The Goff Thread
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I was really bummed when the Cards scored that miracle, but I was happy for you. You're a classy fan bro, cheers
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Well first, pro bowl is a pretty bad go by.
If we're trying to say that Goff's supporting cast isn't good, then we made huge mistakes paying Woods, Kupp and Higbee, drafting VJ and Akers, and Henderson.
There are only a few QBs with better weapons than Goff.
You underestimate how many good skill players are in this league.
Seattle has Lockett, Metcalf, solid group of TE's, and when their backs are healthy a good group of RB's, yet no one mentions their skull guys as being a great group.
Murray has Hopkins, Fitz, Kirk, and Kenyon Drake. Again a very good group.
Mahomes has the best skill group in the league, but no o e mentions that when talking about Mahomes, as they shouldn't
You can say the Rams have no dynamic players that can score on one play from 60 yards out as others do.
The one glaring weakness is, if you bring pressure he looks terrible. They need to work on that. May be they do. Blitz goff you might get points. Otherwise he didn't stink up the joint Sunday.
Chiefs - clearly better
Seahawks - our RBs and TEs are MUCH better, WR group is deeper - Metcalf is better than Kupp and Woods, but Lockett? Nah. Rams are better overall.
Cardinals - Hopkins is better, but the others? Nah - this one is close to even, but I'd still go Rams
Falcons - Julio and Ridley both better, their TE group is decent, our RBs better, but I'd give the edge to ATL
Titans - probably better
Steelers - might be better, toss up
Bucs - better
Saints - better
Vikings - better
That's only 5 that are for sure better, so I guess top 10 would be more apt. Either way, we have a good group of skill players.
Thats the case with all QB, not sure why it seems that many want to isolate Goff. The issue Goff has which others dont, is the scheme has many late developing routes
For me, and this is really Goff's only weakness, it just feels like an automatic incompletion or INT when a defender gets to within a yard or so of him. But you make a good point - don't really know if there are check downs there for him or not.
Can we get real when it comes to Goff folks???
He played pretty exceptional yesterday and that's what I called for in the game thread because his last three games had been lackluster.
There are 4 things Goff simply has to improve on:
1. Feeling pressure around him.
2. Stop locking on two his primary receiver.
3. Reading defenses.
4. Incorporating his mobility into his game.
The first two above are what causes his TOs. Just like last night when the Rams were about to blow the game open and he got strip sacked. Fortunately the defense got that TO right back...but Goff was so locked on to his WR, that the "clock in his head" stopped ticking. He had no clue where the pressure was.
On 3 above...It takes McVay and Goff to improve there. I feel McVay is hurting Goff's improving on 3 because Goff doesn't have enough liberty to change plays at the LOS which leads to the Rams timeout issues also. McVay needs to give Goff liberty to audible...even to the point where he completely changes the play. I could be wrong...but I don't think Goff has that liberty.
On 4 above...no one is asking Goff to be Wilson or Rodgers, but to be willing to leave the pocket enough to where defenses know that Goff will scrambled. He's mobile enough to where his mobility will help Ram WRs.
He played pretty exceptional yesterday and that's what I called for in the game thread because his last three games had been lackluster.
There are 4 things Goff simply has to improve on:
1. Feeling pressure around him.
2. Stop locking on two his primary receiver.
3. Reading defenses.
4. Incorporating his mobility into his game.
The first two above are what causes his TOs. Just like last night when the Rams were about to blow the game open and he got strip sacked. Fortunately the defense got that TO right back...but Goff was so locked on to his WR, that the "clock in his head" stopped ticking. He had no clue where the pressure was.
On 3 above...It takes McVay and Goff to improve there. I feel McVay is hurting Goff's improving on 3 because Goff doesn't have enough liberty to change plays at the LOS which leads to the Rams timeout issues also. McVay needs to give Goff liberty to audible...even to the point where he completely changes the play. I could be wrong...but I don't think Goff has that liberty.
On 4 above...no one is asking Goff to be Wilson or Rodgers, but to be willing to leave the pocket enough to where defenses know that Goff will scrambled. He's mobile enough to where his mobility will help Ram WRs.
nighttrain
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I've seen Goff go thru multiple reads many times, going to his third receiver lots
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Goff on the year has 11 turnovers and people nationally talk about how he’s bad with the bad. He needs to protect it and be better against pressure. Wilson has 12 turnovers and has been sacked more than twice as much.
Im not saying Jared is better but when you look at stats these narratives become funny.
Im not saying Jared is better but when you look at stats these narratives become funny.
Way more than "a few" like another poster has said you're underestimating the skill position players around the league. Woods/kupp are not even top 10. Goff is also the only 1st round pick on offense.
Granted we traded away all of them since drafting him but I noticed that too. With Cooks gone there aren’t any that we traded for or signed as a free agent. And he won’t get on the year either unless its a free agent or a crazy trade up.
I agree. But the notion that goff is surrounded by top tier talent is simply not true is what I'm getting at. I love the rams receivers but they can't separate consistently in man coverage. The only one that could was cooks but he was undersized and has head issues which was a real bummer.
If you believe what you said above, then you have to think that paying them each $16 million was a huge, huge, huge, huge mistake. Which, btw, I'm fine with - but I don't want to hear anyone saying "glad we paid them" and "our WRs aren't good enough".
Not saying they're not good enough. Just saying they're not top tier. The myth that goff is surrounded by weapons is simply not the truth. Not one of the guys around him other than whit are top 10 at there position.
Agreed. Rams have two top-notch possession wideouts in Kupp and Woody. They have a plus TE in Higbee. And the two young backs are still settling in a bit not to mention have been dinged up. So I think it's fair to say we don't have a special collection of talent on offense. We have a good collection of talent I think is the fairest way to put it.
We don't have anyone of Hopkins' or Metcalf's status. Those two guys are elite. And the quality of the tools does matter and IMO are part of the reason for Goff's performance being so mediocre this year.
And I don't absolve Goff either. He's one of the best pure passers when he's got a clean pocket. Not so good when he doesn't. I hated the Matty Ice comps of yesteryear when he came out, but have to admit they were fair now looking back. But the good thing is Goff's the type of guy who can do the job when you get things right around him. That's better than what a lot of other teams have and he does fit this scheme really nicely.
But anyway. I was talking with a buddy of mine the other day about Gurley and how losing him affected us not just last year but still to this day and really what it comes down to is we lost an elite offensive player and the offense has not been the same since. It really comes down to that IMO. We're now more of a conventional type team with a balanced offense and strong defense.
Having an elite receiver can make a QB. Look at Culpeper for the Vikings. When he had Randy Moss everyone thought he was a top QB, but all he did was throw 50 50 balls up for Moss to catch. Once Moss was gone Culpeper was never any good. Look how Hopkins has affected both Houston, being gone, and Arizona. I guarantee Murry wouldn't be trending like this without him. To always have a guy you know will be open and will bring down the 50 50 balls is priceless.
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