the playoffs against Seattle. He was not ready yet and his passes showed in that game.

Apparently McVay disagrees with you. How much do you know about what McVay wanted from Goff and what he got? From what we’ve been told Jared did not meet expectations and McVay purposely scaled back the offense to make it easier for Goff to execute. So is playing well in that case and in some games an amazing accomplishment? You can think Jared was doing great with what he was given to do but you cannot know how much more was expected of him. So evaluating good/bad is pointless and it’s not likely the coach would agree with your evals.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

ouch!!

i think we need to start a new thread on "GOLF", and all of his "WORTS"

shit, i wish all threads had this much humor... lol

go ROD..

go rams

slo

Isn’t that what this thread evolved into already? No need to add another.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

It really amazes me those that couldn’t see the issues with Goff and his regression and in ability to adapt for the past several years, calling one a Goff hater etc while not acknowledging the horrendous play by him.

They are obsessed with the top 5 top 10, and top 15 QB concepts and with the lack of acknowledgment that Goff got before his regression to create a nonsensical argument.


People dig in now with a viewpoint and won’t change even with glaring evidence presented, this is our society now.

The facts are Goff regressed and his lack of work ethic, intensity, and being committed forced part of the issue.

The other part of this equation is McVay and failure to adjusting to defenses wrecking his concepts and not adjusting to them.

Glad we have Stafford and it’s not even comparable between the two QB’s skill level wise.

Since I gave a very very rare negative rating (I think that may be my first actually) to your post I’ll give the courtesy of a brief curt reply

1) I don’t believe a 24-26 yr old NFL QB “regresses” if you’re as smart as you think you are, I’d consider A deep dive into what exactly has changed after the rousing MNF win vs KC in 2018 and the ensuing “beginning of the regress” coming off a bye ho hum win at Detroit

2) The hell does your second paragraph even mean, not even joking, just pure baloney sausage

3) Not digging in, I just don’t (to put it politely) agree with your “facts” which segways into your 4th paragraph

Is Stafford an upgrade over Goff at this moment?

Of course I believe that’s probably true, how can it not be?

Goff is getting set up in Detroit to succeed, he has Holmes, he has a stud Center decent LT and maybe the next Anthony Munoz at RT, and 2 decent guards, two good to possibly very good RBs, not much at WR but I’ll spot you that

Dude has a good year and I’ll let you and your fellow experts know about it, and...if he indeed sux, then I’ll bow my head in shame and create a thread indicating I was wrong

Fair enough?

There is really no need to take this any further

 

[Merlin]

You can give all the statistics you want but Goff played good to extremely good for 11 games last year.

Hello Mrs. Goff yes we still support your son and yes we'll take some home baked cookies for our football discussion this year.